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[LivingHitokiri]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

I thought some people might be interested in this - having noticed Jessica Merizan, BioWare community Manager, posted it on Reddit.

jessicamerizan wrote...

I think there's a lot of misinformation out there and I wish the guy who made the initial video about it would have had an open mind before jumping to conclusions based on a leak we weren't ready to address. Since I'm a BioWare employee, I know people won't automatically trust me, but I hope people will consider that it wasn't cut content from the larger game. I was in Edmonton when we were finishing the game in November/December and I was in Edmonton again last month when they were working on the Day 1 DLC. It definitely was only possible to do because the main game was in certification (which means we had to wait for people to test it and make sure everything was good etc before we could get the greenlight to sell it). I also played the game WITHOUT the DLC in my first playthrough and honestly, it's an awesome addition but I was more than happy with what I was given in the game. It's bigger and more expansive than ever. Of course, I understand the concern but I hope we can all have an intelligent conversation about it and cover what the facts are in this situation.

Hope that helps a little bit. This is an awkward format to answer this question, but I know I could explain it if you were sitting next to me on a couch with some coffee/tea

The people you are directing this towards don't care.  They are either too arrogant and stubborn to alter their argument or they have ceased to care and want nothing more than to watch the company burn.  This has been shown, among other evidence, constantly, but nothing has changed in how the arguments are presented.

The few who actually have had the real issue at hand either get their posts buried or have just given up against the few who continue to go at this in the wrong way.

And who are you to homogenize my opinion with others,who are you to
call my reasoning/argument  wrong or twist it into some blatant hate
towards EA/Bioware.

You never buried nothing about  my complains and
noone of the so called * defenders*  ever did,i personally gave up on
posting further due to this ridiculous  one sides nature of discussion
it goes in this thread.

The fact that EA takes an important part of
the series and reduce into a mere dull component of the game in order
to profit alone ignoring the damage it could produce in the overall
story of the series.

I disagree with this ****ty policy that EA
follows and it insults me as a customer to be asked to be a part of
such farce and support it with my money so they,and every EA alike
publishers could exploit this fact and do it for other games in the
future.

There is no more buy it play it, and /or, don't buy it and
never play it. There is also the part of where gamers will simple pirate
the game without paying anything and still witness the whole content
the rest of us get by paying. I can already see by miles tons of pirates
laughing at this situation,since,for them and other people that would
buy it but now instead will pirate it will simply  feel justified for
their actions based on how EA treats them.

I do not wish to be part
of EA ideology for the current era of gaming and i will not support
their cause by buying their published game,SIMPLE AS THAT.

No
matter what you say you wont be able to crush,bury  or prove otherwise.
people got different viewpoints and reasoning to voice which obviously
would collide with many others,but,thats it is expected.

[rainasa]

RiouHotaru wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

But you are getting the full game.  The CE buyers getting the DLC is because it's part of the goodies they get for buying the CE.  Are you honestly saying they should make the CE buyers pay $10 bucks as well, on TOP of of the $20+ they're already paying over retail?

I'd rather they would have just sat on their asses for about a month and then released it, then their wouldnt be nearly as many issues with it as there are now.

[jp_rsardeto]

This DLC is a ****ing joke.

[Heimdall]

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as Shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

How so?

Do I have to spell it out? It's the same kind of dlc they have released for free before, and they had time to insert the code into the collectors edition. Ergo they had the chance to reward the average user as before but instead saddled us with 10 dollar dlc.

Only a fool believes the official story.

No, you are asking them to treat you to a free companion and drawing comparisons to a very differant situation that has no relevance.  They released those things as free incentives to get new copies sold not as a reward for the average user.  For ME3, mulitplayer fills that role.  Now this DLC that was not cut from the main game and developed seperately is being sold as it's own entity and included as part of the CE extras.

And nothing was cut out purely to be resold later

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

The integral lesson?  Nah, I'm pretty much done explaining the difference.  Nor will I continue to explain the difference of what is important to lore and what is important to the game.  

[TheGoddess0fWar]

We have know for awhile that the Prothean Team Mate/Mission was CE exclusive. So you either pay $20 more for the CE edition to get the mission, more exclusive DLC, artbook, soundtrack etc. or pay $10 just for the DLC. You're choice but quite whining about missing out on something us getting the CE are getting for paying more (to get more see how that works?)

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 24 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[Heimdall]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

So still nobody can tell me why this Prothean is so important...

Somehow they seem to think meeting a Prothean is something Bioware has no right to charge them for...

[LiquidLogic2020]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

Oh well excuse me for voicing my opinion.

[Mclouvins]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

Sure I got it.

A. This was never intended to be part of the main game. They said nearly a year ago that the collector's edition would have an additional character and mission and let it slip that it was actually a Prothean. If they hadn't done that he would most likely either have been released at a later date for the same price or not developed at all. Most importantly though there was never any question of his being in the basic game, it was never going to happen.

