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[rainasa]

wrdnshprd wrote...

[*]
also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?

the SE is the full game, from ashes is EXTRA content and was never actually going to be put into mass effect 3 in the first place.

where the hell are all these people getting the idea that it was content that was removed from the actual game? their asses?

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[Calibrationmaster]

 
"““From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate"


what is this alternate appearance, is a new costume or something? a new color for squadmates armors?

and this adventure onn eden prime !!! 2 or 3 hours of play time like the shadow broker DLC?

and the wepon , is it a rifle ? a sniper ? a bazzoka?


if this is 10 bucks / euros i want to know if it´s worth this price

Modifié par Calibrationmaster, 24 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[LiquidLogic2020]

Hammer6767 wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

Mclouvins wrote...

rainasa wrote...

LiquidLogic2020 wrote...

The main thing that irks me is that we are now expected to pay £10 for something that was once a free incentive for buying the game brand new. The fact that it's a prothean just makes it seem that much worse as they have always been a big part of ME lore, im hoping that they will play a part in ME3 regardless of dlc but even if that is the case it's still low to take something that's so integral to the lore of ME and sell it separately on the day the game comes out.

can someone else take this one please? writing my response to this statement would now be physically painful for me.

Sure I got it.

A. This was never intended to be part of the main game. They said nearly a year ago that the collector's edition would have an additional character and mission and let it slip that it was actually a Prothean. If they hadn't done that he would most likely either have been released at a later date for the same price or not developed at all. Most importantly though there was never any question of his being in the basic game, it was never going to happen.

B. Sure being a Prothean is cool but that doesn't make him a major driving force in the narrative. It is not like the key to beating the reapers is getting him to a cloning facility to make a Prothean army or something like that. He merely provides combat support like any other squadmate and provides insight into the Prothean mindset/civilization, just like Grunt did for Krogans in ME2, but when he dies the Protheans will go back to being a dead species all over again.

I never said it was planned for the main game, I can't prove that either way so I won't touch apon it. I also did not say he would be a "major driving force in the narative" I simply stated that protheans are a big deal in the mass effect lore. My main point was that we are now paying £10 for the eqivilant of Zaeed, who was a nice bonus for buying brand new, can you not see how having £10 dlc packs availble before you even put the disk in the tray angers some people? 

Nobody is forcing anyone to buy it.  It isn't part of the main game.  It is completely optional.  So, no, I don't understand why people get angry over it.  It is irrational.

Because it looks like content has been cut from the game and sold along side it apon releas, that's why, was it really so hard to understand? Sure we have been told otherwise, by the people who will be profiting off of this no less so how much wieght does their word really carry in regards to this whole debacle? Now me personaly won't have to worry about this, a friend of mine is cetting the CE but dosent use xbl so is giving me the codes. But I can see why people are pissed off, this whole dlc for ME3 thing has been getting out of hand and this is the tipping point. But hey, maybe I can see both sides of the argument because im not sat on my high horse being glib. 

[PSUHammer]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...
**SNIP**

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE."  I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character.  I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content.  So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate?  So what?  I spent $20 more.

also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?

But it IS the full version of the game.  The CE buyer gets "EXTRA" content for paying more.  Your argument is that story and characters should not be part of extra content.  Ok, fine, you are entitled to that opinion.  Good luck, as every developer out there releases story based content as DLC.

The part I think you are missing is that you have the full game.  The Prothean is EXTRA and OPTIONAL.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[fropas]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE."  I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character.  I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content.  So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate?  So what?  I spent $20 more.

[*]to me is well worth the $20.

also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?

[*]Good for you, BW thinks we should get more content for 20$ than you think we should. The SE consumers get the standard edition. The CE consumers get the "full version" its been stated multiple times the the prothy was never intended for the standard game. you don't need the prothy to beat the game; he is additional content. . .he is not standard. Sorry that's just how it is.

