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[Travie]

rainasa wrote...

Travie wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Don't kid yourselves. Demanding free content is just as selfish as a company selling an optional DLC.

Yeah its pretty selfish to ask for something they did twice before with no apparent loss of profit.

Using language like that doesn't help, expecially not you in making your point.

oh thats so rich coming from you....

anyway to post this for the 24 time in this thread, shale and the ceberus where not "free" in the way you are thinking, they where added to new copies so that people would not buy used copies, for ME3 the alliance network and multiplayer takes that spot, so they added it into the CE and as DLC, you may not like this desicion, and i dont care, they made a choice of which to include and it wasnt the one you wanted. deal with it.

Did I try to demean anyone or call them selfish? If I did please point it out and I'll apoligize. 

If it comes with a copy of the game then it is free. Is there another option but to buy it new at this point? If so please tell me.

...and I will deal with it, by playing the game without buying it (by playing a friend's copy) and denying them any of my money.

[wrdnshprd]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nepaliguru wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

let me ask you this.. would you be ok if they made Ashley or Liara the day 1 DLC instead of 'from ashes'?  if not, whats the difference? 

the fact that they have been an intregal part of the storyline since ME1?  so have the protheans. 

the fact that you developed your character around ashley/liara?  in a way you can say the same things about the protheans.  all you have to do is go back to shephard's first mssion in ME1 to see why this would be the case.

my point is, what content is, and is not important is subjective.  some may think the prothean is vital, some may care more about their ashley/liara storyline.   however, when you release a game and advertise it as a complete product.. you should actually release it as a complete product.  and when you exclude a certain piece of that content from a portion of your customer base in order to monetize it, you are going to upset customers.

i would have thought bioware would be above such things.  unfortunately, since warden's keep, im beginning to see that i was wrong.

There is an incredibly large difference between THE Protheans and A Prothean. Treating them as the same is not helping your argument.

Plus Ashley, Liara, and just about every other character in ME3 is vital to the narrative of the game, while the Prothean doesn't.  That was a writing choice that was made.  It's ok not to agree, but saying he is important on the basis of that you feel that he should be has no real ground.  

What's with all the logical fallacies in this thread anyways?  

whether the DLC was liara, ashley, a prothean, or conrad vernon (or whatever that npc' name was in ME1), its still content that was excluded from the SE.  it shouldnt matter what that DLC is, it should matter that it was excluded from the SE in the first place.

and regardless if 'from ashes' was made by the DLC team or not, bioware very easily could have made this DLC a new game incentive and saved themselves a lot of trouble.

[Daywalker315]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

Travie wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Travie wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Ghost, are you really serious? What do you think the 628MB download is? Secret unlockable Fornax magazines? Give me a break. Pieces of VO and things are on the disc due to being completed earlier in the process. The Eden Prime mission and other parts of the DLC were completed later and will be in the download. It's not hard to understand common sense if your mind isn't blocked off to it.

On that last point we agree completely. 

Anyone who thinks they were OH SO CLOSE to finishing it but JUST MISSED the certification process is just kidding themselves.

I'm not saying they were OH SO CLOSE, I'm saying it was never their intention to hit the certification with this. It was announced as CE day 1 DLC NINE MONTHS AGO! You understand that part, right? It was always planned as DLC, at least since that point nine months ago, so they were never shooting for the same certification date as the main game.

Thanks for making my point for me. They planned to make day 1 DLC and are trying to posit like they would have LOVED to have it as content, but they didn't have the development time.

If they just included this critical character free then noone would care.

Only recently did the EA PR machine catch up to this and start talking about seperate production teams, its all bullcrap.

It has to be plan , otherwise you couldn't do dlc at all.

Travie, Jessica Merizan just said this afternoon in the Reddit chat (paraphrase) that if this wasn't done as DLC then it wouldn't have happened at all. There was never a "let's rush and get it in the game" thing. The time and resources were budgeted in addition to making the core game. They felt the extra work that was put in to this PLANNED DLC (which has been advertised as a bonus to CE buyers for 9 months) should be available to everyone but at a price that helps them make money for their extra time spent making the content. It is their right and prerogative and to be honest, I respect them for working hard even after the game went off to certification to finish this so we can all enjoy it (if we want to) on our first playthrough.

