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[Corrik Ronis]

Well this is the day I feared when EA acquired Bioware. This is the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll no longer be playing ME3(this hurts me more than you know) and I've also taken the liberty of canceling both of my SWTOR accounts(this also pains me). I, well I'm disappointed in you Bioware. You have been my favorite development studio for years now. But this, and so many other things, are simply unacceptable to me. I'm a hair away from simply never playing another Bioware game again. Clean up your act Bioware.

[Morroian]

Atakuma wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

It's a no-win situation for Bioware now, regardless:

Either:

A) The Prothean won't do what people want him to do (HE'S THE ANSWER TO ALL OUR QUESTIONS) in which case people will say Bioware trampled the lore by not making him important enough.

or

He'll contribute to the lore, but NOT to the plot, in which case people will whine that he was DLC.

I feel sorry for Bioware.

This is their fault, I don't see any reason to feel sorry for them.

This, they could have done what they did with Sebastian but haven't.

[Dionkey]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

]IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

So...even if they have the ability to work on him while working on the main game, but they won't be able to finish in time for certification because they're focusing on the main game...you'd rather they just wait till a month later, rather than work on it then and there since they can allocate the resources?  Again, Stanley's post about DLC development answers all the questions...

>Allocate the resources.
Please, if this character was nearly finished and they couldn't get it on the disc, it should be free (at least for people who buy it new). Are you seriously going to charge people more because you couldn't get it pressed on the disc? Look at Zaeed, what was wrong with that? No one complained, they made that money back from thew new-game sales, and the gamers were all giddy.

[RiouHotaru]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!

Because you shouldn't pat $20 for day one DLC, because IT SHOULD NOT EXIST.

To be fair, what they're doing with ME3 is the 2005 image, only you remain the "expansion pack" as "DLC" and reduce the price from $30 to $10

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

I've never been bothered about DLC in games; this is the first time I've actually been disgusted.

A character based on the central lore should be part of the game for free due to its significance to the story; but they charge for it. If its ready for launch (certification be damned) it should be free for new copies like Zaeed was to encourage people to buy the game unused (at the very least). How can they charge for something this important?

and to say its created by a seperate team? they are all working for the same pay master, Bioware!.  Assiging a few people a task to create a character is no different to having an art department or programmers working on certain elements of the game.. poor.. poor excuse.

Because I've played the previous two and must experience the ending its not enough to stop me buying the game

But I totally understand and support anyone who'll boycott the game because of this. DLC has finally stepped over the line.

After DA2's copy and paste content and this shameful exploitation of fans at the last hurdle; the next time Bioware release a game I'll be taking a few steps back and waiting to see what they do; if its more of the same then ME3 will be the last game I purchase from them.

I have the N7 edition on order so I'll not miss out; but to assume "true fans" will already have that pre-ordered so it doesn't matter everyone else misses out is insulting..

Modifié par RiGoRmOrTiS_UK, 23 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Darji]

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

No one cares that you get extra stuff. Thats what DLC is all about. But people actually care that the stuff you get is actually a HUGE thing in the Mass Effect Universe.

Modifié par Darji, 23 février 2012 - 12:15 .

[Tazzmission]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

Because it shouldn't be DLC in the first place. The art book and soundtrack alone are worth the $20. It's CE owners who are the self entitled bunch not the standard edition guys and yet I myself ordered the CE.

i dont think im self entitled. if anything this is my thrid collectors edition i have ever bough with the other 2 beeing dead space 2 and mortal kombat


glad to see you think you know me and how i opperate

[Daywalker315]

Tazzmission wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

ME3Shepard wrote...

So if we already pre-ordered CE, we only miss out on the appearance pack for all squad mates right? we still get the new weapon?

um the armors are in the ce dude


feel free to watch the trailer for it

The CE armors are different from the "From Ashes" ones. And you don't miss out on anything ME3Shepard. CE will get appearance pack and gun from "From Ashes", in addition to the N7 weapon pack and squad appearance pack from CE.

um no its not. its pretty ovious the people who got the standard edition will be able to get the ce armors since mike basicly confirmed it with the prothean dlc.......

