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[mrbauxjangles]

i dont see how multiplayer is incentive to buy the game new. it is a damn singleplayer game

[Rdubs]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

[The Empress]

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK!"

Or  "F**k my life..."

[slimgrin]

Who the hell made a BioDrone chart?

[DJBare]

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK! I'm heading back to the freezer, wake me when it's over"

[macdadams2]

I don't see this as price gouging. It's quite possibly worth the price. I definitely see it as fan exploitation though. From early production is was built and designed to milk a little extra revenue on release, with an offer long time fans couldn't refuse. (unless you got the CE, like myself ) I realize i'm most likely a minority here, but they should have just put it in the game and charged 70 bucks for the game to begin with.

It appears that people are pretty evenly divided. I don't know. I guess only time will tell if this affects EA/Bioware sales or decisions in the future. I will say that this game will do amazing. We are all to excited about, regardless of how we feel about EA's business practices. I think the team deserves that. Well probably. Let's play it first.

[heart again]

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

[nightcobra]

The Empress wrote...

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK!"

Or  "F**k my life..."

*shepard takes prothean out of stasis and then talks to him*

             
                                                             Hi (please buy the DLC to access this option)

      *stare at prothean*         ()

                                                             I should go...

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 08:10 .

[Tobey2011]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

The Empress wrote...

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK!"

Or  "F**k my life..."

*shepard takes prothean out of stasis and then talks to him*

             
                                                             Hi (please buy the DLC to access this option)

      *stare at prothean*         ()

                                                             I should go...

Wouldn't surprise me at this point! 

[Liara T]

@Evilelf007
@nightcobra8928

Thank you guys very much, I appreciate it.

too much time has passed since i played me1, almost 4 years

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Also everyone who says "Pre-Ordered cancelled!" you think that matters? This game is still going to sell thousands, possibly millions just during launch week. Your one tiny little cancellation is not going to ruin Bioware. Not in the slightest. The only thing you are going to hurt is yourself for deciding to skip out on Shepard's closing story. Sorry for your loss.

[DarthSliver]

The Prothean Squadmate was intended for CE people only but they decided to allow SE buyers to be able to get that content because they saw people didnt want to get the digital version. So to sum this up SE buyers were originally intended to miss out on the Prothean but Bioware changed their mine and decided to let SE buyers purchase it as dlc and that is why its Day 1 dlc. It was never intended to go pass the CE copy of the game.

[DarthSliver]

DJBare wrote...

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK! I'm heading back to the freezer, wake me when it's over"

He will be like at first, I thought this was suppose to cryo freeze. I think the machine is broken

[triman]

I'm not going for it I'll wait for those dumb enough to buy to post all the clips on youtube... 70bucks? Yeah right

[Rdubs]

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

Misses the point.  Whether the"last second" decision was made early enough to advertise it as part of the CE has nothing to do with whether or not it was developed as part of the main storyline with the intent of being sold separately as extra revenue.  Perhaps instead of using the words "cut at last second" I should have stated "planned to be cut all along", congratulations on really nailing me on an irrelevant wording issue.

[Klimy]

Did I miss anything?
But Michael Gamble said what was known for months: CE will have DLC that will not be in NE. That was the reason many of us went after CE. And now when people found out what DLC that was, everyone started a rage-pidemic of why its not in their copy of the game.

Cut it out people, if you wanted that DLC so much, then you had to be loud almost a year ago rather than wait for the last week.

If anyone will go about "oh, but this is not how others do", then yeah it is. Many games include additional missions in CE that can be bought separately in NE (for example Deus Ex).

Personally Im against any promotional DLC and such, but when we all know about something almost a year ahead and dont do anything until we find out how cool that thing is and only then start bashing things in a last minute, thats just pathetic.

Modifié par Klimy, 24 février 2012 - 08:21 .

[fropas]

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

Misses the point.  Whether the"last second" decision was made early enough to advertise it as part of the CE has nothing to do with whether or not it was developed as part of the main storyline with the intent of being sold separately as extra revenue.  Perhaps instead of using the words "cut at last second" I should have stated "planned to be cut all along", congratulations on really nailing me on an irrelevant wording issue.

No it wasn't don't lie please.

[macdadams2]

fropas wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

Misses the point.  Whether the"last second" decision was made early enough to advertise it as part of the CE has nothing to do with whether or not it was developed as part of the main storyline with the intent of being sold separately as extra revenue.  Perhaps instead of using the words "cut at last second" I should have stated "planned to be cut all along", congratulations on really nailing me on an irrelevant wording issue.

No it wasn't don't lie please.

He's not lying. There was a leaked script you know.

[Kroepoek]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Also everyone who says "Pre-Ordered cancelled!" you think that matters? This game is still going to sell thousands, possibly millions just during launch week. Your one tiny little cancellation is not going to ruin Bioware. Not in the slightest. The only thing you are going to hurt is yourself for deciding to skip out on Shepard's closing story. Sorry for your loss.

Yeah, such a loss. They can watch a playthrough on YouTube for free, save ~70 bucks and keep their dignity and principles.

[DarthSliver]

Klimy wrote...