[rainasa]

double post, BSN acting wonky again.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[BillsVengenace]

Hammer6767 wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

That doesn't make any sense.  Why should the artists, writers, animators, etc., who worked on his piece do so for free?  If you wanted to argue that the content wasn't worth $10, then I would be right there with you (once I played it to see).  I didn't think Kasumi was worth it, either.  But, to demand content be free is ridiculous.

They don't work for free.  They get paid irregardless of whether the DLC sells 1,000,000 copies or 0 copies. 

That may or may not be true.  I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not.  Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles.  My company does during "crunch" times.  That isn't the point.  The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit.  If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.

No, it is true.

They get paid for their work, not based on profit or even whether the product is even released.  That wold be against the law. 

Several game developers release free content.  CDProjekt Red are going to release an enhanced version of The Witcher 2 FOR FREE (like they did with TW1).  Do you honestly think they weren't paying their employees for the work during that time?  

The amount of money this DLC would cost - a couple of hundred thousand at most is a drop in the ocean for a company like EA.  They could damn well release this content for free if they wanted to and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to their finanical stability.  The difference here is that EA/BioWare would rather make a quick buck than cultivate respect between themselves and their consumers. 

[Jerjud45]

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

I couldn't have said it any better.  The extras in a CE should be fluff and vanity only.  ME2 CE was really just fluff, armor and weapons, everyone got Zaeed for free.  Same thing should have been done for ME3.

I am not arguing that it should be free now, what's done is done and Bioware can distribute content however they want.  I am arguing that from a reputation standpoint Bioware is starting to make poor marketing choices that will inevitably drive away some of their loyal customers.  Sure, they will make more money in the short run and from an economic standpoint this is ingenious. 

However they are taking a dump on their loyal ME fans that have been around since ME1 that missed out on the CE and would actually care about this sort of thing.  These are fans that they can't afford to lose when it comes time for them to sell another DLC riddled game, as ME has been their most popular series.  They may even be losing SWTOR subscriptions over this, and that game has enough content problems driving people away as it is.

I miss the days of proper expansions, this DLC bs is getting out of hand.

[Heimdall]

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Madkipz wrote...

If they could give the dlc for free in the collectors edition then they could have given the dlc for free to all who buy the game new as Shale / Zaeed.

Ergo cut content for the average user with the intention to sell it as DLC.

It isn't cut content

it might just as well be.

How so?

Do I have to spell it out? It's the same kind of dlc they have released for free before, and they had time to insert the code into the collectors edition. Ergo they had the chance to reward the average user as before but instead saddled us with 10 dollar dlc.

Only a fool believes the official story.

No, you are asking them to treat you to a free companion and drawing comparisons to a very differant situation that has no relevance.  They released those things as free incentives to get new copies sold not as a reward for the average user.  For ME3, mulitplayer fills that role.  Now this DLC that was not cut from the main game and developed seperately is being sold as it's own entity and included as part of the CE extras.

And nothing was cut out purely to be resold later

Now you're just being stupid and reitterating me.

My point was always that the way this DLC was created does not matter. 

They would have been met with the same outrage if Shale was 10 bucks extra for the average user buying new upon release.

Except it wasn't because everyone knew Shale was only removed from the game due to time constraints.  How DLC is made matters, especially to half the people on this thread wrongly complaining that their SE copy is an incomplete game.

My point, is that this is not the same kind of DLC as Shale.  Shale was not intended to be apart from the main game when it was developed.  The Prothean was planned during the main game and developed afterwards.  If anything Shale would have been met with more outrage due to originally being part of the main game.

I'm not reiterating you.  I'm telling you that they never rewarded the average user out of the goodness of their hearts with free DLC, and with the multiplayer that role is filled already.  Did the point go over your head?

Multiplayer =/= prothean squadmate. Yea I'd rather the Multiplayer was the 10 dollar dlc.

So would I.

[_symphony]

NoxJuked wrote...
You say porthean is important, why? What is he possibly going to offer to beat the reapers other than a gun, he's only going to provide backround information most likely about the prothean race which is something I feel will be for the fans who are into lore.

huh? that's pretty important. ME is story driven, lore is important, if it weren't Deception wouldn't have made the uproad it did.