Read it. He clearly states they are separate from the CE appearance pack. He even emphasizes "for ALL squad mates" whereas the CE is only for Kaidan, Ashley, Vega, and Liara.

[saturos2]

El Ejcovero wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

How come everytime bioware "addresses" issues, they descend into chaos?

They are stupid? The discussion was nice and civilized before they locked the thread where the fire was burning, now they started their own thread, people who weren't involved are involved now, and they made the passions fly freely...

yet it is mildly entertaining. 

[didymos1120]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

We got 3 type of people here:
1- People crying because it's a dlc and it's a Protheans SO IT MUST BE IMPORTANT (in their mind)
2- People crying that it should not be a DLC but in the game
3- People who lol at #1 and 2

4- People who understand why other people don't like this and think people in category three are kinda jerks.

[LinksOcarina]

Bluumberry wrote...

Darji wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

No people who actually not care much about the story and just want to bang chicks or guys  dont care much about it.

The real fans should care.

You can't define a real fan. But if we're gonna use any definitions, I consider myself a real fan when I love the game despite hating shooters.

Just because I'm willing to spend money on something doesn't make me any less of a fan.

I support this DLC because it seems interesting, and I am a real fan. Real fans can support or remove support for anything they so choose, but don't generalize becuase it makes everyone look bad.

[RiouHotaru]

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

]IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

So...even if they have the ability to work on him while working on the main game, but they won't be able to finish in time for certification because they're focusing on the main game...you'd rather they just wait till a month later, rather than work on it then and there since they can allocate the resources?  Again, Stanley's post about DLC development answers all the questions...

>Allocate the resources.
Please, if this character was nearly finished and they couldn't get it on the disc, it should be free (at least for people who buy it new). Are you seriously going to charge people more because you couldn't get it pressed on the disc? Look at Zaeed, what was wrong with that? No one complained, they made that money back from thew new-game sales, and the gamers were all giddy.

Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

[N7Infernox]

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

It amazes me as to how much apathy the future CE owners have.

I'll laugh when you find out your preorder was misplaced. Then, you might understand.

[rumbalumba]

Tazzmission wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!

artbook, all the damn replicas in the world, soundtracks, etc. are all justifiable for Collector's Edition. why? because you like to collect anything Mass Effect-related.


a squadmate and a loyalty mission for the game? should NOT only be exclusive to Collectors. why? because a CE is for fans, a squadmate and a mission should be for everyone who wants to play the game and do not want to own figurines.


huge difference.

[DJBare]

Tazzmission wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!

I've pre-ordered the CE and I disagree, "software" has never been part of the package for me just a bonus, it's the hard items that interest me such as the art book and N7 patch, that's where my extra $20 went.

[Sidac]

Commodore Q wrote...

Modifié par Sidac, 23 février 2012 - 12:17 .

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

glad to see someone else say the same thing i said lastnight


cheers buddy!

Because you shouldn't pat $20 for day one DLC, because IT SHOULD NOT EXIST.

 Stop with that rediculous picture and reidculous argument not ALL day 1 DLC is cut from the game. Not even most of it is. Final Versions of games are put in place MONTHS before the release date, your all knowing attitude that you KNOW things are finished then and compltely removed and not only in state of partial completion just makes you and your entire argument foolish.

Personaly I think EA and Bioware should give you all exactly what you want and just cut it from the game entirely so it never exists at all.

[WeWant]

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

People who bought the CE are screwed because they are paying something that should be in the game, but still try to justify the +$20.

[AK404]

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

Not really, man.  What's troubling isn't this one particular instance, as bad as it may be.

The problem is what happens when Bioware and EA decide that they can pull this stunt with every single game they release.

I don't often agree with TB, but he had a point.  When ME2 first came out, I had multiple incentives to buy the game new, just as a game like Batman: Arkham City gave me a huge incentive to buy that game new.  I don't have a problem with that, at all: I ardently support developers who make good games by doing so in the first place.  Buying the game new means you're supporting the developer, not the retail store you bought it from; buying it used means that no money goes into the developer's pockets, and all of it goes to the store.