Did I miss anything?
But Michael Gamble said what was known for months: CE will have DLC that will not be in NE. That was the reason many of us went after CE. And now when people found out what DLC that was, everyone started a rage-pidemic of why its not in their copy of the game.

Cut it out people, if you wanted that DLC so much, then you had to be loud almost a year ago rather than wait for the last week.

If anyone will go about "oh, but this is not how others do", then yeah it is. Many games include additional missions in CE that can be bought separately in NE (for example Deus Ex).

Personally Im against any promotional DLC and such, but when we all know about something almost a year ahead and dont do anything until we find out how cool that thing is and only then start bashing things in a last minute, thats just pathetic.

Since this page is probably the only page i read on this thread, finally someone with logic has arrived. 

[fropas]

macdadams2 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

Misses the point.  Whether the"last second" decision was made early enough to advertise it as part of the CE has nothing to do with whether or not it was developed as part of the main storyline with the intent of being sold separately as extra revenue.  Perhaps instead of using the words "cut at last second" I should have stated "planned to be cut all along", congratulations on really nailing me on an irrelevant wording issue.

No it wasn't don't lie please.

He's not lying. There was a leaked script you know.

Leaked scrpit does not reflect the final product. He is lying because he has not played the game. Yet, he claims that this character was developed as a main part of the storyline. That's called lying.

[macdadams2]

DarthSliver wrote...

Klimy wrote...

Did I miss anything?
But Michael Gamble said what was known for months: CE will have DLC that will not be in NE. That was the reason many of us went after CE. And now when people found out what DLC that was, everyone started a rage-pidemic of why its not in their copy of the game.

Cut it out people, if you wanted that DLC so much, then you had to be loud almost a year ago rather than wait for the last week.

If anyone will go about "oh, but this is not how others do", then yeah it is. Many games include additional missions in CE that can be bought separately in NE (for example Deus Ex).

Personally Im against any promotional DLC and such, but when we all know about something almost a year ahead and dont do anything until we find out how cool that thing is and only then start bashing things in a last minute, thats just pathetic.

Since this page is probably the only page i read on this thread, finally someone with logic has arrived. 

Many people with the CE are the one's complaining. Just because we have it doesn't make it right.

[Rip504]

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

No the Prothean is obviously not critcal to ME3's story. Therefor enhances ME3.

[macdadams2]

fropas wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Raxxman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

No...no no no no NO

The game is COMPLETE.  Again, ME3 is 100/100.  With the Prothean, it's 110/100!  I mean seriously!

I would INDEED say that ME2 without the DLC is complete.  They enrich the experience but they are NOT necessary for my enjoyment!

Your defintion of complete is wrong, no matter how many times you shout no.

Actually my definition is correct.  DLC enhances an experience, but is entirely optional.  Therefore the lack of it does NOT detract from the overall experience.

Your definition of DLC applies to true DLC.  If it's something that was planned in the game all along and was developed as part of them game, then cut at the last second because somebody figured out "hey just about anybody who likes this game would pay money for this to have a complete story", then that's not DLC.  That's critical game content being sold as DLC.

Derp.

It wasn't cut at the last second, it was always intended to come with the CE.  Origin leaked that info when they first put it up for preorder.

Misses the point.  Whether the"last second" decision was made early enough to advertise it as part of the CE has nothing to do with whether or not it was developed as part of the main storyline with the intent of being sold separately as extra revenue.  Perhaps instead of using the words "cut at last second" I should have stated "planned to be cut all along", congratulations on really nailing me on an irrelevant wording issue.

No it wasn't don't lie please.

He's not lying. There was a leaked script you know.

Leaked scrpit does not reflect the final product. He is lying because he has not played the game. Yet, he claims that this character was developed as a main part of the storyline. That's called lying.

You KNOW that it was a conscious decision at some point during the developement to sell seperately as DLC. Everyone knows this. This discussion is about whether or not it was right to do so.

[Rdubs]

DarthSliver wrote...

The Prothean Squadmate was intended for CE people only but they decided to allow SE buyers to be able to get that content because they saw people didnt want to get the digital version. So to sum this up SE buyers were originally intended to miss out on the Prothean but Bioware changed their mine and decided to let SE buyers purchase it as dlc and that is why its Day 1 dlc. It was never intended to go pass the CE copy of the game.

Darth this theory makes sense prima facie but it's not strongly credible when you think about the economics.  Businesses try to make as much money as possible.  In media like this, once the development cost is incurred the most important thing is maximizing revenue.  Which means trying to tap every possible revenue source.

Let's say there was some killer content that any fan HAD to have.  If the developer limited the size of that pool, then what would happen is the physical games which came with the special unlock code would start selling at a premium and the difference between the purchase price and the second-hand sale price would be profit for the original person owning the CE.  The developer is not going to let customers make money off the content; the developer is going to see that as an untapped source of revenue and offer the content themselves.  Therefore you can be sure that Bioware all along planned to release this DLC to the general community.  If you don't believe me, look on ebay for game called "Star Trek Bridge Commander" - this game eventually stopped production, but was such a good star trek game that it now sells on ebay for more than it cost originally.  Something similar would happen over time with the CE if it was the only way to get the Prothean content, and Bioware is smart enough to grab that revenue themselves instead of it passing through customers' hands.