[heart again]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

bioware ahould have made EDI the CE squadmate and prothean in from the start

No, the only way people woudn't have been so enraged is if the character was previously unknown and not particularly interesting. 

[PSUHammer]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

That may or may not be true.  I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not.  Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles.  My company does during "crunch" times.  That isn't the point.  The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit.  If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.

No, it is true.

They get paid for their work, not based on profit or even whether the product is even released.  That wold be against the law. 

Several game developers release free content.  CDProjekt Red are going to release an enhanced version of The Witcher 2 FOR FREE (like they did with TW1).  Do you honestly think they weren't paying their employees for the work during that time?  

The amount of money this DLC would cost - a couple of hundred thousand at most is a drop in the ocean for a company like EA.  They could damn well release this content for free if they wanted to and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to their finanical stability.  The difference here is that EA/BioWare would rather make a quick buck than cultivate respect between themselves and their consumers. 

Wait a second...against the LAW???   What law, exactly?  I can ramp up and down my contract staff at will.  There is no "law" against that.  Most companies (in the US, anyway) are "at will" employment.

I think you may not fully understand business economics (no offense!).

[fropas]

heart again wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

bioware ahould have made EDI the CE squadmate and prothean in from the start

No, the only way people woudn't have been so enraged is if the character was previously unknown and not particularly interesting. 

Yes anything "important" or "interesting" should be in the game if it's day-one dlc. . .simply because fans demand it.

[DJBare]

Lord Aesir wrote...So would I.

Seriously, book a holiday in Egypt!

[Heimdall]

_symphony wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...
You say porthean is important, why? What is he possibly going to offer to beat the reapers other than a gun, he's only going to provide backround information most likely about the prothean race which is something I feel will be for the fans who are into lore.

huh? that's pretty important. ME is story driven, lore is important, if it weren't Deception wouldn't have made the uproad it did.

Not really, not in terms of plot relevance.  It has been confirmed that you can get all the same information the Prothean gives you in the base game.

[Madkipz]

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...
**SNIP**

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE."  I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character.  I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content.  So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate?  So what?  I spent $20 more.

also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?

But it IS the full version of the game.  The CE buyer gets "EXTRA" content for paying more.  Your argument is that story and characters should not be part of extra content.  Ok, fine, you are entitled to that opinion.  Good luck, as every developer out there releases story based content as DLC.

The part I think you are missing is that you have the full game.  The Prothean is EXTRA and OPTIONAL.

The multiplayer is extra and optional. For the full experience the protean isn't

[heart again]

fropas wrote...

heart again wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

bioware ahould have made EDI the CE squadmate and prothean in from the start

No, the only way people woudn't have been so enraged is if the character was previously unknown and not particularly interesting. 

Yes anything "important" or "interesting" should be in the game if it's day-one dlc. . .simply because fans demand it.

Exactly, damn Bioware for making content for CE owners that might actually be worthwhile.  And giving everyone else a chance to get it as well.

[ArkkAngel007]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

daqs wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I read it when it was posted originally. I still don't think whether it was made pre- or post-certification makes much of a difference.

Neither do I. For some people, though, apparently that's a make-or-break thing.

Nobody cares about certification, it's about refuting the erroneous claim that the Prothean is ripped content from the main game.

I've never claimed that the Prothean was ripped from the game, just that he was always planned and depriving him of gamers who don't pay additional money isn't right.

That doesn't make any sense.  Why should the artists, writers, animators, etc., who worked on his piece do so for free?  If you wanted to argue that the content wasn't worth $10, then I would be right there with you (once I played it to see).  I didn't think Kasumi was worth it, either.  But, to demand content be free is ridiculous.

They don't work for free.  They get paid irregardless of whether the DLC sells 1,000,000 copies or 0 copies. 

That may or may not be true.  I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not.  Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles.  My company does during "crunch" times.  That isn't the point.  The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit.  If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.

No, it is true.

They get paid for their work, not based on profit or even whether the product is even released.  That wold be against the law. 

