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[macdadams2]

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

[Heimdall]

nevar00 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

I can't believe that the Bioware team truly believed a living Prothean was not vital or important enough to the whole lore and story of the Mass Effect universe to be anything more than a thrown-together DLC add-on.  

There's at least disappointment I can understand.  I agree, it would have been nice had a Prothean character been a little more important... but they decided to go a different direction after toying with that idea early on.  In the absence of that, I am at least glad they did make the little add-on just for coolness factor though.

Better a Prothean with a bit part, than no Prothean at all. 

Are you the guy who I've talked back and forth with before?  If so I think the difference between the two of us is how much we consider the Protheans important.  Given how the Protheans were built up throughout the first two games, I think that a living Prothean, even if it has absolutely no impact on the Reaper plotline, brings overall enough change and backstory to the Mass Effect universe that it should be huge enough to have been in the game in the first place.  This is something that has been built up as quite important during the first two games: finding a living one, even if it is useless, should be huge.  You seem to think this should only be the case had Prothy been intertwined in the overall main storyline.

I just cannot see any way a living Prothean could be minor enough to be brushed to the side as DLC in the first place.  Imo the fact that he is alive is big enough to have been a definitive moment in the main game.  I think this is what some people are missing: had this been another Zaeed or Kasumi, there would have been no complaints outside of the same old 'day 1 DLC' grumblings.  And before anyone cries of self-entitlement, I'm getting the CE.  I still think this was either a really slimy business move planned a while ago, or a huge oversight on the part of Bioware.

As for your last comment, I'm not sure I completely agree.  I'd rather they put time in effort into him and not cheapen the moment.  But hey, I'm still excited either way. 

In the original script the Prothean was an integral part of the main plot, I gather.  But he was so important he overshadowed shepard, so he was cut.  The team decided it was too cool a concept to give up completely, so they worked on him as DLC and gave him a very minor role so as not to overshadow shepard.

[royard]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

Well, I proved it by supporting it with the evidence that you get significantly fewer biotic teammates (1 + kaidan) than tech teammates (garrus, tali, secret teammate #1 + kaidan).  And Prothy is in every single build there is, including the leak back in Nov and the official demo.  I believe it is self evident. 

If you don't buy these arguments, fine by me.  I'm not arguing the appropriate standards of forum post evidence with you. 

[CitizenSnips]

macdadams2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

So content that costs money for those who buy the CE should be free for those who buy the SE? How "discerning."

[Evilelf007]

nevar00 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

I can't believe that the Bioware team truly believed a living Prothean was not vital or important enough to the whole lore and story of the Mass Effect universe to be anything more than a thrown-together DLC add-on.  

There's at least disappointment I can understand.  I agree, it would have been nice had a Prothean character been a little more important... but they decided to go a different direction after toying with that idea early on.  In the absence of that, I am at least glad they did make the little add-on just for coolness factor though.

Better a Prothean with a bit part, than no Prothean at all. 

Are you the guy who I've talked back and forth with before?  If so I think the difference between the two of us is how much we consider the Protheans important.  Given how the Protheans were built up throughout the first two games, I think that a living Prothean, even if it has absolutely no impact on the Reaper plotline, brings overall enough change and backstory to the Mass Effect universe that it should be huge enough to have been in the game in the first place.  This is something that has been built up as quite important during the first two games: finding a living one, even if it is useless, should be huge.  You seem to think this should only be the case had Prothy been intertwined in the overall main storyline.

I just cannot see any way a living Prothean could be minor enough to be brushed to the side as DLC in the first place.  Imo the fact that he is alive is big enough to have been a definitive moment in the main game.  I think this is what some people are missing: had this been another Zaeed or Kasumi, there would have been no complaints outside of the same old 'day 1 DLC' grumblings.  And before anyone cries of self-entitlement, I'm getting the CE.  I still think this was either a really slimy business move planned a while ago, or a huge oversight on the part of Bioware.

