LivingHitokiri wrote...
I never twisted any comments
neither made it personal,but, alas what does having to know someone or
even seen him/her in the past got to do with this ?
Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 04:38 .
BillsVengenace wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
BillsVengenace wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
That may or may not be true. I am not sure if people work contingent at their company on projects like this, or not. Perhaps they ramp up staff for release cycles. My company does during "crunch" times. That isn't the point. The point is that the company pays people salaries and/or hourly wages to work on content to sell for profit. If they were not selling said content then those people would not be employed for very long.
No, it is true.
They get paid for their work, not based on profit or even whether the product is even released. That wold be against the law.
Several game developers release free content. CDProjekt Red are going to release an enhanced version of The Witcher 2 FOR FREE (like they did with TW1). Do you honestly think they weren't paying their employees for the work during that time?
The amount of money this DLC would cost - a couple of hundred thousand at most is a drop in the ocean for a company like EA. They could damn well release this content for free if they wanted to and it wouldn't make an ounce of difference to their finanical stability. The difference here is that EA/BioWare would rather make a quick buck than cultivate respect between themselves and their consumers.
Wait a second...against the LAW??? What law, exactly? I can ramp up and down my contract staff at will. There is no "law" against that. Most companies (in the US, anyway) are "at will" employment.
I think you may not fully understand business economics (no offense!).
Are you for real? Somehow I doubt you have a staff. I think you might be 13 running a lemonade stand.
If you have people working for you YOU HAVE TO PAY THEM.
It doesn't matter if the product never sees the light of day. It doesn't matter if they work for you for 10 years or ten hours. Unless an employee has violated the terms of contract you must pay them their wage or they can bring you to a claims court.
Just passing the time until game release, all these boycotters will be first in lineG3rman wrote...
What are you all trying to prove by posting these long arguments? Honestly this thread should have ended by now.
Modifié par BillsVengenace, 24 février 2012 - 04:38 .
Madkipz wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
wrdnshprd wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
wrdnshprd wrote...
**SNIP**
well, thats all well and good. the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.
the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION. well obviously, this isnt the case is it. we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE).
as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items. things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20. but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.
The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE." I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character. I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content. So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate? So what? I spent $20 more.
also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?
But it IS the full version of the game. The CE buyer gets "EXTRA" content for paying more. Your argument is that story and characters should not be part of extra content. Ok, fine, you are entitled to that opinion. Good luck, as every developer out there releases story based content as DLC.
The part I think you are missing is that you have the full game. The Prothean is EXTRA and OPTIONAL.
The multiplayer is extra and optional. For the full experience the protean isn't
Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 04:38 .
BillsVengenace wrote...
Yes run away before you can make a further fool of yourself.
20thCenturyGhost wrote...
A short excerpt from Blue Velvet illustrating the relationship between EAWare and it's devoted cultists:
www.youtube.com/watch
20thCenturyGhost wrote...
A short excerpt from Blue Velvet illustrating the relationship between EAWare and it's devoted cultists:
www.youtube.com/watch
Modifié par heart again, 24 février 2012 - 04:42 .
20thCenturyGhost wrote...
A short excerpt from Blue Velvet illustrating the relationship between EAWare and it's devoted cultists:
www.youtube.com/watch
Yuoaman wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
Yuoaman wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
rainasa wrote...
I'd rather they would have just sat on their asses for about a month and then released it, then their wouldnt be nearly as many issues with it as there are now.
Which just demonstates the madness of it all. This isn't even a new issue, the Prothean character page is 7 months old.
Except the pre-release material for the CE never said that the Prothean character was exclusive, I always assumed every player would get the chance to play it.
And I actually pre-ordered the CE, so it's not because I want free stuff.
I don't think anyone ever said it was supposed to be exclusive. What rainasa was saying I believe is that they should have waited for SE release for like a month and then people would just be glad they had the option. I for one initially pre-ordered the SE knowing full well that I wouldn't get said character but figured I would have a chance to pay for him later. Eventaully I decided I wanted the other stuff so I got the DDE but my point was that I never had reason to believe that I was going to get the Prothean just for purchasing the basic game.
No, I thought it was going to be in every game no matter how you bought it or which version of the game you bought. This is what I am saying.
Can we stop with the insulting?BillsVengenace wrote...
Yes run away before you can make a further fool of yourself.
Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.
Daywalker315 wrote...
Yuoaman wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
Yuoaman wrote...
Mclouvins wrote...
rainasa wrote...
I'd rather they would have just sat on their asses for about a month and then released it, then their wouldnt be nearly as many issues with it as there are now.
Which just demonstates the madness of it all. This isn't even a new issue, the Prothean character page is 7 months old.
Except the pre-release material for the CE never said that the Prothean character was exclusive, I always assumed every player would get the chance to play it.
And I actually pre-ordered the CE, so it's not because I want free stuff.
I don't think anyone ever said it was supposed to be exclusive. What rainasa was saying I believe is that they should have waited for SE release for like a month and then people would just be glad they had the option. I for one initially pre-ordered the SE knowing full well that I wouldn't get said character but figured I would have a chance to pay for him later. Eventaully I decided I wanted the other stuff so I got the DDE but my point was that I never had reason to believe that I was going to get the Prothean just for purchasing the basic game.
No, I thought it was going to be in every game no matter how you bought it or which version of the game you bought. This is what I am saying.
