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[OdanUrr]

DJBare wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I don't understand, if he says he won't be purchasing ME3, why should he? I don't recall him saying ME3 would be an incomplete experience without it.

He makes no mention of it being an incomplete game, he implies it, and that's what people have latched onto it.

"To forcing you to purchase something which is vitaly important"

Why is it vitally important?, it's a deep lore mechanic I agree, but in no way is it vitally important to the overall game, by saying it's vitally important he is suggesting the game is incomplete without it, this is what I mean about choosing your words carefully.

Just re-watched the vid, you're right.

[Diamond_Ace18]

Can see the both the validity of some arguments here; yet the irrationality of others astounds me. Seriously, complaining about it won't change or justify anything. Point is, it's been said and done who knows how many times.

[rainasa]

Diamond_Ace18 wrote...

Can see the both the validity of some arguments here; yet the irrationality of others astounds me. Seriously, complaining about it won't change or justify anything. Point is, it's been said and done who knows how many times.

yep, at this point, i dont think they even have the time to make additional codes let alone put them in millions of ME3 copies that im willing to bet real money are just about to/have already shipped.

[RiouHotaru]

Huh, this taken from Reddit from the Bioware Rep regarding the Prothean:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

[ArkkAngel007]

Diamond_Ace18 wrote...

Can see the both the validity of some arguments here; yet the irrationality of others astounds me. Seriously, complaining about it won't change or justify anything. Point is, it's been said and done who knows how many times.

Not true.  If everyone can find a common ground like they did with Deception, there could be a change.  But that has to be a common ground without petty infighting and misinformation.

[Zaxs_p]

Here is my opinion on this: I am angry that other people are angry without seeing the game in its entirety. If the game is in someway broken without the DLC then ok lets get angry or if the DLC is some halfarse attempt at getting cash and is dull or uninspired lets get angry. NOT BEFORE WE SEE ANYTHING.

[rainasa]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Huh, this taken from Reddit from the Bioware Rep regarding the Prothean:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

 
which is what I and the rest of the people who read the script have been saying this whole damn thread

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 03:42 .

[BTCentral]

Sleek wrote...

If EA can see how unhappy MANY fans and customers are why dont they do stand up thing and just release ALL preorder bonus and DLC for free . CD.P devs of the Witcher can do it certainly a conglomerate like EA/Bio can do it. Answer me that ??? The answer is GREED.

The fact is though, only some fans are unhappy. I am a fan, I am not unhappy.

Give me a good reason why people should get something for nothing? They have to write the script, pay the voice actor, create the artwork/model, do the programming, etc, etc. - you do realise that all that is not free for BioWare/EA, right?

Sleek wrote...

Im still pissed that i have to look around for the N7 Valkyerie,N7 Defender Armor but i will get that heheha .

You're pissed that the Collector's Edition gets more content than the Standard Edition? Heaven forbid.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 03:43 .

[Mclouvins]

rainasa wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Huh, this taken from Reddit from the Bioware Rep regarding the Prothean:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

 
which is what me and the rest of the people who read the script have been saying this whole damn thread

It doesn't matter, the nay-sayers will simply claim that the statement is a lie, but yes you're right anybody who actually thought things through and did research before making a youtube rant would have seen that.

[ArkkAngel007]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Huh, this taken from Reddit from the Bioware Rep regarding the Prothean:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

Okay and?  There has been plenty of things that don't make it in the end...I can name several of them and you can find them in the Spoiler group if you dig enough if you don't want to go through the scripts.

[TheStoner]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Huh, this taken from Reddit from the Bioware Rep regarding the Prothean:

"However, if it wasn't DLC, it definitely wouldn't have been in the main game. There's other things that didn't fit in the main game that may end up as future DLC."

I very much doubt that. If bioware had no concept of DLC I find it very hard to imagine that they wouldn't of put this character in the main game.

[Yuoaman]

jgordon11 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

I honestly don't even know what your argument is.  From what I can gather you're saying that all DLC are morally wrong because its depriving the gamers of something if they don't pay additional money?...

My argument is that since a freaking live Prothean is such a huge deal considering the lore of the series that it's quite ridiculous to not offer it to all players. I have no problem with DLC in general, just the way this particular DLC is being distributed.

[rainasa]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Diamond_Ace18 wrote...

Can see the both the validity of some arguments here; yet the irrationality of others astounds me. Seriously, complaining about it won't change or justify anything. Point is, it's been said and done who knows how many times.

Not true.  If everyone can find a common ground like they did with Deception, there could be a change.  But that has to be a common ground without petty infighting and misinformation.

they are also completley diffrent issues. Deception was simply an aberration against all ME lore, while this is about the morality of biowares buissness practices in regards to DLC

[Madkipz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as Shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

How so?

Do I have to spell it out? It's the same kind of dlc they have released for free before, and they had time to insert the code into the collectors edition. Ergo they had the chance to reward the average user as before but instead saddled us with 10 dollar dlc.

Only a fool believes the official story.

Modifié par Madkipz, 24 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

So still nobody can tell me why this Prothean is so important...

[wrdnshprd]

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

[LiquidLogic2020]

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Support people boycotting , but in the end I don't think it will have an effect at all.

[DJBare]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

So still nobody can tell me why this Prothean is so important...

He's alive, for some of us, that's important, not critical but still important.

[nitefyre410]

Yuoaman wrote...


My argument is that since a freaking live Prothean is such a huge deal considering the lore of the series that it's quite ridiculous to not offer it to all players. I have no problem with DLC in general, just the way this particular DLC is being distributed.

 

^ this...  some much this.

I felt the same way when Capcom pulled this exactly same  stunt with the MVC 3 Collectors edition and the Jill and Shuma Gorath  DLC even though  they released it a month  later.   It was BS then, it was BS  then  and still BS now.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 03:52 .

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Diamond_Ace18 wrote...

Can see the both the validity of some arguments here; yet the irrationality of others astounds me. Seriously, complaining about it won't change or justify anything. Point is, it's been said and done who knows how many times.

Not true.  If everyone can find a common ground like they did with Deception, there could be a change.  But that has to be a common ground without petty infighting and misinformation.

they are also completley diffrent issues. Deception was simply an aberration against all ME lore, while this is about the morality of biowares buissness practices in regards to DLC

Businesses practices can be changed.  Netflix anyone?  That's a rather recent example, but there are others.

I'm not saying that a change should happen or is possible.  But if those that want a change want to make it happen, then they have to carry themselves a bit better.

[RiouHotaru]

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

But you are getting the full game.  The CE buyers getting the DLC is because it's part of the goodies they get for buying the CE.  Are you honestly saying they should make the CE buyers pay $10 bucks as well, on TOP of of the $20+ they're already paying over retail?

[rainasa]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

[BTCentral]

rainasa wrote...

they are also completley diffrent issues. Deception was simply an aberration against all ME lore, while this is about the morality of biowares buissness practices in regards to DLC

I could be wrong - and this is being nitpicky, so please excuse me/feel free to disregard this altogether - but I suspect it is EA's buisness practice, not BioWare's.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 03:51 .