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[Tobey2011]

Sique Foque wrote...

This whole "From Ashes"-business is pretty shady in my eyes; come on, Bioware " developed by a separate team", "not completed until well after the main game went into certification", really?

If your managing a project you are well aware what content you are goingt to work on and we are talking about a character who is essential to the main story line, it is a Prothean! You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. So even if the content wasn't done in time for certification, you should have made it for free as a courtesy to your fans. At least for some weeks or something. Not everyone was able to get the preorder for the Collector's Edition in time.

This is just coldly calculated on your and on EA's part.

I even had the luck of preordering the CE, but now I have a bad taste in my mouth...

Its not like it matters for launch day downloads, they can just make it available for everyone with one click and finally get some positive publicity instead of all the crap.

Modifié par Tobey2011, 24 février 2012 - 08:53 .

[Sique Foque]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. 

Why would they make DLC they didn't think people would want?

We aren't talking about DLC well after release, that is the significant difference. Don't be nit-picky.

[DeadLetterBox]

Sique Foque wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. 

Why would they make DLC they didn't think people would want?

We aren't talking about DLC well after release, that is the significant difference. Don't be nit-picky.

Okay, it may be a little nit-picky, I concede that point.  However, the fact that DLC is available day one does not mean that it is necessary for the game to be complete.  

[Rdubs]

fropas wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. This script wasn't even from a beta, it was just leaked from data mining. I don't know anything about the stuff you're talking about, but you were lying before and no one was calling you out on it, so I spoke up. Sorry all your beta talk just sounds like BS.

If you don't know anything about the stuff I'm talking about, please read up on it then before you provide commentary about it.  Here's a freebee. 
www.vg247.com/2011/11/05/internal-beta-for-mass-effect-3-accidentally-leaked-through-xbl-fall-preview/

And here is something that talks about how the script was pulled from this version.  Not a version from years ago.  Smart Russians.
http://www.gamespot....ust-been-leaked

[Tobey2011]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. 

Why would they make DLC they didn't think people would want?

We aren't talking about DLC well after release, that is the significant difference. Don't be nit-picky.

Okay, it may be a little nit-picky, I concede that point.  However, the fact that DLC is available day one does not mean that it is necessary for the game to be complete.  

Actually that is exactly what it means.

[Yuoaman]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. 

Why would they make DLC they didn't think people would want?

We aren't talking about DLC well after release, that is the significant difference. Don't be nit-picky.

Okay, it may be a little nit-picky, I concede that point.  However, the fact that DLC is available day one does not mean that it is necessary for the game to be complete.  

But the fact that it's ready to be released with the full game definitely rubs me the wrong way.

[Omega Torsk]

Klimy wrote...

Did I miss anything?
But Michael Gamble said what was known for months: CE will have DLC that will not be in NE. That was the reason many of us went after CE. And now when people found out what DLC that was, everyone started a rage-pidemic of why its not in their copy of the game.

Cut it out people, if you wanted that DLC so much, then you had to be loud almost a year ago rather than wait for the last week.

If anyone will go about "oh, but this is not how others do", then yeah it is. Many games include additional missions in CE that can be bought separately in NE (for example Deus Ex).

Personally Im against any promotional DLC and such, but when we all know about something almost a year ahead and dont do anything until we find out how cool that thing is and only then start bashing things in a last minute, thats just pathetic.

I like this human. He understands.

I honestly don't know what the outragers are anticipating will happen. Do you want Casey Hudson himself to waltz into this thread, throw himself at the mercy of the fanbase, say that it was wrong to include Day 1 DLC available to EVERYONE (the only difference is that if you didn't buy the CE, you have to pay 10 bucks) and make amends by releasing the content free of charge to all the people that bought either edition? I'm sorry, but I think everyone realizes that it just isn't going to happen.

We are now at the week-and-a-half mark! While you waste your time and energy debating on a forum, the game is most likely getting printed as I type! The DLC was greenlighted by EA and is ready for purchase on release day. And I hate to break it to ya, EA doesn't care about your whining. The sad truth is that they have a chance at profit and they are NOT going to abandon it for a very small vocal minority. Wasting your time insulting the Bioware devs is doing nothing other than making yourselves look bad. As the poster I quoted above said, if there was a window to complain about this and expect change, it closed a LONG time ago.

Also, to those that state bad business practices occured, they didn't. At all. If Bioware wanted to release their game in pieces, it's their right to do so. But, as it was stated by Gamble, they didn't. You get the full game. Prothy is about as relevant to ME3 as Kasumi was to ME2. And I'm surprised people aren't more thankful. Would you rather that Prothy be available exclusively to CE players like the Collector Armor of ME2? Bioware could have done that again, but they didn't. The only difference is that you have to pay a ONE-TIME fee of $10 in order to download it for the SE. I'm sure that if you cut out a fraction of an expenditure, you'll easily save that amount within a week. But I guess it's not the money, it's the principle, huh?