[CommanderCoffee]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

[WizenSlinky0]

RaenImrahl wrote...

If you don't like how someone phrases something, ignore it or report it. Let's also avoid blanket generalities, please.

All moderators are...

...ohhohoho, I see what you did there. Trying to trap me. I see through you! YOU CAN'T HAVE MY HAMSTER!

[woods26]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

It's like a phoenix. Dies only to be reborn again!

[Gibb_Shepard]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Travie wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Don't kid yourselves. Demanding free content is just as selfish as a company selling an optional DLC.

Yeah its pretty selfish to ask for something they did twice before with no apparent loss of profit.

Using language like that doesn't help, expecially not you in making your point.

Friday: "Hey mom! can I please have bacon with my breakfast?" "yes dear."

Saturday: "Hey mom! can I please have more bacon with my breakfast?" "yes dear."

Sunday: "Hey mom. Can I have ten strips of bacon with breakfast this morning? Oh! With pancakes!" "Yes Dear. But you have to clean your room first if I am to go to that much effort." "YOU ****. YOU DONT LOVE ME. WAAAAAAAH. Big Brother got all that stuff for HIS breakfast!" "Thats because he already cleaned his room dear." "but but...ten strips of bacon are detrimental to my breakfast experience! thats not fair!"

A horrid analogy. My god.

[ArkkAngel007]

And the double posts set in...

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 05:43 .

[ArkkAngel007]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

I don't know, but its reached the point where the pages have begun to start glitching.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Hammer6767 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Orange Face wrote...

1 day...245 pages.... "Do the words political ****-storm mean anything to you?"

Well, I wouldn't go that far.  I haven't counted, but there can't be more than 100 people who have posted in this thread.  That is a far cry from the millions who will buy this game and don't care about this issue.  I am sure they are listening to the opinions here, but the vocal minority screaming the loudest isn't always right.

I think I've counted maybe 30 or so who actually are actively posting back and forth, some way more than others, with a few objective people in the middle.

I'm sure they are keeping an eye on us over this...it is a point of concern.  However, the insults and some of the more...unsavory...types make it hard for us to be taken seriously.

What we saw on Reddit should have happened here or have the potential of being done here.  Plain and simple.  But no, we can't have nice things.  And after the past few months, it's clear why.

Quite right...

After what happened to that poor woman who writes for Dragon Age, I wouldn't blame them one bit if they just shut down the forum altogether.  While it is great that we have the level of interaction with our game and media developers, these days, it can be a double edged sword.  I wouldn't want them changing things that only a vocal minority forum community is clammoring for.  They should listen and consider, but not make every concession.

Plus, there really are some horrible people out there posting garbage.

Now the people involved in that truly have no place society and should be locked up for that behavior.It's one thing to demand a re-write of a book or dlc content , it's another thing altogether call/post about somebody like that.

[Evilelf007]

nevar00 wrote...

I can't believe that the Bioware team truly believed a living Prothean was not vital or important enough to the whole lore and story of the Mass Effect universe to be anything more than a thrown-together DLC add-on.  

There's at least disappointment I can understand.  I agree, it would have been nice had a Prothean character been a little more important... but they decided to go a different direction after toying with that idea early on.  In the absence of that, I am at least glad they did make the little add-on just for coolness factor though.

Better a Prothean with a bit part, than no Prothean at all. 

[Acidrain92]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Travie, Jessica Merizan just said this afternoon in the Reddit chat (paraphrase) that if this wasn't done as DLC then it wouldn't have happened at all. There was never a "let's rush and get it in the game" thing. The time and resources were budgeted in addition to making the core game. They felt the extra work that was put in to this PLANNED DLC (which has been advertised as a bonus to CE buyers for 9 months) should be available to everyone but at a price that helps them make money for their extra time spent making the content. It is their right and prerogative and to be honest, I respect them for working hard even after the game went off to certification to finish this so we can all enjoy it (if we want to) on our first playthrough.

dont you know? thats obviously a lie *rolls eyes* apparently nobody can be trusted to speak truthfully anymore because they care so much about not being looked down upon by a minority on the internet.

