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[CitizenSnips]

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

I know he isn't a big deal, I know he's just a soldier who isn't going to shatter your worldview with new information. But he's still a goddamn Prothean with insight that many fans who appreciate the series' rich backstory will really enjoy.

And he is available for purchase.

[Heimdall]

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

I know he isn't a big deal, I know he's just a soldier who isn't going to shatter your worldview with new information. But he's still a goddamn Prothean with insight that many fans who appreciate the series' rich backstory will really enjoy.

See, I respect you, but it sounds like your saying this DLC should be free because it is really interesting DLC...  Which sounds like a horrible business practice.    Give away your best products?

[macdadams2]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!

Nailed it.

Someone is forgetting about Zaeed, and the differences between the two.

[_symphony]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

Modifié par _symphony, 24 février 2012 - 07:03 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

No offense, but Director's Cut content doesn't come out of thin air; it was usually made when the parts of the film you did see on theaters was shot. SOMETIMES they shoot again afterwards if they feel some deleted scenes needed continouation to make sense. This is FACT.

Plus your argument is flawed. The Prothean and Eden parts you can say for certain are 'official' versions of Mass Effect 3; therefore I suggest you rethink what you're saying.


Just like most deleted scenes of films, Directors try sometimes to add it in the story or shoot it for an alternate take to perhaps revisit during the development of the movie. It's not far-fetched that this happened here. They tried to integrate this prothean, and it couldn't happen: Either it lessened the story of Shepard, it felt forced (trying too hard to have the Prothean have a role), it made the story less bleak, or gave off an emotion in the story that was not desired, and so forth. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:07 .

[KBomb]

And the second team takes their position!

[RiouHotaru]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

[Daywalker315]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

That's your perception. I understand that companies have had to find new revenue streams with piracy and used game sales, so DLC and online passes have become the norm. Tell your perception to a game like Gears 3, which had something like $90 worth of DLC available day 1. Weapon skins and so forth. Other games that have map packs or gun packs or whatever available either day 1 or so shortly thereafter that if it was BSN they would be crying "this had to have been done months before the game launched, why isn't it on the disc?!"

Bottom line, for something that was advertised as a CE bonus for the last 9 months, one $10 optional DLC item on day one is not THAT big a deal.

[macdadams2]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

No offense, but Director's Cut content doesn't come out of thin air; it was usually made when the parts of the film you did see on theaters was shot. SOMETIMES they shoot again afterwards if they feel some deleted scenes needed continouation to make sense. This is FACT.

This was intended for the game back before this was "shot."   This is about MONEY. The argument is about whether it is scrupulous or not.

[Sleepdribble]

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

I know he isn't a big deal, I know he's just a soldier who isn't going to shatter your worldview with new information. But he's still a goddamn Prothean with insight that many fans who appreciate the series' rich backstory will really enjoy.

Hey, from the way you talk, I think you'd really enjoy the DLC. You should buy it.

[_symphony]

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

I just keep holding my calendar and crying at how slowly the days are passing.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Sleepdribble wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

This. A Prothean, any Prothean, shakes up the status quo of the universe in a monumental way - it's silly to limit who gets to experience such a huge thing.

And I will laugh when people expecting him to be some kind of world-shaking character have their hopes dashed because he's really NOT such a big deal.

I know he isn't a big deal, I know he's just a soldier who isn't going to shatter your worldview with new information. But he's still a goddamn Prothean with insight that many fans who appreciate the series' rich backstory will really enjoy.

Hey, from the way you talk, I think you'd really enjoy the DLC. You should buy it.

He probably has the Collector's Edition like I do, and it honestly makes the CE completely worth it; which most CE of games don't do well for fans of the series that offer them.

[Tazzmission]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I just keep holding my calendar and crying at how slowly the days are passing.

slowly? to me it feels like its coming faster honestly.


what you should do is not look at the calendar that way it will go by fast for you

[RiouHotaru]

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

[CommanderCoffee]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I just keep holding my calendar and crying at how slowly the days are passing.

I'm going to alternate between classes and work, reading this thread, and watching LPs.

Maybe some Civ.

[Evilelf007]

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The only way a movie released in theaters would work... is if you are talking about seeing it in 3d or 2d when it's showing in both formats.

The Prothean dlc would be the same movie in 3d, without the dlc it's the same movie, but in 2d.  Still very complete story, just without the extra fluff.

[DJBare]

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

[Daywalker315]

macdadams2 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!

Nailed it.

Someone is forgetting about Zaeed, and the differences between the two.

Two things:

1. Zaeed was part of the Cerberus Network designed to promote new copy sales. This has been replaced by the online pass for multiplayer for ME3. Whether you like it or not, that's what it is.

2. Zaeed sucked. Zero dialogue for "chatting" and an admittedly decent loyalty mission, but still not what I'd call premium top-notch content. Kasumi's mission was more unique and she at least offered lots of little comments and insights about you and the crew. By all accounts, there will at least be a lot more dialogue available with this DLC, making it at the very least as premium of content as Kasumi was ($7 download).

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 07:11 .

[Evilelf007]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I just keep holding my calendar and crying at how slowly the days are passing.

I keep looking at the ME3 countdown app on my android phone!  lol

[ForceXev]

_symphony wrote...
That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

You know, now that I think about it, a Prothean character is kinda dumb.  I mean, one of the great things about the Protheans is that they are mysterious, ancient, and a little otherworldly.  Now we'll have one hanging out in the engine room doing calibrations?  Whatever this character reveals can't be that important since it's DLC, and that further marginalizes the importance of the Protheans and this character.

I might just be trying to convince myself that it's OK to play ME3 without the Prothean, but maybe the game really will be better off without it.

[Kevin Lozandier]

RiouHotaru wrote...

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

Uh.... what about Samara? Thane? Wrex? Jack? Miranda? Must I go on? 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:12 .