Whatever. I'm gonna go back to lurking because this thread is a wonder.

[jpzgoku]

this is bull. fragment the game so if we want the whole package it costs $70.

We consumers need to make a statement and stop buying dlc and stop supporting companies who pull this first day dlc and online pass bull**** on us. otherwise this will become the norm and every developer will adopt these policies.

[ScorpioProX]

But you don’t get more you get standard. Normal edition gets less. It’s all because its a prothean and day 1 dlc. Why the hell do you think I ordered the CE edition? For the "additional downloadable Mission & Characters" just like you! You just think you get EXTRA stuff because they say you get extra stuff I see its not extra stuff at all just stuff they cut out so they can call it EXTRA.

[DarthSliver]

There are worst practices being done out in the gaming industry than gaming companies trying to make a profit for what they do for a living. Look at Bethesda and any of their games, they always release broken and unplayable games but no one really complains about that. Maybe we should start getting games to be released playable before we aim for them to be released "complete" as has been put by this thread concerning ME series and its DLCs.

The main fact I see here is people are complaining for having to pay for extra content and if you feel that way than why did you buy Arrival or Lair of the Shadowbroker or any DLC for any other game that has ever been released.

[idlehandZ]

fropas wrote...

ScorpioProX wrote...

Pre orderd the CE edition.
But the prothean is just BS. All the ppl with CE saying well everyone should pay for it because I did as well are missing the point completely. You CE buyers did not pay for this. Our money went not to making this awesome new character it went towards cutting it out neatly so they can sell it back to us.

Being happy about that is just being stupid. If the CE edition rewarded us with EXTRA dlc then they would have offered something like “the first dlc pack for free with all CE editions”. Not day one dlc! Day one dlc is just bad form. And no I can’t prove anything. Because they could have done it honestly and actually spend extra money making this character/mission. But come on its EA.

Fighting your fellow consumers over the scrap you been told was extra special for you is just sad and exactly what they wanted.

But at least you feel extra special because you are one of the first Lemmings!

this was "extra content" promised to CE consumers. . .


see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

You're paying more mainly because of the exclusive items which SE buyers won't be able to get.

[macdadams2]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Sique Foque wrote...

You know that EVERYONE wants that Prothean, because it means a great deal to the story, even if it is just a sidequest. 

Why would they make DLC they didn't think people would want?

We aren't talking about DLC well after release, that is the significant difference. Don't be nit-picky.

Okay, it may be a little nit-picky, I concede that point.  However, the fact that DLC is available day one does not mean that it is necessary for the game to be complete.  

We have seen a few differing opinions on what complete means in this case. Fact is that it could have been included.  Many think it should have been.

[Kreidian]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

The Empress wrote...

T_l_M_B_0 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Poor Prothy. He escapes the reapers by cryo only to have Shep wake him up with the Reapers...reaping havoc again xD

I full expect his first words to be: "Awwww F*CK!"

Or  "F**k my life..."

*shepard takes prothean out of stasis and then talks to him*

             
                                                             Hi (please buy the DLC to access this option)

      *stare at prothean*         ()

                                                             I should go...

is it bad that I found this increadibly hilarious?

[JamesMoriarty123]

So it's included in the N7 Digital Deluxe version as well?

[DJBare]

Tobey2011 wrote...

Its not like it matters for launch day downloads, they can just make it available for everyone with one click and finally get some positive publicity instead of all the crap.

Along with legal and logistical backlash as CE owners try to claim back their money when they discover SE owners getting the content for free.

Modifié par DJBare, 24 février 2012 - 09:06 .

[kingsims]

fropas wrote...

ScorpioProX wrote...

Pre orderd the CE edition.
But the prothean is just BS. All the ppl with CE saying well everyone should pay for it because I did as well are missing the point completely. You CE buyers did not pay for this. Our money went not to making this awesome new character it went towards cutting it out neatly so they can sell it back to us.

Being happy about that is just being stupid. If the CE edition rewarded us with EXTRA dlc then they would have offered something like “the first dlc pack for free with all CE editions”. Not day one dlc! Day one dlc is just bad form. And no I can’t prove anything. Because they could have done it honestly and actually spend extra money making this character/mission. But come on its EA.

Fighting your fellow consumers over the scrap you been told was extra special for you is just sad and exactly what they wanted.

But at least you feel extra special because you are one of the first Lemmings!

this was "extra content" promised to CE consumers. . .


see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

Notice how the Dark Horse Comic book and DLC does not say Exclusive? (It was planned to rip off everyone), btw for those that say the CE w is not worth $80 are you serious. You get the soundtrack + artbook which cost  above $20 on their OWN + you get the guns, dog, hoodie, CE squad outfits, an awesome normandy picture all for $20 extra.

