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[PinkFloydMan73]

This is unacceptable. I understand that it was developed after the core game and by a seperate team. That's not an excuse to charage extra on release date. A seperate company does the digital effects for a movie after prinicipal photography has finished, but they don't charge us extra for those effects when we see that movie.

[PaulSX]

Coldburn wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

*whispers* The Witcher 2.

Seriosuly, you should play it. Best game in 2011.

And 
CD Projekt RED is actually making waaaaay better RPG's than bioware.. just saying..

this is subjective. The witcher 2 is still one of my dissapointments last year. especailly I like DA2 better than that game. DA2, though mediocre, still has roots of RPG and TW2 is just a hack & slash plus rolling.

[ArkkAngel007]

El Ejcovero wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

So...the argument is that because he is a Prothean, he is de facto important and integral to the game and the narrative because the fans decide he is, even if he isn't? And that content made by a separate team and completed later, sold in a more expensive edition, should be free day 1 to everyone else?

Time to leave fantasy land.

This is the argument:

This is unacceptable.

That isn't what happened though.  At all.  The Prothean was completely separate.  Now, if we were discussing the pre-order incentives, that's another story.

You are not missing anything important to the narrative of the actual game.  It's a bonus, fluff.  Yes, it's really cool lore-wise, but it isn't like he's integral to activating the last hope for the galaxy.

Do I think DLC has gotten out-of-hand in the way it is handled in this industry now? Yes.  Do I believe this is one of those occassions?  Not in the slightest.

[Paragon Auducan]

Protheans are important because they should be all dead, Bioware decided to bring one back. They must have had a very good reason for this, you know the race that basically everything in the entire series owes to.

It would be like having the Librarian from Halo as DLC.

[Dannybare]

Coldburn wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

elessarz wrote...

I suppose I and many others must not be big enough fans of Mass Effect to deserve to have this DLC on the basic disk. This move did not fly with either Dragon Age: Origins or Dragon Age 2 and it certainly doesn't hold up now. Tread carefully, Bioware. I may just have to take my patronage elsewhere.

Go ahead. I support Indy developers as much as anyway (Minecraft ftw).

However, I've yet to find an indy game with the same RPG depth of any Bioware game. Let me know if you find one.

*whispers* The Witcher 2.

Seriosuly, you should play it. Best game in 2011.

And 
CD Projekt RED is actually making waaaaay better RPG's than bioware.. just saying..

 Patch 2.0 introduced an Areana, another Difficulty, a better tutorial. The Enhanced Edition will add new quests, new places and new "major characters". All Free of charge.

[Dionkey]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

Modifié par Dionkey, 23 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[LinksOcarina]

WeWant wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

People who bought the CE are screwed because they are paying something that should be in the game, but still try to justify the +$20.

So the artbook, soundtrack, patch and other items included with the bonus character and mission are worth nothing?

Or th efact that people who don't have the CE are just as loud as those who did get it, and are complaining about something even more vile since they have no proof of the matter?

Yeah, thats not hypocritical at all.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 23 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[ebevan91]

25 pages already?

Actually 26 now because this thread is moving FAST.

Modifié par ebevan91, 23 février 2012 - 12:19 .

[graciegrace]

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

No one cares that you get extra stuff. Thats what DLC is all about. But people actually care that the stuff you get is actually a HUGE thing in the Mass Effect Universe.

That is being treated with the same importance as Kasumi and Zaeed.  You don't see people complaining that they had to pay for Kasumi, even though she has "VITAL ALLIANCE SECRETS OMG," which could be a HUGE thing in the ME Universe.  People are feeling entitled to things they were never promised, and it's obnoxious.  

[didymos1120]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

We got 3 type of people here:
1- People crying because it's a dlc and it's a Protheans SO IT MUST BE IMPORTANT (in their mind)
2- People crying that it should not be a DLC but in the game
3- People who lol at #1 and 2

4- People who understand why other people don't like this and think people in category three are kinda jerks.

Fair enough I'l give you a fourth category. But I'm a Renegade so I must be a jerk right? 

Don't get me wrong: there's definitely some whining going on, but that doesn't mean people in the first and second categories are all worth dismissing.

[padawanmage]

My thing is...will NOT getting this DLC hurt the gaming experience for me? With what's in it, will I NOT be able to play the game? Just wondering...

