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[Kevin Lozandier]

Yuoaman wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

I do recognize that things aren't as cut-and-dry as some people are making things out to be - but I think there still has to be some sort of middle ground.

There is. It's in the Director's Edition for free and  being extra content, if you like Mass Effect lore that much that you feel  you MUST experience this content, buy the Collector's Edition and get more stuff that can't be found anywhere else....

[_symphony]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

I disagree with bringing the Protheans back to life. I think it's a bad literary move that looks way way too much like a retcon (Which it isn't since scientists on Ilos survived through the extinction).

I don't like that this character isn't available to people who buy any version of the game new. I was fine with Zaeed because I could see the logic of it from a business perspective but I have a problem with Bioware holding this for only CE owners (though as something for that extra $20 of my money to go toward I can still see some reasonability).

HOWEVER, I don't agree with the assumption that Javik will in any way be integral to the plot. At this stage I don't think it is fair to say either way but I feel that it is most likely that Javik will serve as only another gun hand but I could easily be wrong.

As such many of the arguments against his inclusion ring very, very hollow to me. This is because almost all of them are based on the above assumption; that he will in some way be integral to the plot.

If he isn't in any way integral to the plot and is in fact just another Zaeed (with or without on-ship conversations) then people's claims of entitlement are basically invalid. Javik would, in such a case, serve as nothing more than very shiny, very unique fluff.

My problems with this situation are largely creative ones. I don't think the Protheans should have been resurrected. I don't think, if the former action for some reason had to be taken, such resurrected protheans should have been relegated to very shiny fluff. I think it's a very stupid move creatively.

I could be wrong about Bioware's execution. In fact, if Bioware made Javik plot relevant I would agree with that decision, despite the number of people it would ****** off, because that is the only way that I see to make his seemingly haphazard inclusion in any way reasonable.

I hope Bioware pulls this off. I hope Javik is both important and irrelavent simultaneously. I hope they find a way to make his inclusion believeable without pissing off the fans further. I just don't see how it can be done.

Yep, resurrect a prothean for no good reason is really poor writing, it smells like they did it for the sake of selling DLCs, and not for the sake of plot.

[macdadams2]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

You obviously don't understand how film production works. 

Agreed.

They do this? I've never gone out and bought 10 more minutes for my movie.

[Tazzmission]

macdadams2 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

look at star wars............... lucas is always altering scenes left and right so are you gona say that isnt a true film let alone a complete film because he decides to throw in some stuff he himself cut from the originals?

Lol the star wars issue is every bit as contreversial as this...

im just saying though since people want to argue that this dlc is cut from the game and isnt complete cant we say the same for lucas's star wars revisions?


if not than hey people need to shut up about this whole thing already because you cant say 1 thing is wile the other isnt

[Liara T]

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

[Tazzmission]

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

um soverin said the protheans didnt build the citadel or the mass relays.....................

[Kevin Lozandier]

macdadams2 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

You obviously don't understand how film production works. 

Agreed.

They do this? I've never gone out and bought 10 more minutes for my movie.

Lol, the Movie Industry has done this for decades ma'am/sir.....

[T_l_M_B_0]

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

IIRC, it is known that the Prothean (Brotheans) didn't build the Citadel, just stumbled upon it like the Asari did.

[Tazzmission]

aLucidMind wrote...

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

ME1 stated that the Reapers built the Citadel, not the Protheans.

you know that does open a plot hole regarding a spoiler from the leaked script.........

[macdadams2]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

So a film released in theatres isn't complete if a Director's Cut with 10 minutes of added footage is added, makes sense. BORAT.

If they cut out a valid ten minutes of the movie for the sole reason of selling it to you seperately then  yes.

You obviously don't understand how film production works. 

Agreed.

They do this? I've never gone out and bought 10 more minutes for my movie.

Lol, the Movie Industry has done this for decades ma'am/sir.....

Well damn. Maybe that explains my opposition on this little issue then!

[TheGoddess0fWar]

hunter_l33737 wrote...

I'll be canceling my preoreder come monday in leu of a change of policy regarding this "day 1" DLC. I already pay too much for games here in Australia, I will not be gouged further for a content complete game upon launch.

The game is not incomplete. The Day 1 DLC is 100% OPTIONAL. That's what we keep repeating over, and over and over again.

[corporal doody]

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

HUH? this was explained in ME1...so im sure this is a joke comment

[Rip504]

The Squadmate is only relevant to ME1 fans.