Several game developers release free content.  CDProjekt Red are going to release an enhanced version of The Witcher 2 FOR FREE (like they did with TW1).  Do you honestly think they weren't paying their employees for the work during that time?  

The amount of money this DLC would cost - a couple of hundred thousand at most is a drop in the ocean for a company like EA.  They could damn well release this content for free if they wanted to and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to their finanical stability.  The difference here is that EA/BioWare would rather make a quick buck than cultivate respect between themselves and their consumers. 

No.  There is a commission system post launch.  The payments are different with each company, but I think most AAA developers get paid through quarterly checks that account for the number of product sold.

Just because some devs make free content doesn't mean that they don't take a hit for it, because they do.  I realize most would reason EA and BioWare could for the Prothean, but that's really not our decision.  That's up to EA.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 04:29 .

[BillsVengenace]

Hammer6767 wrote...

BillsVengenace wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

That may or may not be true.  I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not.  Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles.  My company does during "crunch" times.  That isn't the point.  The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit.  If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.

No, it is true.

They get paid for their work, not based on profit or even whether the product is even released.  That wold be against the law. 

Several game developers release free content.  CDProjekt Red are going to release an enhanced version of The Witcher 2 FOR FREE (like they did with TW1).  Do you honestly think they weren't paying their employees for the work during that time?  

The amount of money this DLC would cost - a couple of hundred thousand at most is a drop in the ocean for a company like EA.  They could damn well release this content for free if they wanted to and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to their finanical stability.  The difference here is that EA/BioWare would rather make a quick buck than cultivate respect between themselves and their consumers. 

Wait a second...against the LAW???   What law, exactly?  I can ramp up and down my contract staff at will.  There is no "law" against that.  Most companies (in the US, anyway) are "at will" employment.

I think you may not fully understand business economics (no offense!).

Are you for real? Somehow I doubt you have a staff.  I think you might be 13 running a lemonade stand.

If you have people working for you YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM.  

It doesn't matter if the product never sees the light of day.  It doesn't matter if they work for you for 10 years or ten hours.  Unless an employee has violated the terms of contract you must pay them their wage or they can bring you to a claims court.

[fropas]

heart again wrote...

fropas wrote...

heart again wrote...

mrbauxjangles wrote...

bioware ahould have made EDI the CE squadmate and prothean in from the start

No, the only way people woudn't have been so enraged is if the character was previously unknown and not particularly interesting. 

Yes anything "important" or "interesting" should be in the game if it's day-one dlc. . .simply because fans demand it.

Exactly, damn Bioware for making content for CE owners that might actually be worthwhile.  And giving everyone else a chance to get it as well.

Rawr! curse them for not giving us a useless, meaningless, pointless character for day-one DLC! God knows, we only spent additional money why should we be entitled to additional content? Damn  you BW! Damn you to hell!!!!

[Daywalker315]

Jerjud45 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

ok.  after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.

basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..

however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened. 

there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were.  but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead.  i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this. 

I couldn't have said it any better.  The extras in a CE should be fluff and vanity only.  ME2 CE was really just fluff, armor and weapons, everyone got Zaeed for free.  Same thing should have been done for ME3.

I am not arguing that it should be free now, what's done is done and Bioware can distribute content however they want.  I am arguing that from a reputation standpoint Bioware is starting to make poor marketing choices that will inevitably drive away some of their loyal customers.  Sure, they will make more money in the short run and from an economic standpoint this is ingenious. 

However they are taking a dump on their loyal ME fans that have been around since ME1 that missed out on the CE and would actually care about this sort of thing.  These are fans that they can't afford to lose when it comes time for them to sell another DLC riddled game, as ME has been their most popular series.  They may even be losing SWTOR subscriptions over this, and that game has enough content problems driving people away as it is.

I miss the days of proper expansions, this DLC bs is getting out of hand.

You don't get to decide what SHOULD be in a CE. It's their game. If they want to put fluffy bunnies in their CE's, that is their prerogative.