As for your last comment, I'm not sure I completely agree.  I'd rather they put time in effort into him and not cheapen the moment.  But hey, I'm still excited either way. 

I think I recall we discussed the issue a bit yesterday around this time... I agree it would be nicer to see a larger character for sure, but I am glad that since that didn't work out, they did find a way to get him into the game.

I'm pretty damn sure this game is going to be off the charts awesome... above all else, I hope there aren't near as many break the immersion moments as me2 had with all the mission complete screens and loading screens.

[CitizenSnips]

royard wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

Well, I proved it by supporting it with the evidence that you get significantly fewer biotic teammates (1 + kaidan) than tech teammates (garrus, tali, secret teammate #1 + kaidan).  And Prothy is in every single build there is, including the leak back in Nov and the official demo.  I believe it is self evident. 

If you don't buy these arguments, fine by me.  I'm not arguing the appropriate standards of forum post evidence with you. 

Speculating is not proving. Also, it's a standard for any argument you are making.

[Novate]

Unfortunately I will still be buying ME3 because I wanted MY Shepard to have his full story.
But BIOWARE has forever lost me as an consumer. After what they did with SWTOR, and now with ME3, its just really bad practice. It just seems that they no longer cared about their consumer, but rather how much they can get from each fan before their fans realize whats happening.
I have no problems with CE editions contains an special squadmate or additional missions. Because they are usually not that important to the game as an whole. But A Prothean, really, how can it not be an Impact to the Universe that practically circles around them being such an Myserious beings.
Its just like when speculations of ME universe will contain Multiplayer, how many fans stood up and defended Bioware on how they will never add Multiplayer.
Its just the same now that everyone is defending Bioware saying that its not gonna be an important character at all. Well, they already got our money, regardless of whether or not this Prothean Squadmate is important and have a whole plot around him, we are the suckers because we will still pay for it. And all those that boycott the game will still buy it and pay $10 dollars.

Just imagine, if it was just another human or another alien that has no impact to the game, and because this is the last of the Trilogy, who would buy it. No wonder they cut this Character from the Core game and added it as an DLC. Just you wait, soon they will have another DLC with some Missions that should have been added, but oh, they didn't have enough time to finish, and probably will add more lore to the game and another extra ending.

[Heimdall]

macdadams2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

You've obviously missed the information from Bioware revealed in this thread (Actually it was on Reddit but it ended up on here).  All lore information the prothean tells you is available in the main game.

Selling a piece of DLC that was planned months ago but only developed after certification from the get go is not shady.  That some fans care so much about it does not make it shady.

[_symphony]

royard wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...
So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

Extra?  Don't make me laugh. 

If you didn't notice...there is only one teammate with full biotic abilities, Liara.   A lot of people won't have Kaidan in their playthrough.  So, for a lot of people, if they want to use a biotic that's not liara or shepard, they have to buy the DLC. 

In contrast, you have 3 tech teammates plus Kaidan, and 2 combat teammates.  So no, Prothy is not extra content.  A lot of the squad composition actually was planned around him. 

now... that's interesting.

[Evilelf007]

[quote]Lord Aesir wrote...

[/quote]In the original script the Prothean was an integral part of the main plot, I gather.  But he was so important he overshadowed shepard, so he was cut.  The team decided it was too cool a concept to give up completely, so they worked on him as DLC and gave him a very minor role so as not to overshadow shepard.
[/quote]
Yes, nobody is permitted to overshadow Sheppard!  This is Sheppard's story afterall, not anyone else's!

[DJBare]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

royard wrote...
I don't.  But can you provide any other reason why you get 1 biotic teammate plus kaidan but 3 tech teammate plus kaidan?  

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

An example of how to edit thus not building bloody great pyramids!

[woods26]

_symphony wrote...

royard wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...
So...when will this thread die again?

As long as people want extra content without paying for it, this thread will live.

Extra?  Don't make me laugh. 

