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[LivingHitokiri]

rainasa wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...




I never twisted any comments
neither made it  personal,but, alas  what does having to know someone or
even seen him/her in the past got to do with this ?

im sorry, but my god. And I thought my comments where badly spaced.

you need to break up quotes more

Im just trying to sepparate and answer each parts properly. I actually do not space my comments as they seem too look but for some reason they come out that way :S it is really unintentional.

[Raxxman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

FOR THE RECORD

Standard Edition = Full Game

Collector's Edition = Full Game + DLC

BOTH GET THE FULL GAME, ONE JUST GETS BONUS CONTENT

THE GAME IS STILL COMPLETE

You should really change the wording here.

SE = Core Game
CE = Core Game + DLC
Complete = game + all DLC after development cycle ends

[Daywalker315]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Travie wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Sure, it is complete... except for this big piece that is being sold separately at release.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

 

Wow that great! Since they rushed to get this finished I'm sure you'll give it away for free right?

Right?



Just in case that bit of sarcasm didn't get across,

I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all. 

The game just went gold last week, you announced it remember?

<_<

Do you honestly think anyone believes you couldn't have put this in the game if you wanted to?

You obviously don't understand how the certification process works, do you?

The game going gold means it passed certification.

They CANNOT add ANYTHING during that process.

Exactly. Going gold just means it passed certification and is off to have discs manufactured. The game was sent off for certification weeks before it went gold, which means all the content was finalized back in January that was going on the discs.

[ArkkAngel007]

LivingHitokiri wrote...
*snip

The way you worded it sounded like I had personally offended you or that you felt it was directed towards you as an individual.  I just wanted to make it clear that was not the case, and that I wasn't even familiar with you to be in the position so do in the first place.

And again, my post was specifically those who don't bother to even consider evidence.  That was not to group you or anyone on one side of the argument into some evil faction.  Because it's on both sides where people refuse to consider the other side or what is established (whether officially released or otherwise) facts.  It can't be argued that quite a few who posted on here did so just to further their anti-EA vendetta or to troll those who have an issue with the DLC.  Note: This is not the majority of those who posted here.  

The Prothean doesn't harm the game, ME3 specifically, at all.  Whether he is included or not is irrelevent, as he isn't a part of the main campaign.  Now as a whole regarding lore, yes, the Prothean being alive is important.  But in Mass Effect 3 is isn't.  That's how the game was written, and we can't change that.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to offend anybody, just was trying to make a point to drop a topic with certain individuals who continuously drive their opinion with incorrect information or is deeply flawed and refuse to take into account the effort some have made to at least notify them at what they are doing wrong so that they can improve their argument.

Edit: Point, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.  

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 04:52 .

[fropas]

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

FOR THE RECORD

Standard Edition = Full Game

Collector's Edition = Full Game + DLC

BOTH GET THE FULL GAME, ONE JUST GETS BONUS CONTENT

THE GAME IS STILL COMPLETE

You should really change the wording here.

SE = Core Game
CE = Core Game + DLC
Complete = game + all DLC after development cycle ends

 
Alas, ME will always always be incomplete b/c I lack the origin shotty  

[Travie]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Travie wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Sure, it is complete... except for this big piece that is being sold separately at release.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

 

Wow that great! Since they rushed to get this finished I'm sure you'll give it away for free right?

Right?



Just in case that bit of sarcasm didn't get across,

I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all. 

The game just went gold last week, you announced it remember?

<_<

Do you honestly think anyone believes you couldn't have put this in the game if you wanted to?

You obviously don't understand how the certification process works, do you?

The game going gold means it passed certification.

They CANNOT add ANYTHING during that process.

I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

[Acidrain92]

Ok here's the thing. This whole topic is based on the idea that either A: The Prothean is too important just because of the fact that he is a Prothean, and he should not have been cut out of the main game, and should be free. or B: The Prothean was never cut out of the game in the first place and the fact that he is part of a lost species isn't important enough for him to be necessary to ME3 as a complete game. "Its extra content for hardcore fans. You should pay for it."

its also split between those who A: Bought the CE. or B: didnt buy the CE and are now upset because of it.

Either way, nobody in here is going to have their opinion changed unless given substantial evidence that proves otherwise. In other words there is no use in debating this.

The CE buyers might have an opinion, but they are getting the DLC either way so its not as important to them, and thus they are more willing to just forget about shady business practices because they get what they paid for. The people who didn't buy the CE have a very evident bias against bioware because they ARENT getting what they want and will defend ANY WAY in which they will be able to get what they want.

basically its a debate between self entitled children. One side which is full of mommas boys and the other side which is made up of kids who went to the dentist after eating a bunch of candy and are having rants because they didnt get their lollypop.

of course there are a few inbetweeners who keep open minds and who dont blow this out of proportion, but thats another thing entirely.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 24 février 2012 - 04:54 .

[Squallypo]

DJBare wrote...

G3rman wrote...

What are you all trying to prove by posting these long arguments? Honestly this thread should have ended by now.