Also, expansions don't sell anymore (outside of very specific exceptions like SC2, which is more like 3 individual games). Companies have learned that people are more likely to buy smaller $1-10 direct downloads closer to launch and spaced out more often than they are to wait 12 months after a game's launch and spend another $30-40 all at once. So they do DLC instead of expansions. There's no manufacturing cost and they can make profits along the way that fuel the next DLC and so on instead of having to sink a bunch of cost into an expansion that can't be made up until it is all released at once.

[rainasa]

Madkipz wrote...

The multiplayer is extra and optional. For the full experience the protean isn't

the hell it is.

you do not have to have javick to fully understand ME3's story or lore.

just because it is manditiory "For the full experience" FOR YOU doesnt mean they should give it to you for free because you think you deserve it.
 
it has been confirmed that even without from ashes you can still learn almost everything javick talks about through the codex and other third rate sources.

deal with it.

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 04:33 .

[SillyNydia]

This is why I tend to lean more towards either CE or Digital Deluxe because they pull little stunts like this. I'm not saying it is right but it's not like this is anything new. They should be up front with what exactly is in each version.. whether it is finished or not. If they had of said "From Ashes" comes in CE/DD and not standard from the start, yes people would still be upset, but everyone would know and make decisions based off that.

Whether it was finished or not/cut or not is irrelevant because they knew it would eventually be completed and given to the certain versions of the game.

[LivingHitokiri]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

I thought some people might be interested in this - having noticed Jessica Merizan, BioWare community Manager, posted it on Reddit.

jessicamerizan wrote...

I think there's a lot of misinformation out there and I wish the guy who made the initial video about it would have had an open mind before jumping to conclusions based on a leak we weren't ready to address. Since I'm a BioWare employee, I know people won't automatically trust me, but I hope people will consider that it wasn't cut content from the larger game. I was in Edmonton when we were finishing the game in November/December and I was in Edmonton again last month when they were working on the Day 1 DLC. It definitely was only possible to do because the main game was in certification (which means we had to wait for people to test it and make sure everything was good etc before we could get the greenlight to sell it). I also played the game WITHOUT the DLC in my first playthrough and honestly, it's an awesome addition but I was more than happy with what I was given in the game. It's bigger and more expansive than ever. Of course, I understand the concern but I hope we can all have an intelligent conversation about it and cover what the facts are in this situation.

Hope that helps a little bit. This is an awkward format to answer this question, but I know I could explain it if you were sitting next to me on a couch with some coffee/tea

The people you are directing this towards don't care.  They are either too arrogant and stubborn to alter their argument or they have ceased to care and want nothing more than to watch the company burn.  This has been shown, among other evidence, constantly, but nothing has changed in how the arguments are presented.

The few who actually have had the real issue at hand either get their posts buried or have just given up against the few who continue to go at this in the wrong way.

And who are you to homogenize my opinion with others,who are you to
call my reasoning/argument  wrong or twist it into some blatant hate
towards EA/Bioware.

You never buried nothing about  my complains and
noone of the so called * defenders*  ever did,i personally gave up on
posting further due to this ridiculous  one sides nature of discussion
it goes in this thread.

The fact that EA takes an important part of
the series and reduce into a mere dull component of the game in order
to profit alone ignoring the damage it could produce in the overall
story of the series.

I disagree with this ****ty policy that EA
follows and it insults me as a customer to be asked to be a part of
such farce and support it with my money so they,and every EA alike
publishers could exploit this fact and do it for other games in the
future.

There is no more buy it play it, and /or, don't buy it and
never play it. There is also the part of where gamers will simple pirate
the game without paying anything and still witness the whole content
the rest of us get by paying. I can already see by miles tons of pirates
laughing at this situation,since,for them and other people that would
buy it but now instead will pirate it will simply  feel justified for
their actions based on how EA treats them.

I do not wish to be part
of EA ideology for the current era of gaming and i will not support
their cause by buying their published game,SIMPLE AS THAT.

No
matter what you say you wont be able to crush,bury  or prove otherwise.
people got different viewpoints and reasoning to voice which obviously
would collide with many others,but,thats it is expected.