Modifié par Acidrain92, 24 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[Raxxman]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware is loving this uproar guys. Those screaming bloody murder and screaming boycott are drawing casual fan's attention to the dlc. They may have not even considered the dlc before, but seeing how much uproar a few hard core fans are causing, they are much more likely to purchase it now.

All this uproar has done, is guarantee better sales of the very dlc you guys are railing against.

Bioware wins again!

Can't disagree more, this is a PR nightmare. The whole situation has backfired massively in BioWares face. Your implication is that casual fans are going to hear about the DLC and then make a choice about it. But this isn't how it's working. In my work I've already heard someone mention that BioWare aren't selling a complete game.

That's the general message going out to casuals. People on the fence about getting this game are being told not to bother.

The whole things a stinkstorm, and BioWare really should of known better. Round here people were just simmering down about the 'exclusive preorder content for everyone' which we don't get.

It's unquestionable that the response to Day 1 DLC is overwhelmingly negative, BioWare has been teetering on the edge about trying this for some time.

BioWare has ultimately lost this round, reputation does actually mean a lot, and the more the public image of BioWare goes from 'those guys who make good games' to 'those guys who try to milk their product from the start' the less inclined people are to take a leap of faith and buy a game when they're on the fence.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

Well damn. Time to get my popcorn and settle in.

[CitizenSnips]

Travie wrote...

rainasa wrote...

Travie wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Don't kid yourselves. Demanding free content is just as selfish as a company selling an optional DLC.

Yeah its pretty selfish to ask for something they did twice before with no apparent loss of profit.

Using language like that doesn't help, expecially not you in making your point.

oh thats so rich coming from you....

anyway to post this for the 24 time in this thread, shale and the ceberus where not "free" in the way you are thinking, they where added to new copies so that people would not buy used copies, for ME3 the alliance network and multiplayer takes that spot, so they added it into the CE and as DLC, you may not like this desicion, and i dont care, they made a choice of which to include and it wasnt the one you wanted. deal with it.

Did I try to demean anyone or call them selfish? If I did please point it out and I'll apoligize. 

If it comes with a copy of the game then it is free. Is there another option but to buy it new at this point? If so please tell me.

...and I will deal with it, by playing the game without buying it (by playing a friend's copy) and denying them any of my money.

Ah yes that'll show them that what they are doing is immoral. This right here, the stuff you just said, is a perfect example of selfishness. Also hypocrisy.

[CommanderCoffee]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

Well damn. Time to get my popcorn and settle in.

That's hilarious, I'm actually popping a bag right now!

[RaenImrahl]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Quite right...

After what happened to that poor woman who writes for Dragon Age, I wouldn't blame them one bit if they just shut down the forum altogether.  While it is great that we have the level of interaction with our game and media developers, these days, it can be a double edged sword.  I wouldn't want them changing things that only a vocal minority forum community is clammoring for.  They should listen and consider, but not make every concession.

Plus, there really are some horrible people out there posting garbage.

This is a liitle far afield for this topic, but it's an interesting observation.  Another take might be that, if one accepts that control of a medium (like a forum) invests the controller of that medium with power, then it would make more sense for Bioware to encourage comment where that power can be most effectively exercised.  The hegemony of communication.  Things usually go from bad to worse, from a power-holder's standpoint, when the message control is taken off-site (reddit, 4chan, etc.).

And there are many postive interactions which happen on this forum. In that spirit, again, I encourage all to keep the discussion from being personal.

Now back to your regularly scheduled conversation....

[Evilelf007]

Raxxman wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware is loving this uproar guys. Those screaming bloody murder and screaming boycott are drawing casual fan's attention to the dlc. They may have not even considered the dlc before, but seeing how much uproar a few hard core fans are causing, they are much more likely to purchase it now.

All this uproar has done, is guarantee better sales of the very dlc you guys are railing against.

Bioware wins again!

Can't disagree more, this is a PR nightmare. The whole situation has backfired massively in BioWares face. Your implication is that casual fans are going to hear about the DLC and then make a choice about it. But this isn't how it's working. In my work I've already heard someone mention that BioWare aren't selling a complete game.

That's the general message going out to casuals. People on the fence about getting this game are being told not to bother.

The whole things a stinkstorm, and BioWare really should of known better. Round here people were just simmering down about the 'exclusive preorder content for everyone' which we don't get.