B. Sure being a Prothean is cool but that doesn't make him a major driving force in the narrative. It is not like the key to beating the reapers is getting him to a cloning facility to make a Prothean army or something like that. He merely provides combat support like any other squadmate and provides insight into the Prothean mindset/civilization, just like Grunt did for Krogans in ME2, but when he dies the Protheans will go back to being a dead species all over again.

[PSUHammer]

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE."  I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character.  I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content.  So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate?  So what?  I spent $20 more.

[BillsVengenace]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

That doesn't make any sense.  Why should the artists, writers, animators, etc., who worked on his piece do so for free?  If you wanted to argue that the content wasn't worth $10, then I would be right there with you (once I played it to see).  I didn't think Kasumi was worth it, either.  But, to demand content be free is ridiculous.

They don't work for free.  They get paid irregardless of whether the DLC sells 1,000,000 copies or 0 copies. 

[Niemack Saarinen]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

Oh well excuse me for voicing my opinion.

Because your logic doesnt hold water.  See what i did there?

[IllusiveMike]

The Xbox 360 introduced the $60 price point in 2005.

Assume the federal reserve maintained its target of about 3% inflation a year (lets ignore the price of oil and compounding for the moment).

3% of $60 is $1.80. $1.80 times the seven years that have passed = $12.60. Ergo, $60 from 2005 is worth $72.60 dollars in todays cash.

What on Earth makes you think ME3 is worth LESS than the games released in 2005?

It's fair.

(Edit: yes, the calculations are based on assumptions, but I remember buying PC games for $50 in 1998!  Inflation has happened and it's reasonable to adjust).

Modifié par IllusiveMike, 24 février 2012 - 03:59 .

[Sleek]

BTCentral, like i said if CD.P can do it why cant EA. Certainly this would be a great ice breaker. And i didnt say all the fams , i said MANY are unhappy. I pre ordered the CE and im just tired of EA way they do there buisness. I think a couple of free DLC would be nice on there part concidering they are over priced and lack in quality.

[Mclouvins]

rainasa wrote...

I'd rather they would have just sat on their asses for about a month and then released it, then their wouldnt be nearly as many issues with it as there are now.

Which just demonstates the madness of it all. This isn't even a new issue, the Prothean character page is 7 months old.

[PSUHammer]

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

Why bother...it has been responded to many times in this thread and goes ignored.  At this point, people are just complaining to complain.

[Madkipz]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as Shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

How so?

Do I have to spell it out? It's the same kind of dlc they have released for free before, and they had time to insert the code into the collectors edition. Ergo they had the chance to reward the average user as before but instead saddled us with 10 dollar dlc.

Only a fool believes the official story.

No, you are asking them to treat you to a free companion and drawing comparisons to a very differant situation that has no relevance.  They released those things as free incentives to get new copies sold not as a reward for the average user.  For ME3, mulitplayer fills that role.  Now this DLC that was not cut from the main game and developed seperately is being sold as it's own entity and included as part of the CE extras.

And nothing was cut out purely to be resold later

Now you're just being stupid and reitterating me.

My point was always that the way this DLC was created does not matter. 

They would have been met with the same outrage if Shale was 10 bucks extra for the average user buying new upon release.

[Yuoaman]

Mclouvins wrote...

rainasa wrote...

I'd rather they would have just sat on their asses for about a month and then released it, then their wouldnt be nearly as many issues with it as there are now.

Which just demonstates the madness of it all. This isn't even a new issue, the Prothean character page is 7 months old.

Except the pre-release material for the CE never said that the Prothean character was exclusive, I always assumed every player would get the chance to play it.

And I actually pre-ordered the CE, so it's not because I want free stuff.

[Yuoaman]

Please try to keep insults to yourself and keep things civil, guys.

[NoxJuked]

I'm tired of this "I have a right to voice my opinion" okay was that something you all found out yesterday or something, and the rest of us don't know about it? We just don't want people hating for the wrong reasons when the game isn't even out yet or the DLC or hating the developers who put in hard work to complete both the main game and DLC ready for launch with blind reason.

You say porthean is important, why? What is he possibly going to offer to beat the reapers other than a gun, he's only going to provide backround information most likely about the prothean race which is something I feel will be for the fans who are into lore.

Why make the DLC free? They need to make money, they worked on it after the main game was complete. So just because they planned DLC ahead of time and completed it, it should be free right. CE people knew there was going to be an extra mission-squad mate that's why I bought it ahead of time. So if you make it free for everyone then you just ****** off the CE people.

Multiplayer is the free sort of thing this time around, and it's really damn amazing if you have not played it yet.

[rainasa]

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...


