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TheGoddess0fWar

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_symphony wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Hop in the band wagon CE people!
http://social.biowar...arch=&p=2#group

didn't the mod pointed out that this is offtopic? is starting to irk me people rubbing off in everybody faces their CE buys


I'd give an intelligent response but....nah!

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Evilelf007 wrote...

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!


Yep. The problem with this DLC is that it's too interesting.

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Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

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Or, in other words, they have an excessive sense of self-entitlement. "I want it so I DEMAND it to be free because you owe me for buying your game!!"


Nobody is saying that at all. The argument is that it should have been included with the game, so we wouldn't have to say they 'owed' us anything. Using a buzzword like 'entitlement' doesnt help your argument any by the way.

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Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.


Like a charm.

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Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

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aLucidMind wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!


Or, in other words, they have an excessive sense of self-entitlement. "I want it so I DEMAND it to be free because you owe me for buying your game!!"


That isn't the argument at all, I'm already getting it with my CE, others should have the chance to experience something that's such a big part of the lore without paying extra money.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

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And now you are implying that the prothean squad mate was common knowledge.

For those following the game closely, especially on these boards, it wasn't easy to miss...

it is easy to miss, especially if you're trying to avoid spoilers, and there was no confirmation whatsoever until a few days ago.

I've known for months and that was quite by accident.

your case, in my case I suspected something but I didn't know there was going to be a prothean squadmate until now, much less to know it wasn't going to be in the main game, because, hey! is a fricking prothean, there's no way he isn't going to be in the main game, right?!

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aLucidMind wrote...

Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

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<.< Of course. TIM is always right. Amirite?

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Yuoaman wrote...
That isn't the argument at all, I'm already getting it with my CE, others should have the chance to experience something that's such a big part of the lore without paying extra money.


Something's missing there.

Why should they?

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Yuoaman wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!


Or, in other words, they have an excessive sense of self-entitlement. "I want it so I DEMAND it to be free because you owe me for buying your game!!"


That isn't the argument at all, I'm already getting it with my CE, others should have the chance to experience something that's such a big part of the lore without paying extra money.


I think they should have to pay extra--seeing as I have to as well.

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Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.


And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

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I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 février 2012 - 06:58 .


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This is bull****, and the people at Bioware are liars.Just like with Shale in Dragon Age Origins you claim it was done after the complete game was done. Yet Shale had complete dialog options and interactions with other characters as well, meaning the dialog was written during development. But yet it was supposed to be created completely outside of the main game. I bet the same is true for this character, right?

At least Zaeed in Mass Effect 2 was put in the Cerberus Network to entice us to buy the game new. That's good, as it was available to everyone who bought the game new. But in order to get this character, who is integral to the story (he is a Prothean, the kind of character integral to the whole story), only people who buy the Collector's Edition and pay 20 dollars more can get it. And lo and behold it's sold out and you can only get it online. So if we don't want to get it online, we're screwed. So not everyone can get the game, even ones who bought new, only the ones who want to lay down $80 on the game.

Screw you guys, this is underhanded and unfair. I didn't preorder because I wanted to see what crap you guys would pull this time. I was correct to do that, and I'll probably wait until the Complete Edition finally rolls out in a year. Ever since you've been bought by EA you've made bad decision after bad decision.


Or you can buy the DLC for $10 if you want him. You don't HAVE to have the Collector's Edition. And the PROTHEANS might be important to the overall lore of the series but this one single PROTHEAN won't be integral to finishing the main story of ME3 and kicking Reaper ass. Will he have some dialogue that gives some Prothean history? Sure. Single extra bonus mission? Yes. As far as the dialogue goes, if you want to hear all the Prothean history lesson goodies you can go onto YouTube the day after release and watch it. Somebody will post it after all this nonsense about it.

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Let's look at this in a story perspective: This is allowing a fantasy only long-time fans could appreciate that they felt was unfit, could not fit, or be a distraction to the story (featuring our Shepards) they wanted to tell for ME3 that simultaneously would certaintly confuse PS3 ME2 players who couldn't play ME1.

It makes reasonable sense to be in the Collector's Edition + being able to go to Eden Prime again? How would that make sense in the main story given the decision long ago for ME2 be on PS3 as well but ME1 can't?

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RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.


And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.


I know he isn't a big deal, I know he's just a soldier who isn't going to shatter your worldview with new information. But he's still a goddamn Prothean with insight that many fans who appreciate the series' rich backstory will really enjoy.

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Raxxman wrote...

Complete

having all parts or elements; lacking nothing; whole; entire; full: a complete set of Mark Twain's writings.
Stop with the complete nonsense, you don't know the meaning of the word.

Core is the word you're looking for

Core

the central, innermost, or most essential part of anything.

The state of eduction these days...


Actually in this case the terms are roughly interchangable.  The game IS complete, it's not lacking anything.  Not has been left out or omitted.

The Prothean is BONUS content.  If the main game is 100/100, than the DLC makes the game 110/100

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Yuoaman wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!


Or, in other words, they have an excessive sense of self-entitlement. "I want it so I DEMAND it to be free because you owe me for buying your game!!"


That isn't the argument at all, I'm already getting it with my CE, others should have the chance to experience something that's such a big part of the lore without paying extra money.

I agree to some extent, but it isn't free. The people I was directing that at are the ones who think they deserve it just because they want it. While I would prefer it to be free, I wholly understand the reason behind it and have no problem with it because it is a business.

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Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

I'll be honest as well... the main reason why I've been posting in this thread... it's been a great time waster!  Feeds the mind's hunger for ME3 discussion, and passes the time by pretty damn quickly!  March 6th here we come!

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_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

And now you are implying that the prothean squad mate was common knowledge.

For those following the game closely, especially on these boards, it wasn't easy to miss...

it is easy to miss, especially if you're trying to avoid spoilers, and there was no confirmation whatsoever until a few days ago.

I've known for months and that was quite by accident.

your case, in my case I suspected something but I didn't know there was going to be a prothean squadmate until now, much less to know it wasn't going to be in the main game, because, hey! is a fricking prothean, there's no way he isn't going to be in the main game, right?!

It's been leaked multiple times and there were several weeks where it was impossible to go to the forum without a thread title with Prothean in it.  Frankly, if you've really been on these boards often, I think it's semi-miraculous you didn't know :mellow:

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AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.


Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
That isn't the argument at all, I'm already getting it with my CE, others should have the chance to experience something that's such a big part of the lore without paying extra money.


Something's missing there.

Why should they?


Do you work for the man!?

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Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!


Nailed it.

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i want the damn game already! wait is killing me