It's unquestionable that the response to Day 1 DLC is overwhelmingly negative, BioWare has been teetering on the edge about trying this for some time.

BioWare has ultimately lost this round, reputation does actually mean a lot, and the more the public image of BioWare goes from 'those guys who make good games' to 'those guys who try to milk their product from the start' the less inclined people are to take a leap of faith and buy a game when they're on the fence.

Funny... I also know of a couple people who had not even touched any of the games yet, but they asked me today if I had heard about this issue.  Turns out the issue opened their eyes to the series, they did some looking into and have since already pre-ordered the game!

[bennyjammin79]

This reminds me of when ME2 was announced for PS3. One big, pointless circle-jerk.

[moonbal]

Outrageous and unacceptable.
Sure you can say that this DLC was done after the game was completed. So what? Game's not released yet. Add it. Or allow free download for customers who purchase any version of the game.

Developers releasing games short of 100% and making DLCs for profit is getting way out of hand. This is especially rampant in console games (Japanese games are notorious offenders).
This was done purely for profit. And I'd like to believe EA had a hand in this.

Was looking forward to ME3 for a long time. Been playing ME2 all over again in anticipation but I'll not be getting the game until price plummets so low that the profit to EA would be a non-factor. Shame shame..

[TheGoddess0fWar]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

Well damn. Time to get my popcorn and settle in.

That's hilarious, I'm actually popping a bag right now!

Sweet we can sit in the back and watch how far this thing explodes. I've never laughed so hard in my life. *pats my CE pre-order*

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware is loving this uproar guys. Those screaming bloody murder and screaming boycott are drawing casual fan's attention to the dlc. They may have not even considered the dlc before, but seeing how much uproar a few hard core fans are causing, they are much more likely to purchase it now.

All this uproar has done, is guarantee better sales of the very dlc you guys are railing against.

Bioware wins again!

Can't disagree more, this is a PR nightmare. The whole situation has backfired massively in BioWares face. Your implication is that casual fans are going to hear about the DLC and then make a choice about it. But this isn't how it's working. In my work I've already heard someone mention that BioWare aren't selling a complete game.

That's the general message going out to casuals. People on the fence about getting this game are being told not to bother.

The whole things a stinkstorm, and BioWare really should of known better. Round here people were just simmering down about the 'exclusive preorder content for everyone' which we don't get.

It's unquestionable that the response to Day 1 DLC is overwhelmingly negative, BioWare has been teetering on the edge about trying this for some time.

BioWare has ultimately lost this round, reputation does actually mean a lot, and the more the public image of BioWare goes from 'those guys who make good games' to 'those guys who try to milk their product from the start' the less inclined people are to take a leap of faith and buy a game when they're on the fence.

Funny... I also know of a couple people who had not even touched any of the games yet, but they asked me today if I had heard about this issue.  Turns out the issue opened their eyes to the series, they did some looking into and have since already pre-ordered the game!

And this will bring in new people who could care less about Prothean dlc , they just want enjoy the core game.

[WizenSlinky0]

Honestly, I really wish they'd just tack the extra costs onto the price of the game itself. At least the price of the game drops. DLC seems to perpetually cost the same no matter how much time passes. Really, really wish the price of DLC went down with the average cost of a new copy of the game.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Travie, Jessica Merizan just said this afternoon in the Reddit chat (paraphrase) that if this wasn't done as DLC then it wouldn't have happened at all. There was never a "let's rush and get it in the game" thing. The time and resources were budgeted in addition to making the core game. They felt the extra work that was put in to this PLANNED DLC (which has been advertised as a bonus to CE buyers for 9 months) should be available to everyone but at a price that helps them make money for their extra time spent making the content. It is their right and prerogative and to be honest, I respect them for working hard even after the game went off to certification to finish this so we can all enjoy it (if we want to) on our first playthrough.

dont you know? thats obviously a lie *rolls eyes* apparently nobody can be trusted to speak truthfully anymore because they care so much about not being looked down upon by a minority on the internet.

Unless you and the many fans who say it's a lie ever worked for or talked to a game developer/publisher who knows the process, it's pure speculation and it's ignorant. Period. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 05:50 .

[HighMoon]

Ooh, new outfits for everyone. I like. Hope we get to see them soon.