ME2 shuns them,and ME3 is about now v Reapers.
Yea it has insight like

"They can NOT be STOPPED" That's really gonna help and is major to the story.
No only to fans interested in its story & that of the Protheans. Also those of us who would like to revisit Eden Prime. ME2 slightly mentions Eden Prime,and other for the squadmate Eden Prime may be fairly unimportant in ME3.

Protheans stood no chance against the Reapers,and sent out messages to warn future races of the Reapers. This squadmate may just be a fancy beacon.

Modifié par Rip504, 24 février 2012 - 07:54 .

[Goldsaw]

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

Nevermind >.>

Modifié par Goldsaw, 24 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[DJBare]

No one knows who built the citadel, all technology is "based" on reaper tech.

[Liara T]

aLucidMind wrote...

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

ME1 stated that the Reapers built the Citadel, not the Protheans.

ok damnit, i know i screw someting up... i should play me1 once again after 3 years:lol:


maybe someone could sum up for me the most important facts why the protheans are important to ME? 

[SykoWolf]

WTF! , you would think a PROTHEAN squadmate would be integral to the story so why the f is it in dlc?
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting the CE and this dlc but wtf?!

[Evilelf007]

Here's the integral part that the Prothean will have in the game... he will talk Sheppard into hopping into a freezer in hopes of outlasting the Reapers... after all, that's how he survived last time. Maybe next time he won't be woken up just as the Reapers are on the prowl yet again. lol

[Rdubs]

NoxJuked wrote...



http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

Too bad a lot of effort was built to create this table, which kind of misses one of the important points of people's concerns, and then go on to screw it up with weak logic in the "FAQ" section.
First point: Draw out all the timelines you want for how DLC works but they are irrelevant.  Many are concerned that the Prothean squad member was designed to be an integral part of the experience but then removed at the last second to become a quick cash-grab.  That's MUCH different from thinking at the last minute (or couple months), hey let's add this guy in here as a squad member.  That the leaked Beta contained files for the Prothean character the same way all the other selectable squad members had files lends legitimacy to this concern, that it was developed all along then removed to be sold as an extra.  All of the above timelines are nice but only relevant for true DLC, not content originally developed then cut to be sold as DLC.
The second aspect has to do with, what someone previously reminded me of, the "But these amps go to 11!" rating scale.  One of the faults of the above graphic lies with the "Built to be optional for the purposes of the ME3 narrative."  The graphic even makes my argument for me, that the "DLC" has "tremendous story potential".  News flash: People love Mass Effect FOR THE STORY.  Laying out a full story with all the pieces contributing to it then claiming to draw a line at the 90% mark and say "That's the full story, anything else is extra" is bull****.  This isn't some random jackass like Zaeed who I really didn't care about since I already had 12 people like him on my squad and who really didn't add anything, this is a frikkin PROTHEAN.

[Evilelf007]

Liara T wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

ME1 stated that the Reapers built the Citadel, not the Protheans.

ok damnit, i know i screw someting up... i should play me1 once again after 3 years:lol:


maybe someone could sum up for me the most important facts why the protheans are important to ME? 

All tech in the galaxy is based off of artifacts found at Prothean dig sites.
The information on the pending Reaper invasion was supplied by a Prothean beacon found at a dig site on Eden Prime.
The Protheans are the only known species to have tapped into the true secret of how the Mass Relay works, thus creating the Conduit, a one way relay to the Citadel.
The Protheans altered the signal of the Keepers to prevent the Reapers from jumping straight to the Citadel from dark space.
The Collectors are what is left of the Prothean species after the Reapers failing to produce more Reapers from their DNA...

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

[T_l_M_B_0]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK!"

[slimgrin]

NV

Modifié par slimgrin, 24 février 2012 - 08:02 .

[nightcobra]

Liara T wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Liara T wrote...

nobody knows if protheans build the citadel right?

maybe the prothean will tell us

ME1 stated that the Reapers built the Citadel, not the Protheans.

ok damnit, i know i screw someting up... i should play me1 once again after 3 years:lol:


maybe someone could sum up for me the most important facts why the protheans are important to ME? 

they were responsible for creating the beacons that shepard got in contact.
liara's character is deeply rooted in the study of prothean history
the hanar religion holds the protheans as gods
the collectors are prothean husks 
the protheans were the dominant species of their time
i could probably continue but i'm tired.