Just passing the time until game release, all these boycotters will be first in line

you know that is not true... and this is not ending any time soon and dont expect that to happen until EA/bioware makes an official announcement of this being for free for everyone. 

[PSUHammer]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Yes run away before you can make a further fool of yourself.

LOL.  You're right, you win.  Mercy.  

**EDIT **  I don't want to lower myself to insults so I am deleting the rest.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[msmpsn]

Travie wrote...



I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

Uh, because it wasn't finished?

[PSUHammer]

avmf8 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Genshie wrote...

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

235 pages. I hope this backfires on sales as well and they rethink the decision on something like that for future releases.

It won't. The only people that this has bugged are the loyal fans. This will not affect the sales of casuals or anyone who doesn't diliberatly search for information on ME3. That is why I think TB's boycott is both pointless and dumb. You shouldn't be boycotting a game you should be boycotting the method and market by not buying the dlc itself. Also it doesn't help that alot of responses from his video were people saying they were going to pirate the game. He is only fueling the fire nothing else.

The loyal fans are also equally divided as well.

I am a long time fan that wouldn't be afraid to legitimately call them out on somthing that was BS, but I find this whole day 1 DLC moanfest just that.

And as youve stated your opinion should be everybody elses too.Or its whining or a moanfest or people just must feel entitled.Your opion is right and everyone else who dissagrees is wrong.

No, I accept other's viewpoints but I expect them to be able to logically back them up and not resort to namecalling.  If that is the case, then yes, you are wrong.

No ypu don't and I was going to let you be but I am sick of reading your BS. You are nothing but a moron who buys everything he is told without question. Then calling people entitled how about you shut up? I would add allot more too this but a public forum will not let me post what I really want to. Just know it includes allot of insults and allot of bad language and possibly me insulting your mother.

Please do.  It's been entertaining so far.  In fact, you can PM me if you like.  And, for the record, I correctly called out ONE person's opinion as entitled.  In fact, I think it was borderline narcissistic.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 24 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[Travie]

If they just said 'we did this cynically to make more money for our company' (which is the obvious truth by the way), then this discussion would be over by now.

Agree or disagree at least they wouldn't be lying to us.

[DJBare]

Squallypo wrote...
you know that is not true... and this is not ending any time soon and dont expect that to happen until EA/bioware makes an official announcement of this being for free for everyone.

I know "some" will stick to their word and boycott, but I also know after reading the comments both here and other places many will not be truly boycotting, they won't have purchased but they will be playing the game.

[Heimdall]

msmpsn wrote...

Travie wrote...



I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

Uh, because it wasn't finished?

They hadn't even started development of it, they just had it planned out.

[aksoileau]

This dlc is not going to be free, time to move along because the vocal minority won't make it free. Sorry.

[fropas]

Travie wrote...

If they just said 'we did this cynically to make more money for our company' (which is the obvious truth by the way), then this discussion would be over by now.

Agree or disagree at least they wouldn't be lying to us.

No it wouldn't, people would just post about how "evil" BW is for making money off their "fans". . .

[Acidrain92]

Travie wrote...

If they just said 'we did this cynically to make more money for our company' (which is the obvious truth by the way), then this discussion would be over by now.

Agree or disagree at least they wouldn't be lying to us.

Oh wise one! Please teach me the ways of foresight and telepathy!

Modifié par Acidrain92, 24 février 2012 - 05:00 .

[LivingHitokiri]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...
*snip

The way you worded it sounded like I had personally offended you or that you felt it was directed towards you as an individual.  I just wanted to make it clear that was not the case, and that I wasn't even familiar with you to be in the position so do in the first place.

And again, my post was specifically those who don't bother to even consider evidence.  That was not to group you or anyone on one side of the argument into some evil faction.  Because it's on both sides where people refuse to consider the other side or what is established (whether officially released or otherwise) facts.  It can't be argued that quite a few who posted on here did so just to further their anti-EA vendetta or to troll those who have an issue with the DLC.  Note: This is not the majority of those who posted here.  

The Prothean doesn't harm the game, ME3 specifically, at all.  Whether he is included or not is irrelevent, as he isn't a part of the main campaign.  Now as a whole regarding lore, yes, the Prothean being alive is important.  But in Mass Effect 3 is isn't.  That's how the game was written, and we can't change that.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to offend anybody, just was trying to make a point to drop a topic with certain individuals who continuously drive their opinion with incorrect information or is deeply flawed and refuse to take into account the effort some have made to at least notify them at what they are doing wrong so that they can improve their argument.

Edit: Point, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.  

Same here,maybe i took way too agressive along with my disappointment in general and brought this misunderstanding between us, i apologies as well.

[Travie]

msmpsn wrote...

Travie wrote...



I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

Uh, because it wasn't finished?

It was announced AS DLC 7 months ago. 

They made it with the express purpose of selling it seperately instead of including it in the game.

They wanted to make money on it, and they are still pawning it off like its some happy coincidence that we get some extra content.

