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[Darji]

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

No people who actually not care much about the story and just want to bang chicks or guys  dont care much about it.

The real fans should care.

[Bluumberry]

Solgineer wrote...
-- because they knew people would want something like a Prothean squadmate.

I dont want a prothean squadmate.

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

It does change your point. Your images are implying that something essential is being left out. It's been said for MONTHS that this is BONUS content for the CE. So, the image of the Mona Lisa missing a piece of her face is wrong. Dead wrong. The Prothean squadmate, if you choose not to buy him, does not keep you or anyone else from achieving the "perfect ending".

Now, unless you can prove that this was cut content on purpose, completed before the game went gold, you're just voicing an opinion, which is being contradicted by the developers. I believe the devs over you.

You failed to read my post I see... Taken in by the image? >D
Anyway, JUST LIKE WITH DEUS EX, BLAMING THE OTHER STUDIO FOR FAILURE DOESN'T FLY.
So according to your argument, day one DLC was developed separately by another developer, therefore, it is alright to sell as separate from the game on release, for the sake of argument, I concede. Well, the last Call of Duty was sold as one package (a package I feel was a ripoff, but that is beside the point). It was made by 3 developers, so, how about we sell MW3 at $60, whatever IW worked at is included in the price, whatever Sledgehammer worked on for another $10, and whatever Treyarch worked on for another $10, so you get MW3 at $80 (all extra DLC included), but if you get the Digital Deluxe edition you pay $90 and it all comes for free!!!
You have to be stupid or a blind fanboy to swallow that one, and that is what you are doing. Stop sucking and face reality. As I said:

This is unchanged, unethical, and unacceptable.

Your arguments are about Activision which yes is a terrible company and only very vaguely related to this issue involving a completely different company.

[Giantdeathrobot]

So, not only is a Prothean character sold as DLC, apparnetly he isin't that important to the plot. A Prothean. Not important to a plot about stopping the Reaper. The thing the Protean spent years ensuring we could do. And people are using this as a defence in favor of BiowEAre, I mean since a friggin Prothean is apparently so unimportant, why do you proles whine about him being cut from the game and sold as launch day DLC?

I think the term BDF and biodrones are abused sometimes. But this is definitely a clear case of those people appearing.

[Sledge454]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Because
thats not where all ME tech comes from it comes from the Reapers,
because there where thousands of civilizationsn before the Protheans
that were also wiped out, because we have already talked to Vigil and
learned what he knew. Because what liara spent her backstory doing isnt
automaticaly releavent or crucial to the plot of the game its backstory,
Garus spent his backstory as C-Sec officer you dont see us roaming
around playing cop on the citadel in the main plot..

Are you saying that a first person perspective from someone who was there during the last purge shouldn't be the default?  We're going to disagree on this because it should.

Commodore Q wrote...

I don't think even Scarlett will derail this thread.

[ironcreed2]

"The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission"

"The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification."

Contradiction much? This should have just been in the game... period.

[Matt VT Schlo]

DLC is the EA way, man

[RiouHotaru]

Dionkey wrote...

]IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

So...even if they have the ability to work on him while working on the main game, but they won't be able to finish in time for certification because they're focusing on the main game...you'd rather they just wait till a month later, rather than work on it then and there since they can allocate the resources?  Again, Stanley's post about DLC development answers all the questions...

[Paragon Auducan]

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

Because it shouldn't be DLC in the first place. The art book and soundtrack alone are worth the $20. It's CE owners who are the self entitled bunch not the standard edition guys and yet I myself ordered the CE.

[Draconis6666]

Coldburn wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

*whispers* The Witcher 2.

Seriosuly, you should play it. Best game in 2011.

And 
CD Projekt RED is actually making waaaaay better RPG's than bioware.. just saying..

This is opinoin I happen to think Witcher II's story sucks and is extremely shallow with no depth at all.

[El Ejcovero]

Tazzmission wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!

Because you shouldn't pat $20 for day one DLC, because IT SHOULD NOT EXIST.

[bennyjammin79]

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

This.

[Iyerbeth]

I'm surprised so many who have pre ordered CE seem to be taking the view that "well I'm getting the full game so what does it matter?"

The thing is, you should also be getting the Prothean character DLC for free, not just being given the whole game in 2 parts and being told it's free DLC. The CE should have another DLC which should be a character not sensitive to the lore of the series.

Whether you're happy with the price, happy you're already getting it with the DLC, or unhappy, you're still being ripped off with this.

[N7Infernox]

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

There are plenty of reasons, that have been mentioned in this thread and the last, that I won't even bother to mention.
What would be nice, though, is if the DLC was $2 for a week or two, and then reverted back to full price. At least then, we wouldn't be as cheated.

[piemanz]

I was initially pissed about this, but now i've had time to think about it, i'm not going to let it ruin ME3 for me. Yes, it sounds important, but we have no idea how important this character really is or if he is indeed the only prothean in the game.

It still doesn't sit right just becasue it's a Prothean but i think theres been an overeaction both on TB's part and here.

[Laids]

Arguably the most important piece of lore content they could ever have in ME3 and they release it as day 1 DLC that is CLEARLY already on the disc.

You should be ashamed, seriously. It's actually embarrassing.

[graciegrace]

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

[Bluumberry]

Darji wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

No people who actually not care much about the story and just want to bang chicks or guys  dont care much about it.

The real fans should care.

You can't define a real fan. But if we're gonna use any definitions, I consider myself a real fan when I love the game despite hating shooters.

Just because I'm willing to spend money on something doesn't make me any less of a fan.

[Elvis_Mazur]

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

This. Some people are too naive.

I see how they are using emotion to make people buy that overpriced DLC: Prothean and Eden Prime? That should be enough to make old fans buy it.

What a low blow...

Modifié par PetrySilva, 23 février 2012 - 12:14 .

[Draconis6666]

cyric085 wrote...

I agree.

couldn't care less if its some random thief, faceless merc or onehit weapons as day 1 DLC, but such an important char and species is unacceptable.

Protheans are the reason we have this whole Mass Effect Series anyway and you really consider to make your supporters and fans pay for their story?

be carefull what you do Bioware or you will end like Westwood.

Really? thats your argument? I think youve managed to take the "OMG ITS A PROTHEAN" argument and make it even more rediculous

[Jaredh]

Well nice one. A Prothean and I won't be able to experience this part of the plot (and thats HUGE!!) unless I pay more Money on top of the price for the standard edition of the game. BioWare you are so getting EA'd. That means you will lose a lot of your Fans and if you don't get rid of EA all your future Games will more and more suck. EA is killing good Developers on a daily basis.

[Jackster94]

may somebody please clarify?
is the collectors edition and "from ashes" outfits different to one another?

[El Ejcovero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Your arguments are about Activision which yes is a terrible company and only very vaguely related to this issue involving a completely different company.

The fact is, that was an imaginary example ACTIVISION DID NOT DO THAT, ACTIVISION GAVE YOU THE WORK OF ALL THREE DEVELOPERS FOR ONE PRICE ON RELEASE.
As I said, it is unacceptable that Activison does the right thing while Bioware does not.