If you didn't notice...there is only one teammate with full biotic abilities, Liara.   A lot of people won't have Kaidan in their playthrough.  So, for a lot of people, if they want to use a biotic that's not liara or shepard, they have to buy the DLC. 

In contrast, you have 3 tech teammates plus Kaidan, and 2 combat teammates.  So no, Prothy is not extra content.  A lot of the squad composition actually was planned around him. 

now... that's interesting.

Actually, it is. I didn't realize I'll only have one biotic. A little disappointing.

[Kreidian]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Alright someone go make the group. Let's do this. Settle in with your glasses and popcorn and watch everyone else scream bloody murder around you.

Let me know when the party starts, I'll be bringing my shiny CE box and a bag of popcorn.

[CitizenSnips]

DJBare wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

royard wrote...
I don't.  But can you provide any other reason why you get 1 biotic teammate plus kaidan but 3 tech teammate plus kaidan?  

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

An example of how to edit thus not building bloody great pyramids!

Aww but I like building those thread pyramids.

[JJDrakken]

[quote]Evilelf007 wrote...

[quote]Lord Aesir wrote...

[/quote]In the original script the Prothean was an integral part of the main plot, I gather.  But he was so important he overshadowed shepard, so he was cut.  The team decided it was too cool a concept to give up completely, so they worked on him as DLC and gave him a very minor role so as not to overshadow shepard.
[/quote]
Yes, nobody is permitted to overshadow Sheppard!  This is Sheppard's story afterall, not anyone else's![/quote]

Yah overshadowed, they realized people would want this person, decided to pull him out to force more money out of folks.  That's greed at it's finest.


JJ

[Kevin Lozandier]

Yuoaman wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

I can't believe that the Bioware team truly believed a living Prothean was not vital or important enough to the whole lore and story of the Mass Effect universe to be anything more than a thrown-together DLC add-on.  

There's at least disappointment I can understand.  I agree, it would have been nice had a Prothean character been a little more important... but they decided to go a different direction after toying with that idea early on.  In the absence of that, I am at least glad they did make the little add-on just for coolness factor though.

Better a Prothean with a bit part, than no Prothean at all. 

Are you the guy who I've talked back and forth with before?  If so I think the difference between the two of us is how much we consider the Protheans important.  Given how the Protheans were built up throughout the first two games, I think that a living Prothean, even if it has absolutely no impact on the Reaper plotline, brings overall enough change and backstory to the Mass Effect universe that it should be huge enough to have been in the game in the first place.  This is something that has been built up as quite important during the first two games: finding a living one, even if it is useless, should be huge.  You seem to think this should only be the case had Prothy been intertwined in the overall main storyline.

I just cannot see any way a living Prothean could be minor enough to be brushed to the side as DLC in the first place.  Imo the fact that he is alive is big enough to have been a definitive moment in the main game.  I think this is what some people are missing: had this been another Zaeed or Kasumi, there would have been no complaints outside of the same old 'day 1 DLC' grumblings.  And before anyone cries of self-entitlement, I'm getting the CE.  I still think this was either a really slimy business move planned a while ago, or a huge oversight on the part of Bioware.

As for your last comment, I'm not sure I completely agree.  I'd rather they put time in effort into him and not cheapen the moment.  But hey, I'm still excited either way. 

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

You as a fan see this highly valuable obviously; however, if you only played ME2, you wouldn't reallly care about a prothean squadmate I think. Why can't Collector Edition of games be awesome to have content that will make a long-time fan excited, why can't Uncut content not be in a Collector's Edition or Special edition in a package that long-time fans would appreciate?

The Prothean, a mission where the original game began, addition skins that are likely tribute to earlier conceptions of squadmates (from earlier games or the art book) are perfect content for long-time fans to relish in a CE. 

Especially the Eden Prime part, would only make sense to ME1 players which isn't even on PS3, mind you. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[macdadams2]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

So content that costs money for those who buy the CE should be free for those who buy the SE? How "discerning."