Oh well excuse me for voicing my opinion.

i dont mean to be rude, but I and many other people have explained the diffrence between shale and zaeed and from ashes literally over 20 times over the course of the day. and im damn tired of doing it.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 04:03 .

[wrdnshprd]

RiouHotaru wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

But you are getting the full game.  The CE buyers getting the DLC is because it's part of the goodies they get for buying the CE.  Are you honestly saying they should make the CE buyers pay $10 bucks as well, on TOP of of the $20+ they're already paying over retail?

im saying that the SE players should be getting the exact same experience as the CE players are, since that is what bioware is advertising.  they did supposedly by the full version of the game right? 

the $20 you spend for extra stuff should NEVER be actual in game content.  cosmetic items, vanity pets, digital artwork, social items, etc  are all fair game.. actual missions and characters are not.

[PSUHammer]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

That doesn't make any sense.  Why should the artists, writers, animators, etc., who worked on his piece do so for free?  If you wanted to argue that the content wasn't worth $10, then I would be right there with you (once I played it to see).  I didn't think Kasumi was worth it, either.  But, to demand content be free is ridiculous.

They don't work for free.  They get paid irregardless of whether the DLC sells 1,000,000 copies or 0 copies. 

That may or may not be true.  I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not.  Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles.  My company does during "crunch" times.  That isn't the point.  The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit.  If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.

[ArkkAngel007]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

I thought some people might be interested in this - having noticed Jessica Merizan, BioWare community Manager, posted it on Reddit.

jessicamerizan wrote...

I think there's a lot of misinformation out there and I wish the guy who made the initial video about it would have had an open mind before jumping to conclusions based on a leak we weren't ready to address. Since I'm a BioWare employee, I know people won't automatically trust me, but I hope people will consider that it wasn't cut content from the larger game. I was in Edmonton when we were finishing the game in November/December and I was in Edmonton again last month when they were working on the Day 1 DLC. It definitely was only possible to do because the main game was in certification (which means we had to wait for people to test it and make sure everything was good etc before we could get the greenlight to sell it). I also played the game WITHOUT the DLC in my first playthrough and honestly, it's an awesome addition but I was more than happy with what I was given in the game. It's bigger and more expansive than ever. Of course, I understand the concern but I hope we can all have an intelligent conversation about it and cover what the facts are in this situation.

Hope that helps a little bit. This is an awkward format to answer this question, but I know I could explain it if you were sitting next to me on a couch with some coffee/tea

The people you are directing this towards don't care.  They are either too arrogant and stubborn to alter their argument or they have ceased to care and want nothing more than to watch the company burn.  This has been shown, among other evidence, constantly, but nothing has changed in how the arguments are presented.

The few who actually have had the real issue at hand either get their posts buried or have just given up against the few who continue to go at this in the wrong way.

And who are you to homogenize my opinion with others,who are you to
call my reasoning/argument  wrong or twist it into some blatant hate
towards EA/Bioware.

You never buried nothing about  my complains and
noone of the so called * defenders*  ever did,i personally gave up on
posting further due to this ridiculous  one sides nature of discussion
it goes in this thread.

The fact that EA takes an important part of
the series and reduce into a mere dull component of the game in order
to profit alone ignoring the damage it could produce in the overall
story of the series.

I disagree with this ****ty policy that EA
follows and it insults me as a customer to be asked to be a part of
such farce and support it with my money so they,and every EA alike
publishers could exploit this fact and do it for other games in the
future.

There is no more buy it play it, and /or, don't buy it and
never play it. There is also the part of where gamers will simple pirate
the game without paying anything and still witness the whole content
the rest of us get by paying. I can already see by miles tons of pirates
laughing at this situation,since,for them and other people that would
buy it but now instead will pirate it will simply  feel justified for
their actions based on how EA treats them.

I do not wish to be part
of EA ideology for the current era of gaming and i will not support
their cause by buying their published game,SIMPLE AS THAT.

No
matter what you say you wont be able to crush,bury  or prove otherwise.
people got different viewpoints and reasoning to voice which obviously
would collide with many others,but,thats it is expected.

I don't know where you are getting any of that from.  I made it clear I disagree about the DLC handling.  I was referring to this assuming it's cut content soley for profit from the main game, that it's all completed on the retail copy of the game, and/or that the character is a pivotal point for the game and it's lack of inclusion is detrimental to the whole game.  I'm also against boycotting against the retail title that is fine as is instead of just boycotting the DLC, which is the issue.  

This treatment of the prothean will not damage the story.  Don't be so melodramatic.  Can't damage what it isn't a part of in the first place.

I've been a really solid individual on here, and have been very objective about the whole thing.  I've been honest, cordial when I could have snapped, and provided helpful information so that people can refine their arguments.  So please don't twist my comments into some personal attack when I don't even remember who you are, if I've even ever seen a post from you.