[El Ejcovero]

RiouHotaru wrote...
To be fair, what they're doing with ME3 is the 2005 image, only you remain the "expansion pack" as "DLC" and reduce the price from $30 to $10

Nope, back in the days of expansions you did not get day one DLC/expansions because that would be included in the game. The point of DLC/expansions is to add content after release.

[sirgippy]

Whiners, your supposed moral high ground and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee.

Wait.. a cup of coffee is 3 dollars?

Pre-order canceled.

[Alek the Great]

Still, I'm confounded why they intentionally made the Prothean dlc. I'm fine with people like Zaeed or Kasumi having their ow little dlc, they tell their own unique story and are completely new. But a Prothean, a race we know so little about and have been a topic of great interest ever since ME1, being reduced to a dlc character is quite unacceptable. I don't care how inconsequential he is to the plot, the Protheans as a race were, and from what I read, still are quite important to the plot throughout all 3 games. I would talk about their role in ME3 but spoilers are not allowed. I do not want Bioware to keep following this path, it's simply bad business or at least bad for the customers/fans. And by the way, I never cared about the money, It's just the principle of it.

Modifié par Alek the Great, 23 février 2012 - 12:21 .

[N7Infernox]

ebevan91 wrote...

25 pages already?

Actually 26 now because this thread is moving FAST.

Ikr? It's like that thread back when Arrival details were first leaked.

[Yuoaman]

I hate how people defend this but don't even really understand what they're defending, this is a big deal whether you care about the DLC itself or not.

[nitefyre410]

Sidac wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

]IT WAS MADE LONG BEFORE THE GAME WAS DEVELOPERED AND INCLUDES A FAIRLY MAJOR SQUAD MATE AS CONTENT, IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE GAME!  It should have never been day-1 DLC. If this was released in May, June, July, etc. FINE, they obviously released it later for a reason, and I highly doubt they're going to create it during development, only to hold it for a while to cretate the illusion of work.

As I've said a million times, paid DLC is for adding on what is made POST-DEVELOPMENT. Not what was planned, what was made in the last few weeks, or what you want to pretend it was for. POST-DEVELOPMENT ONLY. NO EXCEPTIONS.

you sir need to read the 1st post again...

" The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after
the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main
game went into certification."

 

Thats called PR spin  my good friend... sounds nice but never, never believe it.

Its that same with the leak script(no I did not read it)  they said it was old - that happend around  Late Oct -  Nov.   There is no way 3 months before release they are going rewrite parts of the script,  redo cutscenes(which includes getting the voice actors back) etc, etc,
 
In short its damage control which is what good PR does...

sadly that statement is not   that good.

[Daywalker315]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

I fear most people are just trying to justify pirating the game...

I fear most people aren't willing to accept the fact that BioWare is in the wrong.

your a tool if you really believe that.


so you expect someones hard work just be free right because thats how you see the world?

i expect that when i pay FULL RETAIL PRICE for a game, i get *gasp* the full game..  not a partial game where stuff is cut out for monetization..  people may consider this 'entitlement'.. i consider it common sense.

and tbh, i know the dlc comes with the CE.. thats not the point.. the point is it should be included in the standard version of the game as well. .its how shale worked in DAO, and how Zaeed worked in ME2.. explain to me why 'from ashes' cant work the same way? 

'there are other customization items included as part of that..'

my response is: 'so separate that stuff out, and just include the prothean and eden prime mission in the standard version of the game, and make the customizati0n items exclusive.' 

problem solved.

i understand the CE has extra stuff.. thats what the cosmetic items, soundtrack, artwork, and the like are for.  i dont expect that kind of thing to be included with the main game..

however, i DO expect that regardless of the version you buy, you should get access to the full game as it was designed.  again, the CE should be for EXTRA stuff.. not main plot line stuff.. and sorry, i consider a prothean npc to be considered 'major plotline'.

all this is doing is alienating a large part of your fanbase..  as ive said many times.. if you are going to continue this type of thing with your future content.. you can count me out. 

the ONLY reason i am not boycotting this is because ive invested time in the story with the first two games.. i want to see the conclusion.  if this were the first game in the series, i wouldnt be purchasing the game.

