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Oops wrong quote lol 

Modifié par heart again, 24 février 2012 - 07:24 .

[AlanC9]

macdadams2 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I wasn't taking issue with that definition of "complete." Didn't I make that clear? Not the one I'd choose, but if people want to use it I won't quibble.

My point was that if that's definition of "complete," we buy incomplete products all the time. Many if not most films, and quite a few books, are trimmed for length.

Yes, but they don't trim the content with the intent of selling it to you seperately, later! Scuples! I believe bioware is hurting themselves in the long run.

A fair point. The content is created with the intent of selling some content as DLC while selling the rest as the game, yep. With other media cuts are made because of distribution issues, and maybe audience resistance to over-long films.

[Tazzmission]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Single permanent biotic squadmate

Uh.... what about Samara? Thane? Wrex? Jack? Miranda? Must I go on? 

In ME3, none of them are permanent. They're all temporary.

Shrug; that's sort of a spoiler for me but players will get their two-biotic-squadmate fix either way.... 

tbh all i can say without spoiling anything is the me1 fans will be happy when it comes to permanent squadmates


other than that there are 3 new ones added and one being the prothean and the otherone james vega.

other than that ill keep hush hush on the final one

Modifié par Tazzmission, 24 février 2012 - 07:24 .

[_symphony]

ForceXev wrote...

_symphony wrote...
That's my disappointment, they made him a DLC, so he's inconsequential, BioWare drops a character like this and is meaningless plot-wise. What the hell.

I really don't care if the DLC is free or not, what is done is done.

You know, now that I think about it, a Prothean character is kinda dumb.  I mean, one of the great things about the Protheans is that they are mysterious, ancient, and a little otherworldly.  Now we'll have one hanging out in the engine room doing calibrations?  Whatever this character reveals can't be that important since it's DLC, and that further marginalizes the importance of the Protheans and this character.

I might just be trying to convince myself that it's OK to play ME3 without the Prothean, but maybe the game really will be better off without it.

Yeah, somehow I feel is better without him, than rolling eyes over the inconsequential prothean alive in my ship, but hey, we are lacking some biotic power in our squad, aren't we?

[CerberusSoldier]

Anaeme wrote...

Bioware has not released a game recently without a major Fiasco to accompany it...

Once a game is ready to ship they do not fail to infuriate their customers with some awful business ethic

   


EA is doing business and if the marketplace deems something un worthy of buying then they will learn from it . but none of you cry babies have a right to complain unless all of you are CE pre order owners but even then what are you really losing a dlc pack . Plus EA is doing the right thing in offering it to everyone on day 1

[TheGoddess0fWar]

AlanC9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

You obviously never played Mass Effect 1.

[AlanC9]

Tazzmission wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

tbh i think hes in me3 mainly to end the trilogy with the whole thing about his species

tbh i wanted a prothean and im glad hes in important or not

i like stuff like that because for me at least it makes the game more interesting

Sure. He's probably got a lot of interesting stuff to say. That's what makes him a good DLC.

[T_l_M_B_0]

Hmmmm... now that I think about... this DLC presents a problem for me.

I already know I will be dragging my lover Ash into every battle with me, but I also want to take my main bro Garrus... now I got a Brothean (haha)... I can only have 2 with me... WHAT DO I DO AHHHHHH

[Yuoaman]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Anaeme wrote...

Bioware has not released a game recently without a major Fiasco to accompany it...

Once a game is ready to ship they do not fail to infuriate their customers with some awful business ethic

   


EA is doing business and if the marketplace deems something un worthy of buying then they will learn from it . but none of you cry babies have a right to complain unless all of you are CE pre order owners but even then what are you really losing a dlc pack . Plus EA is doing the right thing in offering it to everyone on day 1

Do you have to call people "cry babies", is that really how you want to present your case?

[RiouHotaru]

Raxxman wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

Few things to note.

If 2 versions of a film came out on the same day, and one was 10 mins longer, would you call the shorter version complete?

Saying Mass Effect 3 SE is complete, is wrong. You can't get more than complete, it's the peak, infinity.  It's a finished game, and in terms of SE it is complete. But in terms of ME3 as a whole isn't not, and with subsequent DLC packs which will come it will become less complete.

You wouldn't now say ME2 without Zaeed/Kasumi/Shadowbroker/Arrival/overloard/firewalker (well maybe) was a complete game, these were added to broaden the ME2.

Not saying you should get the complete experience for free, never have.