Once again I've got to go back to Zaeed. Pretty much makes my point on its own. Most people who reserved the CE back in the fall didn't realize that they were getting extra in game content, beyond bonus weapons and pets.  I strongly believe that the CE has been more about the "feelies."  Physical bonuses in the box.  Why should I get a more complete game? 

Even if you don't agree with me, there is a very large amount of people who do.  I think that Bioware should tread a little more lightly with how they are percieved.  They have a lot of long time fans that remember times when things were different.

[Heimdall]

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

So content that costs money for those who buy the CE should be free for those who buy the SE? How "discerning."

Once again I've got to go back to Zaeed. Pretty much makes my point on its own. Most people who reserved the CE back in the fall didn't realize that they were getting extra in game content, beyond bonus weapons and pets.  I strongly believe that the CE has been more about the "feelies."  Physical bonuses in the box.  Why should I get a more complete game? 

Even if you don't agree with me, there is a very large amount of people who do.  I think that Bioware should tread a little more lightly with how they are percieved.  They have a lot of long time fans that remember times when things were different.

You don't get  more complete game, you get a complete game with extras.

[_symphony]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.

We will know soon enough when the game is released, however, even without proof royard's argument is pretty convincing, there's a lack of biotics in your squad and if I have to guess Prothy is going to be a biotic.

Modifié par _symphony, 24 février 2012 - 06:32 .

[macdadams2]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

I can't believe that the Bioware team truly believed a living Prothean was not vital or important enough to the whole lore and story of the Mass Effect universe to be anything more than a thrown-together DLC add-on.  

There's at least disappointment I can understand.  I agree, it would have been nice had a Prothean character been a little more important... but they decided to go a different direction after toying with that idea early on.  In the absence of that, I am at least glad they did make the little add-on just for coolness factor though.

Better a Prothean with a bit part, than no Prothean at all. 

Are you the guy who I've talked back and forth with before?  If so I think the difference between the two of us is how much we consider the Protheans important.  Given how the Protheans were built up throughout the first two games, I think that a living Prothean, even if it has absolutely no impact on the Reaper plotline, brings overall enough change and backstory to the Mass Effect universe that it should be huge enough to have been in the game in the first place.  This is something that has been built up as quite important during the first two games: finding a living one, even if it is useless, should be huge.  You seem to think this should only be the case had Prothy been intertwined in the overall main storyline.

I just cannot see any way a living Prothean could be minor enough to be brushed to the side as DLC in the first place.  Imo the fact that he is alive is big enough to have been a definitive moment in the main game.  I think this is what some people are missing: had this been another Zaeed or Kasumi, there would have been no complaints outside of the same old 'day 1 DLC' grumblings.  And before anyone cries of self-entitlement, I'm getting the CE.  I still think this was either a really slimy business move planned a while ago, or a huge oversight on the part of Bioware.

As for your last comment, I'm not sure I completely agree.  I'd rather they put time in effort into him and not cheapen the moment.  But hey, I'm still excited either way. 

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

You as a fan see this highly valuable obviously; however, if you only played ME2, you wouldn't reallly care about a prothean squadmate I think. Why can't Collector Edition of games be awesome to have content that will make a long-time fan excited, why can't Uncut content not be in a Collector's Edition or Special edition in a package that long-time fans would appreciate?

The Prothean, a mission where the original game began, addition skins that are likely tribute to earlier conceptions of squadmates (from earlier games or the art book) are perfect content for long-time fans to relish in a CE. 

Especially the Eden Prime part, would only make sense to ME1 players which isn't even on PS3, mind you. 

This is stupid.  You are basically implying that the long time fans should be taken advantage of.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

You've obviously missed the information from Bioware revealed in this thread (Actually it was on Reddit but it ended up on here).  All lore information the prothean tells you is available in the main game.

Selling a piece of DLC that was planned months ago but only developed after certification from the get go is not shady.  That some fans care so much about it does not make it shady.

The Prothean, a mission where the original game began, addition skins that are likely tribute to earlier conceptions of squadmates (from earlier games or the art book) are perfect content for long-time fans to relish in a CE. 

