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[NoxJuked]

Someone has to fight the hate, too much hate on Origin when it's fine. Just because Bioware planned their DLC and worked hard on it to push it out on day 1 then people rage at them when they don't know why the DLC is coming out so early. The past two games we have gotten amazing games, and free + some of the best DLC in gaming ever.

[Genshie]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Genshie wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

235 pages. I hope this backfires on sales as well and they rethink the decision on something like that for future releases.

It won't. The only people that this has bugged are the loyal fans. This will not affect the sales of casuals or anyone who doesn't diliberatly search for information on ME3. That is why I think TB's boycott is both pointless and dumb. You shouldn't be boycotting a game you should be boycotting the method and market by not buying the dlc itself. Also it doesn't help that alot of responses from his video were people saying they were going to pirate the game. He is only fueling the fire nothing else.

How the hell TB's boycott is pointless and dumb? He doesn't support the way the game's content is being sold and won't buy any of it, it's that simple. He is a fan of the series, but will boycott ME3 because he doesn't approve what EA/Bioware are doing with the franchise. How is this dumb?

He didn't fuel any fire, he made a rant about something that he considers an issue. He expressed himself like we are doing here. The difference is that he made that on his public youtube videos.

His so called "fans" due to this video alone have said several times over, "Your right TB F**(] Bioware and EA. I am going to pirate this ****." So you think a person shouldn't be held responsible for what people may do cause someone influentional told them too? Alot of people have been charged in the past for crimes commited by others due to these influential people saying things that influenced other people's actions.

Modifié par Genshie, 24 février 2012 - 03:19 .

[Aimi]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I understand that and I assumed that it was implied in what Yuoaman was saying.

[Yuoaman]

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

[PSUHammer]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...
So what they say is absolute because you say so.Do you walk around life so blindly or is it only when your a fan of a certain video game.So with your logic every company is 100 percent honest all the time even though they are trying to sell you a product.

Why would a company that produces entertainment media and relies on fans good will to buy said media, lie to those very fans?  Wouldn't that totally go against everything they were trying to do?  What would they have to gain from doing that?  Do they have a history of said practice?  Can you prove they are lying?  Are they guilty until proven innocent, in your eyes?

Your opinions are based on speculation and conspiracy theories with very little facts or basis in reality.

Only a fool takes a salesman on his word. 

there is taking everything the developer's say with a grain of salt and then there is shoving your fingers in your ears and shouting "U LIE" like a mantra.

True...and, not every salesman is corrupt.  I worked in corporate sales, in a previous life, and my main job was to make sure I was providing my clients exactly what they needed.  Nothing more.

[foo man chew]

Hammer6767 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Genshie wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

235 pages. I hope this backfires on sales as well and they rethink the decision on something like that for future releases.

It won't. The only people that this has bugged are the loyal fans. This will not affect the sales of casuals or anyone who doesn't diliberatly search for information on ME3. That is why I think TB's boycott is both pointless and dumb. You shouldn't be boycotting a game you should be boycotting the method and market by not buying the dlc itself. Also it doesn't help that alot of responses from his video were people saying they were going to pirate the game. He is only fueling the fire nothing else.

The loyal fans are also equally divided as well.

I am a long time fan that wouldn't be afraid to legitimately call them out on somthing that was BS, but I find this whole day 1 DLC moanfest just that.

And as youve stated your opinion should be everybody elses too.Or its whining or a moanfest or people just must feel entitled.Your opion is right and everyone else who dissagrees is wrong.

No, I accept other's viewpoints but I expect them to be able to logically back them up and not resort to namecalling.  If that is the case, then yes, you are wrong.

All i can say is if your hapy how this dlc is being done thats great im glad for you.But im not and thats my right as a consumer,So maybe we can agree to disagree.

[implodinggoat]

Michael Gamble wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

 

I assume that since "From Ashes" is bundled with the CE that people who purchased the CE will also get the additional appearance for each squaddie and the new weapon?

If not that would be hella lame.

[ArkkAngel007]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

I know I wasn't referring to you and plenty others who have made that clear.  But there are still many who continue to go on about misinfromation, which does more harm then good when we're trying to make a case to BioWare on this.

[jgordon11]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

I honestly don't even know what your argument is.  From what I can gather you're saying that all DLC are morally wrong because its depriving the gamers of something if they don't pay additional money?...

[PSUHammer]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

That doesn't make any sense.  Why should the artists, writers, animators, etc., who worked on his piece do so for free?  If you wanted to argue that the content wasn't worth $10, then I would be right there with you (once I played it to see).  I didn't think Kasumi was worth it, either.  But, to demand content be free is ridiculous.

The crux of this whole argument, so far, seems to be people feel that the content should be free of charge for everyone, well, just because!  That makes no sense.

If I were Bioware, I would not even offer him up as purchaseable and just allow the people who bought the CE and DDE versions have him.

[Genshie]

implodinggoat wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

 

I assume that since "From Ashes" is bundled with the CE that people who purchased the CE will also get the additional appearance for each squaddie and the new weapon?

If not that would be hella lame.

Don't worry CE people are literally getting everything. I actually have to purchase the dlc for my xbox 360 since I am only getting the SE for that system while I am getting CE for PS3.

[PSUHammer]

foo man chew wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
No, I accept other's viewpoints but I expect them to be able to logically back them up and not resort to namecalling.  If that is the case, then yes, you are wrong.