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

[LonnyG]

Maybe there is a change that the prothean already is in the full game but that you can't have him as a squad member only with the DLC.. If not then i hope bioware gifs it away for free because everyone has to meet the prothean! Because they know they are important and mysterious for the ME fan's.. (btw I will get the CE sorry)

[Tazzmission]

AlanC9 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

tbh i think hes in me3 mainly to end the trilogy with the whole thing about his species

tbh i wanted a prothean and im glad hes in important or not

i like stuff like that because for me at least it makes the game more interesting

Sure. He's probably got a lot of interesting stuff to say. That's what makes him a good DLC.

exactly. people who are against it saying omg it should be free really do sadden me because for someone like me who has the ce on hold we are still getting the same game. all the prothean is is an add on wich would still be the same price so i dont see what the fuss is about


after the script i read all of are prothean questions will be answered and i got to say i regret reading it because its something that i would have loved to hear for myself by playing the game

[DJBare]

AlanC9 wrote...

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

There will be no point in debating this with you as you take a different view, not a wrong view, just different, for me it's a deep connection to the past, the best way to explain it, I'm kinda like Liara, another example is Picard in the movie touching the first warp driven ship, it's a connection.

[GuardianAngel470]

I disagree with bringing the Protheans back to life. I think it's a bad literary move that looks way way too much like a retcon (Which it isn't since scientists on Ilos survived through the extinction).

I don't like that this character isn't available to people who buy any version of the game new. I was fine with Zaeed because I could see the logic of it from a business perspective but I have a problem with Bioware holding this for only CE owners (though as something for that extra $20 of my money to go toward I can still see some reasonability).

HOWEVER, I don't agree with the assumption that Javik will in any way be integral to the plot. At this stage I don't think it is fair to say either way but I feel that it is most likely that Javik will serve as only another gun hand but I could easily be wrong.

As such many of the arguments against his inclusion ring very, very hollow to me. This is because almost all of them are based on the above assumption; that he will in some way be integral to the plot.

If he isn't in any way integral to the plot and is in fact just another Zaeed (with or without on-ship conversations) then people's claims of entitlement are basically invalid. Javik would, in such a case, serve as nothing more than very shiny, very unique fluff.

My problems with this situation are largely creative ones. I don't think the Protheans should have been resurrected. I don't think, if the former action for some reason had to be taken, such resurrected protheans should have been relegated to very shiny fluff. I think it's a very stupid move creatively.

I could be wrong about Bioware's execution. In fact, if Bioware made Javik plot relevant I would agree with that decision, despite the number of people it would ****** off, because that is the only way that I see to make his seemingly haphazard inclusion in any way reasonable.

I hope Bioware pulls this off. I hope Javik is both important and irrelavent simultaneously. I hope they find a way to make his inclusion believeable without pissing off the fans further. I just don't see how it can be done.

[Rdubs]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Actually in this case the terms are roughly interchangable.  The game IS complete, it's not lacking anything.  Not has been left out or omitted.

The Prothean is BONUS content.  If the main game is 100/100, than the DLC makes the game 110/100

LOL.  Reminds me of I think it was that movie Spinal Tap - "But these amps go to 11!"

[Raxxman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

[AlanC9]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I keep asking why a prothean would be so important.  I never get a coherent answer.

I gave an answer, he's "alive"; personally I don't care if he's jesus or a janitor, he is ALIVE.

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

You obviously never played Mass Effect 1.

Don't be silly. It's ME1 that shows how the protheans aren't special. They're just the most recent in a long line of Reaper victims.

[CommanderCoffee]

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

[NoxJuked]

http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

[ForceXev]

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

Hmmmm... now that I think about... this DLC presents a problem for me.

I already know I will be dragging my lover Ash into every battle with me, but I also want to take my main bro Garrus... now I got a Brothean (haha)... I can only have 2 with me... WHAT DO I DO AHHHHHH

I think I read somewhere that in ME3 you take 3 characters with you, not just 2.  Problem solved.

[CommanderCoffee]

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

*seizure*

SOME SENSE BEING MADE. FINALLY!

[Evilelf007]

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

Hmmmm... now that I think about... this DLC presents a problem for me.

I already know I will be dragging my lover Ash into every battle with me, but I also want to take my main bro Garrus... now I got a Brothean (haha)... I can only have 2 with me... WHAT DO I DO AHHHHHH

Well duh... do like most hard core Mass Effect fans do... play the game through multiple times to see as many differences as possible!

I have 7 complete ME1/2 characters to bring into ME3!

The only question is... which one do I use first!

[Kreidian]

Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

I mean really, who would do something like that!

* checks out his new banner sig *

:innocent:

[RiouHotaru]

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

[macdadams2]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.