If they would just be honest about it people wouldn't get so riled up.

[rainasa]

Squallypo wrote...

DJBare wrote...

G3rman wrote...

What are you all trying to prove by posting these long arguments? Honestly this thread should have ended by now.

Just passing the time until game release, all these boycotters will be first in line

you know that is not true... and this is not ending any time soon and dont expect that to happen until EA/bioware makes an official announcement of this being for free for everyone. 

you know that its far too late for that sort of thing to happen right? they dont even have time to make the codes themselves let alone distribute it to millions of ME3 copies and are in the process of being shipped?

[Ghost-621]

EA/Bioware, you guys are so freakin' full of crap. Oh my goodness...you guys are so freakin' full of it.

You didn't "just finish" with this DLC. It was known about ever since the EA monkeys accidentally leaked "the prothean" during E3 2011.

Here a just a few other ways that I can prove you are lying out of your butt.

Zaeed was a day-one release, much like From Ashes, and it was free.

When the download for From Ashes is only a few KBs, it will prove that we are not downloading extra content, but a code that unlocks content that is already on the disk but locked due to nickle-and-diming protocol.

You're not fooling ANYONE.

[gabe2gg]

BaronIveagh wrote...

You know, I find it hilarious, both the people willing to swollow soem of the lies Bioware has been force to publish by EA AND the community reaction. Becasue, you know, they announced a DLC months ago, and they even called it The Prothean. And everyone dismissed it. Now that it's real, you're all having conniptions because they saw it would be controversial, and knew you would buy it, and so made it DLC so that Electronic conArts could squeeze you for a few dollars more. Gee, maybe if you had listened to the Baron when the Baron told you 'They're gonna hose us. We need to protest this and Origin now before the game goes Gold.' instead of claiming that your beloved Bioware would never do such a thing to you, I canceled my preorder months ago, and now, I can laugh at your feeble whining and say 'Well, I told you so!'

This, has EA really done anything good for their customers in the past 10 years?

[wrdnshprd]

Daywalker315 wrote...

<snip>

Your opinion is that the full experience requires the Prothean. If it's important to you, you have the option to buy it. The fact is, not everyone will feel that way. Some people have even expressed happiness that it will be DLC because they can avoid buying it, due to the fact that they don't even really want the Prothean to be a part of their story. No, I'm not making this up. There were a couple posts to this effect within all the hate of this thread somewhere. Something about elementary school story-telling and it being unnecessary, etc. I'm not all that stoked about it because from the people who read the story leaks, they have said it's not that important to the plot. So he'll be a walking codex I'll talk to a few times and unless he has badass abilities, he won't even be in my squad most of the time.

Multiplayer on the other hand, is a BLAST. I had very mediocre expectations but it's incredibly fun, especially with friends. If I had to choose between the Prothean or MP being in the main game or being DLC (or not making it into the game at all), I'd take MP every time. I will get hundreds of hours of enjoyment out of it, whereas the Prothean is non-essential to finishing my 4 Sheps.

let me ask you this.. would you be ok if they made Ashley or Liara the day 1 DLC instead of 'from ashes'?  if not, whats the difference? 

the fact that they have been an intregal part of the storyline since ME1?  so have the protheans. 

the fact that you developed your character around ashley/liara?  in a way you can say the same things about the protheans.  all you have to do is go back to shephard's first mssion in ME1 to see why this would be the case.

my point is, what content is, and is not important is subjective.  some may think the prothean is vital, some may care more about their ashley/liara storyline.   however, when you release a game and advertise it as a complete product.. you should actually release it as a complete product.  and when you exclude a certain piece of that content from a portion of your customer base in order to monetize it, you are going to upset customers.

i would have thought bioware would be above such things.  unfortunately, since warden's keep, im beginning to see that i was wrong.

[PSUHammer]

Travie wrote...

msmpsn wrote...

Travie wrote...



I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

Uh, because it wasn't finished?

It was announced AS DLC 7 months ago. 

They made it with the express purpose of selling it seperately instead of including it in the game.

They wanted to make money on it, and they are still pawning it off like its some happy coincidence that we get some extra content.

If they would just be honest about it people wouldn't get so riled up.

I think they pretty much said they wanted to make money on it.  I don't understand the point of contention.

[Heimdall]

Travie wrote...

msmpsn wrote...

Travie wrote...



I perfectly understand the certification process. 

Again, I don't believe in any way, shape, or form that they could not have included this in the full release.

The prothean squademate was leaked 7 MONTH AGO.

Uh, because it wasn't finished?

It was announced AS DLC 7 months ago. 

They made it with the express purpose of selling it seperately instead of including it in the game.

They wanted to make money on it, and they are still pawning it off like its some happy coincidence that we get some extra content.

If they would just be honest about it people wouldn't get so riled up.

They planned it in advance, so what?  They said they developed it later, they never said the Prothean wasn't something they had planned on doing as DLC after they removed him from the early script due to some poor story effects.  They are being honest.