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[Kevin Lozandier]

AlanC9 wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I wasn't taking issue with that definition of "complete." Didn't I make that clear? Not the one I'd choose, but if people want to use it I won't quibble.

My point was that if that's definition of "complete," we buy incomplete products all the time. Many if not most films, and quite a few books, are trimmed for length.

Yes, but they don't trim the content with the intent of selling it to you seperately, later! Scuples! I believe bioware is hurting themselves in the long run.

A fair point. The content is created with the intent of selling some content as DLC while selling the rest as the game, yep. With other media cuts are made because of distribution issues, and maybe audience resistance to over-long films.

An either-or fallacy. Not necessarily, PLUS the fact that it could be very possible, like deleted scenes in moves, they tried hard to try and fit this character in and they couldn't; they however know that fans always wondered what Protheans really look like and/or fightning with one. Of course, the group of ME players this would appeal to is ME1 players. The problem is that only 360 owners have ME1. Those who played ME2 only wouldn't necessarily see the big deal about this protheans. 

What route would best put it in the hands of ME players that would most understand and value this character; value the underlying implications of going backto Eden Prime? Value seeing earlier version of characters or their earlier concepts which is LIKELY to happen with the additional skins?  The owners of the Collector's Edition, I think. It definitely would make that CE worth a lot more, which it obviously has....

As controversial as it is, it's a great things for CE edition of games I think. Relatively speaking, Bioware's Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition hands-down is the best CE for a interactive medium since a while now.

[Rip504]

What it must be like for it...
50,000 years later at it's the same ole ****.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

This thread is beyond its limit. Your argument is invalid.

[CommanderCoffee]

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

You obviously don't understand how film production works. 

[AlanC9]

DJBare wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Like I said, I never get a coherent answer.

He's alive. So fracking what?

There will be no point in debating this with you as you take a different view, not a wrong view, just different, for me it's a deep connection to the past, the best way to explain it, I'm kinda like Liara, another example is Picard in the movie touching the first warp driven ship, it's a connection.

OK; we can simply disagree about how we feel about protheans. My attitude towards the protheans has always been "if they're so fracking smart, why are they so fracking dead?" (I have no idea what film I'm quoting there). But that's just my feeling.

I just don't see how a live prothan can be important in any kind of rational sense.

Though I'm actually kind of apprehensive that ME3 will be about Shepard finding some magic prothean weapon that willl beat the Reapers. But I've put up with worse from Bio in the past.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Edit;; Double post lag.

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 24 février 2012 - 07:40 .

[Raxxman]

CommanderCoffee wrote...


So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is released in theatres at the  same time, makes sense. BORAT.

Fixed your post.

[Tazzmission]

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

look at star wars............... lucas is always altering scenes left and right so are you gona say that isnt a true film let alone a complete film because he decides to throw in some stuff he himself cut from the originals?

[Tazzmission]

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

look at star wars............... lucas is always altering scenes left and right so are you gona say that isnt a true film let alone a complete film because he decides to throw in some stuff he himself cut from the originals?

[Kreidian]

RiouHotaru wrote...

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

And lets face it, Liara is the only permanent biotic squadmate you really need.  <3

[macdadams2]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

*seizure*

SOME SENSE BEING MADE. FINALLY!

1. Consumer's view of game production is important, and not to be dismissed, as this chart is meant to do.

2.That 3rd bar would be exactly the same if the DLC was integrated into the game. One mission and character could have made it in. 

3. This one is only an opinion, but multiplayer replaces nothing. THAT is what should have been treated as an add on.

[Tazzmission]

Kreidian wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

_symphony wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

ForceXev wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
So a "complete" car includes the full option package? A "complete" film is the director's cut with all the deleted scenes back in?

I can live with that definition. But then we don't have a right to expect a "complete" game when we buy a game, because other products don't necessarily come complete either.

Common perception is that whatever content is released on the first day, it is part of the "complete" game.  Whatever comes out on March 6, that is the complete, release-day version of the Mass Effect 3, which includes the Prothean.

If you are comparing to movies, Day 1 DLC would be like going to the theater to see a movie, and being told that you can see a $15 version with 30 minutes cut out, or you can pay $25 to see the whole movie.  A "Director's Cut" DVD is something that comes out later, and is never considered to be the "official" version of the film.

...Why is it the anti-DLC folks ALWAYS, ALWAYS, without fail, pick terrible analogies and examples to try and make their argument?!  Seriously!

A car as you see it in the lot is a COMPLETE CAR.  ANY options you buy to put into it like Bluetooth or real leather for the seats is EXTRA.

The correct analogy is having ME with just a single biotic squadmate.

Single permanent biotic squadmate

And lets face it, Liara is the only permanent biotic squadmate you really need.  <3

true but having another one couldnt hurt

[Zeenof]

Kreidian wrote...

Zeenof wrote...

Can't all sides agree to disagree?

(Truthfully I just wanted to see if my new banner worked)

Carry on.

I mean really, who would do something like that!

* checks out his new banner sig *

:innocent:

Great minds think alike.

[heart again]

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Really? So you've played the game in it's entirety?

[Yuoaman]

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

I do recognize that things aren't as cut-and-dry as some people are making things out to be - but I think there still has to be some sort of middle ground.

[hunter_l33737]

I'll be canceling my preoreder come monday in leu of a change of policy regarding this "day 1" DLC. I already pay too much for games here in Australia, I will not be gouged further for a content complete game upon launch.

[CommanderCoffee]

Raxxman wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...


So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is released in theatres at the  same time, makes sense. BORAT.

I'm being a pathetic jerk.

Fixed your post.

[Rip504]

I own the CE on Xbox 360,I am now going to dl the 10 Dollar Day 1 dlc on both 360 & PS3.
Also buying ME3 via dl PSN.

(On day 1 & I was gonna wait on PS3.)
lol

So when you think 1 sale lost,not 2 sales gained.

Bought!

Modifié par Rip504, 24 février 2012 - 07:44 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

You obviously don't understand how film production works. 

Agreed.

[Tazzmission]

hunter_l33737 wrote...

I'll be canceling my preoreder come monday in leu of a change of policy regarding this "day 1" DLC. I already pay too much for games here in Australia, I will not be gouged further for a content complete game upon launch.

you do realize the dlc is optional right? you dont have to cancell your pre order

[macdadams2]

Tazzmission wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

look at star wars............... lucas is always altering scenes left and right so are you gona say that isnt a true film let alone a complete film because he decides to throw in some stuff he himself cut from the originals?

Lol the star wars issue is every bit as contreversial as this...

[Raxxman]

heart again wrote...

Really? So you've played the game in it's entirety?

What's that got to do with understanding the English language?

[Evilelf007]

Rip504 wrote...

What it must be like for it...
50,000 years later at it's the same ole ****.

Wow!  That's gotta suck!  Didn't even think of it like that! lol

[ForceXev]

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

Hm, interesting.  So how come Skyrim is getting DLC?  Didn't they have to lay off all of their pre-production people because Skyrim didn't have Day 1 DLC?  What about Assassin's Creed Revelations?  DLC is coming out for that, too, but clearly that's impossible.  The Witcher 2 didn't have day 1 DLC, and the first DLC they did release was free on the PC.  They must have fired everyone in the company to make that happen.  What these companies are doing is not within the realm of possibility, because Reddit says so.