Considering the fact that ME1 is not on PS3, I think that it would have made it very confusing for a mere ME2 to add him in the main game given that situation; in my opinion.

Nonetheless, it's a great CE that's definitely one that long-time fans can admire having additional in-game content that immediately seems awesome. 

[Daywalker315]

royard wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Travie wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Travie, Jessica Merizan just said this afternoon in the Reddit chat (paraphrase) that if this wasn't done as DLC then it wouldn't have happened at all. There was never a "let's rush and get it in the game" thing. The time and resources were budgeted in addition to making the core game. They felt the extra work that was put in to this PLANNED DLC (which has been advertised as a bonus to CE buyers for 9 months) should be available to everyone but at a price that helps them make money for their extra time spent making the content. It is their right and prerogative and to be honest, I respect them for working hard even after the game went off to certification to finish this so we can all enjoy it (if we want to) on our first playthrough.

Well I'm glad you can still have faith in them after all this. I honestly envy you that. 

When it comes to EA after all this time and all this PR spin, I can't bring myself to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

While I may not be completely sold on EA as a whole these days, I still have faith in BioWare because despite whatever else, they still deliver games I enjoy playing. That's the bottom line for me in all this. ME1 and ME2 have been a continuation of a story (much of my choosing, which is unique) that is quite possibly my favorite of any game or series I've ever played. I expect the 3rd game to be the culmination of all that enjoyment and entertainment.

That is enough for me and truth be told it should be enough for any real fan of the series IMO.

Well, I'm still buying the game, CE no less.  However, I might be am less inclined to buy a future one.  I feel like bioware is trying to hold me up here (by offering stuff I want at a high price), and I don't like this feeling.  Maybe it's just me, but i don't think so. 

They're not doing anything to YOU because you were smart and knew you wanted the extra content, physical items, in-game items, etc., and ordered the CE. The CE was always stated to have a bonus character and mission day 1 DLC since 9 months ago so I don't feel bad for SE people having to pay $10 if they want it.

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Thats the problem with DLC its price never goes down. You can buy Mass Effect for $15 from Amazon and Mass Effect 2 for $15 (these are the PC digital versions which do not take up shelf space)

Thats dirt cheap and such a bargain price, yeat the DLC still costs $2-$10. There lies the problem. In 6 months time you could grab it for $30-40 USD brand new and guess what the DLC price does not go down.

It's. Optional.

Your. Missing. The. Point.  

I might add that I have the CE.  Even as someone who will get the DLC free, I still believe this is not right.  Customer perception is everything, and this comes off as shady shady.

How so?

This was in the cards since the CE was announced 9 months ago. It could have made it in the game. Or at the least could have been in the game as an "online pass" situation a la zaeed when ME2 came out to discourage used game sales, which can at least be sort of justified.

However to come up with content that is EXTREMELY important lore wise, with the intent of releasing it at the same time as the "complete" game is shady. A 60$ dollar game just because 70$. And non discerning consumers say "well its optional." Well yes of course it is.  At the expense of loyal fans who may be on a budget.  Hell, it's disrespectful even to those who aren't. 

So content that costs money for those who buy the CE should be free for those who buy the SE? How "discerning."

Once again I've got to go back to Zaeed. Pretty much makes my point on its own. Most people who reserved the CE back in the fall didn't realize that they were getting extra in game content, beyond bonus weapons and pets.  I strongly believe that the CE has been more about the "feelies."  Physical bonuses in the box.  Why should I get a more complete game? 

Even if you don't agree with me, there is a very large amount of people who do.  I think that Bioware should tread a little more lightly with how they are percieved.  They have a lot of long time fans that remember times when things were different.

You don't get  more complete game, you get a complete game with extras.

Extras would be skins, weapons, etc.  This is incredibly important to the ME universe and the story experience the player recieves. I don't understand whats so hard about this. Maybe I just come from a different generation or something. 

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