What I have a problem with is buying the game new, and then having the company charge me again (before the day of release, no less!) for more.  And this isn't cosmetic stuff, this is a central part of the culture of the ME universe.  So it came free with the Collector's Edition, fine.  What's to encourage someone else to buy a standard edition down the line?  Oh right, no incentives, and you're paying for the DLC either way, so...what's to stop them from saving a few bucks and buying it used?

[wrdnshprd]

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

i expect that when i pay FULL RETAIL PRICE for a game, i get *gasp* the full game..  not a partial game where stuff is cut out for monetization..  people may consider this 'entitlement'.. i consider it common sense.

and tbh, i know the dlc comes with the CE.. thats not the point.. the point is it should be included in the standard version of the game as well. .its how shale worked in DAO, and how Zaeed worked in ME2.. explain to me why 'from ashes' cant work the same way? 

'there are other customization items included as part of that..'

my response is: 'so separate that stuff out, and just include the prothean and eden prime mission in the standard version of the game, and make the customizati0n items exclusive.' 

problem solved.

i understand the CE has extra stuff.. thats what the cosmetic items, soundtrack, artwork, and the like are for.  i dont expect that kind of thing to be included with the main game..

however, i DO expect that regardless of the version you buy, you should get access to the full game as it was designed.  again, the CE should be for EXTRA stuff.. not main plot line stuff.. and sorry, i consider a prothean npc to be considered 'major plotline'.

all this is doing is alienating a large part of your fanbase..  as ive said many times.. if you are going to continue this type of thing with your future content.. you can count me out. 

the ONLY reason i am not boycotting this is because ive invested time in the story with the first two games.. i want to see the conclusion.  if this were the first game in the series, i wouldnt be purchasing the game.

[Daywalker315]

Tazzmission wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

People who bought the CE, like myself, are paying an extra $20 for our content. So why should this DLC not cost money?

Because it shouldn't be DLC in the first place. The art book and soundtrack alone are worth the $20. It's CE owners who are the self entitled bunch not the standard edition guys and yet I myself ordered the CE.

i dont think im self entitled. if anything this is my thrid collectors edition i have ever bough with the other 2 beeing dead space 2 and mortal kombat


glad to see you think you know me and how i opperate

I'm not entitled either. I'm just saying from a marketing standpoint they have been marketing the bonus character as a bonus for purchasing the CE for months now. I purchased it in large part due to that. Knowing that, a lot of CE buyers would feel slighted if they now gave that "CE bonus" character away free to anyone who buys the standard edition.

[ironcreed2]

PetrySilva wrote...

Eain wrote...

I really want people to understand what's going on. I realise that there are some children around here (and with that I mean actual children and thus people inexperienced in the ways of corporations, not intended as an insult in any way) who are simply trying to defend the people who produce their favourite games, but it's up to the rest of us who are older to explain how things are going to unfold.

If we allow EA to do this to us, then there will come a time where we pay 60 dollars for a barebone launch title and then fork out another 25 to 40 dollars for Day One DLC that gives us content that's been withheld from the launch disk for no other reason than that we allowed it.

Publishers don't care for the people buying their games, they care for the wallets their money is coming from. If you do not believe that, you are fooling yourself and I mean that in the least offensive way I possibly could. We all fool ourselves every now and then, and sometimes we run into something we enjoy so much that we just want to pretend there's nothing wrong, but trust me EA's head honcho's and shareholders are laughing themselves all the way to the bank if we let them.

Draw the line.

One game, one sale.

This. Some people are too naive.

I see how they are using emotion to make people buy that overpriced DLC: Prothean and Eden Prime? That should be enough to make old fans buy it.

What a low blow...

When in reality, that is the kind of fan service content that should have just been in the game in the first place. Instead, we have to pay for fan service content. As a gamer and fan of the series since day one, it is an insult.

[Drone223]

Thank you Michael for giving us the details, I have the N7 edition and looking foward to trying out the DLC

If people don't want to spend money on DLC then they shouldn't buy it simple

Modifié par Drone223, 23 février 2012 - 12:22 .