All i can say is if your hapy how this dlc is being done thats great im glad for you.But im not and thats my right as a consumer,So maybe we can agree to disagree.

Then we agree.

[RiouHotaru]

...Amazing that Reddit can have a corgial and rational conversation with a Bioware rep, while we just argue and complain and scoff and roll our eyes and put on our tin hats and *drones on and on and on...*

[Heimdall]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

He was planned, then removed, then they decided they could include him in other content.

Gamers have a right to get what they pay for.  When they pay for Mass Effect 3, they will get Mass Effect 3.  When they pay for Prothean bonus content, they will get Prothean bonus content.  Because the Prothean is bonus content.  Gamers that decide not to buy the Prothean DLC have only themselves to blame.  To be deprived of something, as you seem to be using it, would imply they had a right to it in the first place.  They do not.  There is no reason they should get extras for free.

[rainasa]

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

pretty sure his repsonse was just in general and not directed at you.

I peronaly disagree with how they handled this situation (i.e. incuding it in the CE, releasing it on day one instead of waiting a month so their wouldnt be as much tears, and choosing to offically announce the DLC less then two damn weeks before lauch) but at the same time i believe they have every right to do so and understand why they did it.

[_symphony]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Amazing that Reddit can have a corgial and rational conversation with a Bioware rep, while we just argue and complain and scoff and roll our eyes and put on our tin hats and *drones on and on and on...*

you know... I was thinking the same thing.

[Madkipz]

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

[Heimdall]

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

[DJBare]

OdanUrr wrote...

I don't understand, if he says he won't be purchasing ME3, why should he? I don't recall him saying ME3 would be an incomplete experience without it.

He makes no mention of it being an incomplete game, he implies it, and that's what people have latched onto it.

"To forcing you to purchase something which is vitaly important"

Why is it vitally important?, it's a deep lore mechanic I agree, but in no way is it vitally important to the overall game, by saying it's vitally important he is suggesting the game is incomplete without it, this is what I mean about choosing your words carefully.

Modifié par DJBare, 24 février 2012 - 03:34 .

[rainasa]

Lord Aesir wrote...


He was planned, then removed, then they decided they could include him in other content.

Gamers have a right to get what they pay for.  When they pay for Mass Effect 3, they will get Mass Effect 3.  When they pay for Prothean bonus content, they will get Prothean bonus content.  Because the Prothean is bonus content.  Gamers that decide not to buy the Prothean DLC have only themselves to blame.  To be deprived of something, as you seem to be using it, would imply they had a right to it in the first place.  They do not.  There is no reason they should get extras for free.

I agree completely, i would be much more sympathetic if almost all the lore he provides would be exclusive to the dlc, but it has already been confrimed that it won't be.

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in
the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to
all who buy the game new as shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

I think i should go back through my posts too see how many times i've had to say this today alone....

shale and the ceberus network where not "free" in the way you are thinking. it was a marketing ploy by bioware to get people to continue to buy the game new instead of a used copy, for ME3 the multiplayer code takes that place, so they put the squadmember in with the CE and are selling him as day one DLC

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 03:37 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Genshie wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Genshie wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

235 pages. I hope this backfires on sales as well and they rethink the decision on something like that for future releases.

It won't. The only people that this has bugged are the loyal fans. This will not affect the sales of casuals or anyone who doesn't diliberatly search for information on ME3. That is why I think TB's boycott is both pointless and dumb. You shouldn't be boycotting a game you should be boycotting the method and market by not buying the dlc itself. Also it doesn't help that alot of responses from his video were people saying they were going to pirate the game. He is only fueling the fire nothing else.

How the hell TB's boycott is pointless and dumb? He doesn't support the way the game's content is being sold and won't buy any of it, it's that simple. He is a fan of the series, but will boycott ME3 because he doesn't approve what EA/Bioware are doing with the franchise. How is this dumb?

He didn't fuel any fire, he made a rant about something that he considers an issue. He expressed himself like we are doing here. The difference is that he made that on his public youtube videos.

His so called "fans" due to this video alone have said several times over, "Your right TB F**(] Bioware and EA. I am going to pirate this ****." So you think a person shouldn't be held responsible for what people may do cause someone influentional told them too? Alot of people have been charged in the past for crimes commited by others due to these influential people saying things that influenced other people's actions.

What kind of twisted logic is that? Did you watch the same video as I did? Doesn't seem like it.

TotalBiscuit never said offensive words on towards Bioware employess or EA, he didn't raise any kind of flag against them, he didn't tell other people to boycott the game, much less pirate it. No he shouldn't be responsible. Again, wtf?

[Sleek]

If EA can see how unhappy MANY fans and customers are why dont they do stand up thing and just release ALL preorder bonus and DLC for free . CD.P devs of the Witcher can do it certainly a conglomerate like EA/Bio can do it. Answer me that ??? The answer is GREED. Im still pissed that i have to look around for the N7 Valkyerie,N7 Defender Armor but i will get that heheha .

[ArkkAngel007]

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Amazing that Reddit can have a corgial and rational conversation with a Bioware rep, while we just argue and complain and scoff and roll our eyes and put on our tin hats and *drones on and on and on...*

you know... I was thinking the same thing.

Most of Reddit is usually very corgial.  Those that start crap for the sake of only doing so are usually immediately buried.

[Madkipz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

[Heimdall]

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

How so?