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[_symphony]

Lord Aesir wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

_symphony wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

And now you are implying that the prothean squad mate was common knowledge.

For those following the game closely, especially on these boards, it wasn't easy to miss...

it is easy to miss, especially if you're trying to avoid spoilers, and there was no confirmation whatsoever until a few days ago.

I've known for months and that was quite by accident.

your case, in my case I suspected something but I didn't know there was going to be a prothean squadmate until now, much less to know it wasn't going to be in the main game, because, hey! is a fricking prothean, there's no way he isn't going to be in the main game, right?!

It's been leaked multiple times and there were several weeks where it was impossible to go to the forum without a thread title with Prothean in it.  Frankly, if you've really been on these boards often, I think it's semi-miraculous you didn't know

I have been avoiding spoilers, I didn't touch any spoiler-ish threads or the spoiler allowed forums. Why is so hard to believe? I don't read every thread here.

[macdadams2]

Daywalker315 wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I disagree. It's long-term fans who are willing to give a little extra back to BioWare getting rewarded with this. Most people on here are trying to say that the CE shouldn't have this and that the physical items and other things besides the DLC are worth the extra $20 as it is, so they should cut out the DLC. That's just ridiculous. It's been advertised as a bonus for CE for 9 months. I bought it in large part due to that. The other in-game CE items are decent but the character and mission sold me on it.

I'm not saying that all serious or long-term fans ordered a CE but I agree with BioWare's stance that MANY of us did. Tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of CEs I'm sure were preordered. That constitutes "many", I think. To the rest who would like to dive more into the lore or find it important to have, they can order it for half what we paid extra for our complete CE package, which seems like a fair deal to me.

In otherwords, people thought the dlc would be something like Kasumi, and thus didn't want to spend the extra.  Now that they know it's a Prothean, not only do they want the extra, they feel they shouldn't have to pay for it because... well... it's a Prothean!

Nailed it.

Someone is forgetting about Zaeed, and the differences between the two.

Two things:

1. Zaeed was part of the Cerberus Network designed to promote new copy sales. This has been replaced by the online pass for multiplayer for ME3. Whether you like it or not, that's what it is.

2. Zaeed sucked. Zero dialogue for "chatting" and an admittedly decent loyalty mission, but still not what I'd call premium top-notch content. Kasumi's mission was more unique and she at least offered lots of little comments and insights about you and the crew. By all accounts, there will at least be a lot more dialogue available with this DLC, making it at the very least as premium of content as Kasumi was ($7 download).

It would seem that timing is irrevelant to a lot of people, and very relevant to others. Which makes it, well, relevant.

[Anaeme]

Bioware has not released a game recently without a major Fiasco to accompany it...

Once a game is ready to ship they do not fail to infuriate their customers with some awful business ethic

[T_l_M_B_0]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

I just keep holding my calendar and crying at how slowly the days are passing.

Exactly this for me.

Can't wait for March 6th, so I can pick up this DLC as soon as it is available and go do some crazy space-shenanigans with my main man Prothy

This thread has been a good time waster though. Been anything that makes time not feel as long is great lol Perhaps I could borrow Prothy's statis pod (if thats what he is in) and sleep until the 6th?

[Kreidian]

_symphony wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Hop in the band wagon CE people!
http://social.biowar...arch=&p=2#group

didn't the mod pointed out that this is offtopic? is starting to irk me people rubbing off in everybody faces their CE buys

Understandable, but then your words do somewhat speak to the issue some people are having. SE owners feel somehow slighted, that they're not getting the cool stuff that CE owners are. And now you feel that CE owners are rubbing it in your face?

But that whole premise is wrong. I can understand wanting more, but the CE owners paid for it, the SE owners did not. That's really the only difference. Everything else simply boils down to a false sense of entitlement.

If you feel that strongly about it, buy the CE edition, then you too can feel special.

[Kevin Lozandier]

ForceXev wrote...

_symphony wrote...
That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

You know, now that I think about it, a Prothean character is kinda dumb.  I mean, one of the great things about the Protheans is that they are mysterious, ancient, and a little otherworldly.  Now we'll have one hanging out in the engine room doing calibrations?  Whatever this character reveals can't be that important since it's DLC, and that further marginalizes the importance of the Protheans and this character.

I might just be trying to convince myself that it's OK to play ME3 without the Prothean, but maybe the game really will be better off without it.

That may be EXACTLY why he's not in the main game outside of the simulataneous situation that he would confuse PS3 players that had zero access to Mass Effect 1 to fully appreciate the importance of Protheans....

It's a great fantasy to fight the Reapers with a Prothean beside you and it's now a reality that can be appreciated by those most who would appreciate it by the item that most would attract such group of ME players: The ones who bought the Collector's Edition. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[Tazzmission]

i hope hes in the multiplayer. id love to have a team of protheans

[Yuoaman]

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

And he's freaking magical.

[_symphony]

RiouHotaru wrote...

_symphony wrote...
The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

I don't remember ME having temporal squadmates...

[AlanC9]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

I wasn't taking issue with that definition of "complete." Didn't I make that clear? Not the one I'd choose, but if people want to use it I won't quibble.

My point was that if that's definition of "complete," we buy incomplete products all the time. Many if not most films, and quite a few books, are trimmed for length.

[T_l_M_B_0]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

_symphony wrote...
That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

You know, now that I think about it, a Prothean character is kinda dumb.  I mean, one of the great things about the Protheans is that they are mysterious, ancient, and a little otherworldly.  Now we'll have one hanging out in the engine room doing calibrations?  Whatever this character reveals can't be that important since it's DLC, and that further marginalizes the importance of the Protheans and this character.