No offense but it's silly to think that when for months the "BONUS - classified Character and Mission" thing was advertised for the CE and not for the SE, that it would be free in all versions. There were multiple leaks and rumors that said the bonus character would be a Prothean and despite BW's take-backs, common sense would tell you that Prothy was the CE bonus DLC. BW just didn't want it to be official knowledge until they knew it would happen for sure, barring some setback in deadlines or something. If they promised a "bonus character" and had to cancel it before launch, there would be mild discontent. If they promised a Prothean bonus character and had to cancel it, there would be riots even worse than this.
Hammer6767 wrote...
foo man chew wrote...
And as youve stated your opinion should be everybody elses too.Or its whining or a moanfest or people just must feel entitled.Your opion is right and everyone else who dissagrees is wrong.Hammer6767 wrote...
RiouHotaru wrote...
Genshie wrote...
It won't. The only people that this has bugged are the loyal fans. This will not affect the sales of casuals or anyone who doesn't diliberatly search for information on ME3. That is why I think TB's boycott is both pointless and dumb. You shouldn't be boycotting a game you should be boycotting the method and market by not buying the dlc itself. Also it doesn't help that alot of responses from his video were people saying they were going to pirate the game. He is only fueling the fire nothing else.RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
235 pages. I hope this backfires on sales as well and they rethink the decision on something like that for future releases.
The loyal fans are also equally divided as well.
I am a long time fan that wouldn't be afraid to legitimately call them out on somthing that was BS, but I find this whole day 1 DLC moanfest just that.
No, I accept other's viewpoints but I expect them to be able to logically back them up and not resort to namecalling. If that is the case, then yes, you are wrong.
rainasa wrote...
i dont mean to be rude, but I and many other people have explained the diffrence between shale and zaeed and from ashes literally over 20 times over the course of the day. and im damn tired of doing it.
Travie wrote...
Michael Gamble wrote...
- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.
Sure, it is complete... except for this big piece that is being sold separately at release.
- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.
Wow that great! Since they rushed to get this finished I'm sure you'll give it away for free right?
Right?
Just in case that bit of sarcasm didn't get across,
I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all.
The game just went gold last week, you announced it remember?
<_<
Do you honestly think anyone believes you couldn't have put this in the game if you wanted to?
[*]That "to you" is well worth $20. To me (and many others), we bought the CE well in advance in large part due to the bonus character. Some of the other things, mostly the in-game stuff, had value to me, but the DLC put it over the top and made me buy it versus the SE. Don't assume that because you think it's worth $20 without the DLC that everyone agrees or that it's automatically true or accepted. Also, the SE is a complete game. Not having an optional character who will be there more as a walking codex will not change your ability to go kick some reaper ass and save the galaxy. What's more, once you play it, I'm guessing you'll be saying "wow, that wasn't so important after all. Good thing I ranted for 2 weeks prior to launch".wrdnshprd wrote...
Hammer6767 wrote...
wrdnshprd wrote...
ok. after seeing some more of the replies by bioware i wanted to respond.
basically bioware's justification for making this paid DLC is that the DLC team worked on it AFTER the completion of the original game, and this particular team just so happened to get everything done before launch.
well, thats all well and good. the problem is you are giving away the DLC to a portion of the playerbase (CE buyers), and requiring the rest of us 'normal' fans to spend an extra $10.
the reason this is an issue is because the SE version of the game is advertised to be the FULL VERSION. not ME 3 lite, the FULL VERSION. well obviously, this isnt the case is it. we have one version of the game where ALL CONTENT is accessible (CE), and one version where it is not (SE).
as far as im concerned, both versions should have the exact same content and be the exact same experience, with the CE having some different flavor items. things like vanity items, artwork, soundtracks, vanity pets, social clothes, etc are all fair game when it comes to CEs. thats why it costs an extra $20. but requiring a certain portion of the playerbase to buy actual missions/characters to get an equal experience - when the SE version is advertised to be an equal experience - is what myself and TB take issue with.
yes, TB talked at length about how he felt that this DLC took development time away from the regular game, when obviously it didnt..
however, for those that watched the vid, i hope people can infer he took even more issue with the fact that this DLC was excluded from the main game to be monetized. and sorry guys thats EXACTLY what happened.
there is ZERO reason why this DLC couldnt have been made new game incentive.. just like Zaeed and Shale were. but bioware/EA decided to monetize it instead. i, for one, think that is wrong and wont be supporting future games that do this.
The flaw with your logic is where you say they are just "giving it away to the people who bought CE." I purchased said CE version with the idea that I would be getting that character. I knew I was paying $20 more than people who bought the main game with the understanding that I would be getting this content. So, you only have to spend $10 more for the squadmate? So what? I spent $20 more.
right, and you also got all the following extras as well:that to me is well worth the $20.
- Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
- 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
- Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
- Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch.
- Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
- A full collection of in-game content that can't be found anywhere else!
- N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
- Robotic Dog - A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
- Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack - New appearances for your favorite squad members.
- N7 Hoodie - For Commander Shepard's casual days on board the Normandy.
- Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
- Xbox LIVE Normandy prop for your Avatar. (Available on Xbox 360 version only.)
- Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks.
also, as has been said a billion times.. the SE is supposed to be the full version of the game.. if a CE buyer gets access to a mission that a SE buyer has to pay extra for.. the SE buyer isnt getting the full version are they?
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