THE DLC should be in every copy.

Modifié par kingsims, 24 février 2012 - 09:07 .

[Amikae]

jpzgoku wrote...

this is bull. fragment the game so if we want the whole package it costs $70.

We consumers need to make a statement and stop buying dlc and stop supporting companies who pull this first day dlc and online pass bull**** on us. otherwise this will become the norm and every developer will adopt these policies.

What's funnier is that they thought this will go unnoticed and they can just sell theyr game at 70$. However me and many others have already cancelled our preorders, because we do not support this. I hope more people speak up.

Just a quick reminder for everyone tho. The price of SE in my country is about 60$. The CE is priced at 110$. Europe.

Modifié par Amikae, 24 février 2012 - 09:08 .

[Wulfram]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

So it's included in the N7 Digital Deluxe version as well?

yeah

[Beefcake9000]

fropas wrote...

see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

I ordered the DDE because I couldn't get the CE. When I ordered it didn't and still doesn't say anything about 'extra missions and characters.' Your advert doesn't mention this DLC specifically anyway. I guess in EAs eyes they could still try to sting me for this DLC on top if they really wanted to. It wouldn't shock me if they tried.

This DLC is simply the shameless exploitation of your fanbase.

'Are you a real ME fan? You'll want to play this then! It's our way of rewarding you for all your support of the franchise these years!*'

*for only 10 bucks

It's almost like we're expected to be grateful about it.

Saying this content isn't 'vital' is also lame. Most game content isn't 'vital' these days.

Let's look at what what the Skyrim launch might have been like following such an attitude -

Base Game: 60 bucks
Dark Brotherhood DLC: 10 bucks
Companions DLC: 10 bucks
College of Winterhold DLC: 10 bucks
Thieves Guild DLC: 10 bucks
Civil War DLC: 10 bucks

None of that DLC is 'vital' either. Is this really a precedent we want to encourage?

And no, I don't believe that because I can spend more money than someone else that i should get access to game features on day that they can't. When ME2 launched I could walk into a store and walk out with the complete package. I knew as long as I bought the game new I'd have the same experience as everyone else. That doesn't apply to ME3, where only those with the extra cash to burn get the 'complete' experience.

Yeah, it's business, they can do it if they want, but exploiting your fans like this doesn't encourage future custom.

[Kreidian]

DarthSliver wrote...

The Prothean Squadmate was intended for CE people only but they decided to allow SE buyers to be able to get that content because they saw people didnt want to get the digital version. So to sum this up SE buyers were originally intended to miss out on the Prothean but Bioware changed their mine and decided to let SE buyers purchase it as dlc and that is why its Day 1 dlc. It was never intended to go pass the CE copy of the game.

Honestly I never expected the companion would be a CE exclusive. I knew from the moment the Companion was leaked last year with the original CE anouncement that he would end up as a DLC companion, only that CE folks would get him automatically as part of their CE purchase.

If anything the N7 hoodie casual option for Shep is a better reason to get the CE since that might well be an actual exclusive. ( though even that wouldn't surprise me if it's made available later as a DLC )

[fropas]

Rdubs wrote...

fropas wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. This script wasn't even from a beta, it was just leaked from data mining. I don't know anything about the stuff you're talking about, but you were lying before and no one was calling you out on it, so I spoke up. Sorry all your beta talk just sounds like BS.

If you don't know anything about the stuff I'm talking about, please read up on it then before you provide commentary about it.  Here's a freebee. 
www.vg247.com/2011/11/05/internal-beta-for-mass-effect-3-accidentally-leaked-through-xbl-fall-preview/

And here is something that talks about how the script was pulled from this version.  Not a version from years ago.  Smart Russians.
http://www.gamespot....ust-been-leaked

But none of these people are even affliated with BW. So why would I believe any of them?

Their speculations are no more illuminating, on the descision making process behind this day-one DLC, than your own. I'm sorry you made descisions based on information from a PRIVATE beta. . .that was probably unwise. 

[Xellana]

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

[Tobey2011]

DJBare wrote...

Tobey2011 wrote...

Its not like it matters for launch day downloads, they can just make it available for everyone with one click and finally get some positive publicity instead of all the crap.

Along with legal and logistical backlash as CE owners try to claim back their money when they discover SE owners getting the content for free.

They're not getting the same content, as I understand there are many different extras? Either way it can't be worse monetary damage than this with videos telling people to boycott that have half a million views.

[DJBare]

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

Don't generalize, I've pre-ordered the CE, but I also advocate SE owners get the squady and mission DLC, I'm happy with my art book and patch.

[kingsims]

Acutally most of the CE people support the standard edition users into getting prothy. (Some of them understand the concept of day 1 DLC and how its BS to charge for it when it should have been a code with every new copy)