I might just be trying to convince myself that it's OK to play ME3 without the Prothean, but maybe the game really will be better off without it.

That may be EXACTLY why he's not in the main game outside of the simulataneous situation that he would confuse PS3 players that had zero access to Mass Effect 1 to fully appreciate the importance of Protheans....

It's a great fantasy to fight the Reapers with a Prothean beside you and it's now a reality that can be appreciated by those most who would appreciate it by the item that most would attract such group of ME players: The ones who bought the Collector's Edition. 

Tons of PS3 players, myself included, watched full playthroughs of ME1 on youtube once we found out that ME2 was coming out on the PS3. So not all of us PS3 players don't appreciate the importance of the Protheans

[Kevin Lozandier]

Anaeme wrote...

Bioware has not released a game recently without a major Fiasco to accompany it...

Once a game is ready to ship they do not fail to infuriate their customers with some awful business ethic

No they made what CE are supposed to do and make the buyer feel that the game industry honestly have failed badly with in recent years, like how Elder Scrolls thought that a statue can make the gamer buy the CE for the price of the game being bought  twice.... 

[Tazzmission]

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

_symphony wrote...
The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

I don't remember ME having temporal squadmates...

um kenson was a temp if you include arrival..........


also to an extent the full 13 squad from me2 could be considered as a temp seeing as they do in fact die if you dont do there lm

[macdadams2]

AlanC9 wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

I wasn't taking issue with that definition of "complete." Didn't I make that clear? Not the one I'd choose, but if people want to use it I won't quibble.

My point was that if that's definition of "complete," we buy incomplete products all the time. Many if not most films, and quite a few books, are trimmed for length.

Yes, but they don't trim the content with the intent of selling it to you seperately, later! Scuples! I believe bioware is hurting themselves in the long run.

Modifié par macdadams2, 24 février 2012 - 07:19 .

[slimgrin]

Anaeme wrote...

Bioware has not released a game recently without a major Fiasco to accompany it...

Once a game is ready to ship they do not fail to infuriate their customers with some awful business ethic

And that they continue to do this, well, it shows what they are really about. They get plenty of BioDrone support here, but you don't have to look far to meet folks who think their philosophy to game design reeks more of pandering and money grubbing than it does of artistic integrity.   

Modifié par slimgrin, 24 février 2012 - 07:20 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

_symphony wrote...
That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

You know, now that I think about it, a Prothean character is kinda dumb.  I mean, one of the great things about the Protheans is that they are mysterious, ancient, and a little otherworldly.  Now we'll have one hanging out in the engine room doing calibrations?  Whatever this character reveals can't be that important since it's DLC, and that further marginalizes the importance of the Protheans and this character.

I might just be trying to convince myself that it's OK to play ME3 without the Prothean, but maybe the game really will be better off without it.

That may be EXACTLY why he's not in the main game outside of the simulataneous situation that he would confuse PS3 players that had zero access to Mass Effect 1 to fully appreciate the importance of Protheans....

It's a great fantasy to fight the Reapers with a Prothean beside you and it's now a reality that can be appreciated by those most who would appreciate it by the item that most would attract such group of ME players: The ones who bought the Collector's Edition. 

Tons of PS3 players, myself included, watched full playthroughs of ME1 on youtube once we found out that ME2 was coming out on the PS3. So not all of us PS3 players don't appreciate the importance of the Protheans

Heh, there's a Collector's Edition for PS3 owners as well that know their ME1 as well those who played the Xbox 360 version, if not played it themselves....

[AlanC9]

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

[TheGoddess0fWar]

There is a countdown app?Ohmygoddess.
I keep playing Mass Effect. That's probably why I can't stand this waiting.

[Raxxman]

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

Few things to note.

If 2 versions of a film came out on the same day, and one was 10 mins longer, would you call the shorter version complete?

Saying Mass Effect 3 SE is complete, is wrong. You can't get more than complete, it's the peak, infinity.  It's a finished game, and in terms of SE it is complete. But in terms of ME3 as a whole isn't not, and with subsequent DLC packs which will come it will become less complete.

You wouldn't now say ME2 without Zaeed/Kasumi/Shadowbroker/Arrival/overloard/firewalker (well maybe) was a complete game, these were added to broaden the ME2.

Not saying you should get the complete experience for free, never have.

[Tazzmission]

AlanC9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

tbh i think hes in me3 mainly to end the trilogy with the whole thing about his species

tbh i wanted a prothean and im glad hes in important or not

i like stuff like that because for me at least it makes the game more interesting

[Evilelf007]

aLucidMind wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The only way a movie released in theaters would work... is if you are talking about seeing it in 3d or 2d when it's showing in both formats.

The Prothean dlc would be the same movie in 3d, without the dlc it's the same movie, but in 2d.  Still very complete story, just without the extra fluff.

I lol'd.
3-D gives me insane migraines. I'm sure the Prothean squadmate has caused several on BSN XD

TBH, I'm not a real fan of 3d movies anyway... but that's why I like that most 3d releases are also available to watch in 2d.  On the other hand, I'm glad I'm getting the Prothean squadmate witht he CE... and even if I didn't have the CE on pre-order... I can tell you I would jump at the dlc!

[Kevin Lozandier]

aLucidMind wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Single permanent biotic squadmate

Uh.... what about Samara? Thane? Wrex? Jack? Miranda? Must I go on? 

In ME3, none of them are permanent. They're all temporary.

Shrug; that's sort of a spoiler for me but players will get their two-biotic-squadmate fix either way.... 

[Evilelf007]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

There is a countdown app?Ohmygoddess.
I keep playing Mass Effect. That's probably why I can't stand this waiting.

Yes!  Free on the android marketplace!