This squad mate might not serve any more purpose in the story than Zaeed or Kasumi or any other squad mate, DLC or not. He might be a walking codex entry for the Protheans and have some chats with Liara but for all we know it truly is an optional thing that doesn't even remotely change the narrative of the story once he's in your party. It's not the apocalypse, people. Buy it if you want, or don't buy the DLC on principle and just enjoy the already huge game. Watch the Prothean clips on YouTube or something to fill you in.

[Morroian]

DJBare wrote...
I've pre-ordered the CE and I disagree, "software" has never been part of the package for me just a bonus, it's the hard items that interest me such as the art book and N7 patch, that's where my extra $20 went.

Just on the $20, I'm in Australia and if I want the digital CE its $100, $40 more than standard prices.

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Your arguments are about Activision which yes is a terrible company and only very vaguely related to this issue involving a completely different company.

The fact is, that was an imaginary example ACTIVISION DID NOT DO THAT, ACTIVISION GAVE YOU THE WORK OF ALL THREE DEVELOPERS FOR ONE PRICE ON RELEASE.
As I said, it is unacceptable that Activison does the right thing while Bioware does not.

An inflated price thats already above general unit price of games, so yes if you dont want to pay for day 1 DLC thats what you will get $80-90 base unit cost on games or $60 games with the content simply cut.

[Sidac]

AK404 wrote...

Bluumberry wrote...

People are taking this way too seriously.

Not really, man.  What's troubling isn't this one particular instance, as bad as it may be.

yes, you are. you really, REALLY are. This prothean will be another zaeed/kasumi. A total gimmick and have no real point to getting. You have the entire story being told without them. All they are is extra lines.

For the crybabies out there, COMPANIES HAVE DEADLINES! You have to get the main product done by that date. After that, while the product is being copied and shipped, you can do whatever the heck you want. Like, say, create another useless character.

i know deadlines are hard to understand to the simpleminded people of forums but its simple concept really.

[Wevyc]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

How about that I believe that you shouldn't have had to pay extra for "Prothy" in the first place? That you're being ripped off along with the rest of the people buying the game?

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

You are absolutely right.  I don't expect Bioware to make the prothean free for all copies now.  They screwed up, what's done is done.  It would be massively unfair to make it available for everyone when a large number of people already pre-ordered the CE in large part, or perhaps solely because of, the prothean squadmate.

The point is that they should never never pulled this BS in the first place.

[Yuoaman]

Alek the Great wrote...

Still, I'm confounded why they intentionally mad the Prothean dlc. I'm fine with people like Zaeed or Kasumi having their ow little dlc, they tell their own unique story and are completely new. But a Prothean, a race we know so little about and have been a topic of great interest ever since ME1, being reduced to a dlc character is quite unacceptable. I don't care how inconsequential he is to the plot, the Protheans as a race were, and from what I read, still are quite important to the plot throughout all 3 games. I would talk about their role in ME3 but spoilers are not allowed. I do not want Bioware to keep following this path, it's simply bad business or at least bad for the customers/fans. And by the way, I never cared about the money, It's just the principle of it.

Because there's obviously no way every fan of Mass Effect would want to know anything about the Protheans.

Obviously.

[Knightstar2001]

So the whole reason for the rage is that the bonus squad mate is Prothean? so if it was a human or something else,then it wouldn't matter because it wouldn't give you the belief that it was somehow going to be important to the plot/lore of the game?
people comparing it to Sebastian saying that it will be just as important to the plot must have played a different DA2 or done something else, because he doesn't actually have any impact on the plot. Does he do a good job of making you care about his character,yes. Does he make the distruction of the church feel more emotional,yes. But does having him change the plot,no. Does having him reveal something that is important to the plot,no. The biggest impact he has is making the choice to kill or not kill anderson feel more important.
Now people complaining about how this should have been in the main game because it is a day one DLC are forgetting something. The standard edition is the main game no matter how you cut it. Anything outside of the main game is a bonus. If they decide that they only want so much content on the main game,that is their right and privilege. Our right and privilege as customers is to decide whether we want to buy the game.
I almost hope that this character doesn't really offer anything that is important to the actual plot just so you people can get over it. I would laugh if it tells you about stuff only to be told that they already know or that knowledge is useless.

"Go to Ilos,man. My people were developing something that could help against the reapers.
You mean the Conduit?
You know about it?
We've already been there and used it.
Oh,then I can't help you."

Modifié par Knightstar2001, 23 février 2012 - 12:22 .