I don't know where you are getting any of that from.  I made it clear I disagree about the DLC handling.  I was referring to this assuming it's cut content soley for profit from the main game, that it's all completed on the retail copy of the game, and/or that the character is a pivotal point for the game and it's lack of inclusion is detrimental to the whole game.  I'm also against boycotting against the retail title that is fine as is instead of just boycotting the DLC, which is the issue.  



I've been a really solid individual on here, and have been very objective about the whole thing.  I've been honest, cordial when I could have snapped, and provided helpful information so that people can refine their arguments.  So please don't twist my comments into some personal attack when I don't even remember who you are, if I've even ever seen a post from you. 

I am gonna bold  your quotations

The people you are directing this towards don't care.  They are either
too arrogant and stubborn to alter their argument or they have ceased to
care and want nothing more than to watch the company burn.  This has
been shown, among other evidence, constantly, but nothing has changed in
how the arguments are presented.

You cannot voice the majority of the people neither represent their way
of thinking.hold your opinion to your own,learn to agree and disagree.

This treatment of the prothean will not damage the story.  Don't be so
melodramatic.  Can't damage what it isn't a part of in the first place.

This is where you're wrong, protheans are one of the major part of the
chain that holds ME series into a well polished story ,the other part of
this are Shpard that plays the narrative/main role and reapers that
play the role of the villains.

Protheans are the sole reason why this story can developed in such way,the sole reason why Shepard is important in Mass Effect , the whole game DEVELOPS around protheans,their technology,culture and their overall understanding as a race in ME 1.

In ME 2 they played DIRECT ROLE 
and the biggest part of the game considering the whole game is about
stoping them kidnapping humans and create the human reaper. The
whole reason for Shepard to be brought back by Cerberus  was to fight
protheans ( Collectors) ,stop them,find out and confirm that REAPER threat remains even after the geth got diminished ,find out that Reapper use Protheans in order to carry on their plans.

So
which part of this is not important in Mass Effect series? I even left
out plethora of details that could enforce my statement further and
cover it with undeniable fact that the game's story provides us.



Me
3 ,ME 2,ME 1 are not separate game sequels with different
timeline,story that revolves around same universe.They are  3 different
pieces that build into what Mass Effect story overall is.they go together,separated they would look like a bad written story that missing tons of aspects.

The
importance of Protheans in the series in undeniable and by seeing
bioware taking part of this and selling this out for 10 bucks just to
make some profit is what makes go against  it. it is not Bioware at
fault here its EA.

I am always big fan of Bioware since Baldurs gate
days and i will still remain as long they make wonderful RPG with
amazing stories.

 So please don't twist my comments into some personal attack when I
don't even remember who you are, if I've even ever seen a post from
you. 

I never twisted any comments
neither made it  personal,but, alas  what does having to know someone or
even seen him/her in the past got to do with this ?

[wrdnshprd]

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...
**SNIP**

well, thats all well and good.  the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.

the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION.  well obviously, this isnt the case is it.  we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE). 

as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items.  things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20.  but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.

The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE."  I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character.  I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content.  So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate?  So what?  I spent $20 more.

also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?

But it IS the full version of the game.  The CE buyer gets "EXTRA" content for paying more.  Your argument is that story and characters should not be part of extra content.  Ok, fine, you are entitled to that opinion.  Good luck, as every developer out there releases story based content as DLC.

The part I think you are missing is that you have the full game.  The Prothean is EXTRA and OPTIONAL.

how many developers release story driven content as DAY ONE DLC?  besides bioware, i cant think of many.

i got no problem with story driven DLC AFTER RELEASE. 

in fact i welcome it.  it can really expand on the game and keep me coming back after the first playthrough. it also keeps developers busy, which makes revenue for the company, and helps developers keep their jobs.

that being said, whatever happened to the good ole days when you bought the game and actually *gasp* got ALL of the content?  why is it so bad to have this expectation now?  because 'times have changed'? 

well it only changed because we allowed it to..