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[Rdubs]

fropas wrote...

ScorpioProX wrote...

Pre orderd the CE edition.
But the prothean is just BS. All the ppl with CE saying well everyone should pay for it because I did as well are missing the point completely. You CE buyers did not pay for this. Our money went not to making this awesome new character it went towards cutting it out neatly so they can sell it back to us.

Being happy about that is just being stupid. If the CE edition rewarded us with EXTRA dlc then they would have offered something like “the first dlc pack for free with all CE editions”. Not day one dlc! Day one dlc is just bad form. And no I can’t prove anything. Because they could have done it honestly and actually spend extra money making this character/mission. But come on its EA.

Fighting your fellow consumers over the scrap you been told was extra special for you is just sad and exactly what they wanted.

But at least you feel extra special because you are one of the first Lemmings!

this was "extra content" promised to CE consumers. . .


see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

The timing of when they made the decision to sell the Prothy as an extra is irrelevant.  It could have been made the very first day of ME3's development.  The issue here is the principle of PREMEDITATEDLY taking a character who is such an important part of the ME lore and making him extra, full well knowing that any big ME fan would want that character to be part of their ME experience.  Think of it like this: One could easily make the argument that in ME2, Legion was not an integral part of the story and the game could have been considered complete without him (albeit at a lower "bar").  Yet I don't know anyone who doesn't think of Legion as an awesome part of their ME2 experience.  It would be as if Bioware decided, hey let's weave in a Geth squadmate into the ME2 story while we develop the game but then pull him so we can offer him as extra content.  Again you can complete the game without him/it, but how would you feel if Bioware had hit you up for an extra $10 so you could have an even better experience?

[Slashice]

I've pre ordered CE version of ME3 but now I'm considering to cancel my pre-order... I mean I would get this DLC anyway for free, since it's included to the game but it's just unaccaptable to make a profit from other players who buy the normal version of the game... it's a damn PROTHEAN!!!!!! It's one of the most important species lore wise and you make a profit from it? ME2 came out with a lot of free DLC you only needed to register your product on Cerberus Network and you got free DLCs which weren't very important lore wise. Now you 'll have to pay for a DLC which is most important lore wise, because it's about a Prothean not some random mercenary soldier like Zaeed was in ME2!

Wtf is wrong with you Bioware and EA? You really wan't to loose fans because of such stupid profit making attitude?

I love Mass Effect but I maybe it's time to consider not buying the final episode... I love BioWare the only thing I bought the CE of Old Republic is to show my support for BioWare, same with Dragon Age 2... Don't disappoint me and us guys, you're better than this... period.

[nightcobra]

DJBare wrote...

Tobey2011 wrote...

Its not like it matters for launch day downloads, they can just make it available for everyone with one click and finally get some positive publicity instead of all the crap.

Along with legal and logistical backlash as CE owners try to claim back their money when they discover SE owners getting the content for free.

bioware already said the character DLC in the CE edition was free of charge.
even if their intention to buy the CE was for the DLC, they weren't actually paying for it but rather the collectibles.
this was bioware's way of getting people who wouldn't get the CE edition for the collectibles (as it should) but are enticed by DLC that could have been made available to all like in ME2 (the cerberus network)

[Kevin Lozandier]

heart again wrote...

Principles my ass. If it were really about principles then the complaining would have happened when the CE was first announced to have a character and mission that the SE would not.

AMEN....

[Amikae]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

heart again wrote...

Principles my ass. If it were really about principles then the complaining would have happened when the CE was first announced to have a character and mission that the SE would not.

AMEN....

Back then we didn't think that character would be much of a big deal. But this is a big deal and it is cut from the game on purpose.

[Genshie]

Slashice wrote...

I've pre ordered CE version of ME3 but now I'm considering to cancel my pre-order... I mean I would get this DLC anyway for free, since it's included to the game but it's just unaccaptable to make a profit from other players who buy the normal version of the game... it's a damn PROTHEAN!!!!!! It's one of the most important species lore wise and you make a profit from it? ME2 came out with a lot of free DLC you only needed to register your product on Cerberus Network and you got free DLCs which weren't very important lore wise. Now you 'll have to pay for a DLC which is most important lore wise, because it's about a Prothean not some random mercenary soldier like Zaeed was in ME2!

Wtf is wrong with you Bioware and EA? You really wan't to loose fans because of such stupid profit making attitude?

I love Mass Effect but I maybe it's time to consider not buying the final episode... I love BioWare the only thing I bought the CE of Old Republic is to show my support for BioWare, same with Dragon Age 2... Don't disappoint me and us guys, you're better than this... period.

 Like I have said many times before to many other users on here and TB's video comments it won't matter if you cancel a CE version of ME. If anything your canceled pre-order is just going to make another fan extremely happy and it will be purchased pretty damn fast. You thinking you are hurting Bioware by threatening to cancel a CE version is rather funny.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Slashice wrote...

I've pre ordered CE version of ME3 but now I'm considering to cancel my pre-order... I mean I would get this DLC anyway for free, since it's included to the game but it's just unaccaptable to make a profit from other players who buy the normal version of the game... it's a damn PROTHEAN!!!!!! It's one of the most important species lore wise and you make a profit from it? ME2 came out with a lot of free DLC you only needed to register your product on Cerberus Network and you got free DLCs which weren't very important lore wise. Now you 'll have to pay for a DLC which is most important lore wise, because it's about a Prothean not some random mercenary soldier like Zaeed was in ME2!

Wtf is wrong with you Bioware and EA? You really wan't to loose fans because of such stupid profit making attitude?

I love Mass Effect but I maybe it's time to consider not buying the final episode... I love BioWare the only thing I bought the CE of Old Republic is to show my support for BioWare, same with Dragon Age 2... Don't disappoint me and us guys, you're better than this... period.

You bought the CE knowing full well what you get INCLUDING an exclusive bonus character and mission....

9 months later and you're angry that it is a Prothean and a mission to go back to Eden Prime? Does that not spell fan-service to you? It's borderline mornic your logic right now... it was supposed to be a 'meh' bonus for the final game of the trilogy? Are you kidding me?

[DJBare]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
bioware already said the character DLC in the CE edition was free of charge.
even if their intention to buy the CE was for the DLC, they weren't actually paying for it but rather the collectibles.
this was bioware's way of getting people who wouldn't get the CE edition for the collectibles (as it should) but are enticed by DLC that could have been made available to all like in ME2 (the cerberus network)

This is the real world, I'm well aware that the DLC is "free" for purchases of the CE, and while others maybe also aware, you can bet that won't stop them attempting to take legal action if that DLC becomes available free for SE owners.

[Xellana]

DJBare wrote...

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

Don't generalize, I've pre-ordered the CE, but I also advocate SE owners get the squady and mission DLC, I'm happy with my art book and patch.

kingsims wrote...

Acutally most of the CE people support
the standard edition users into getting prothy. (Some of them understand
the concept of day 1 DLC and how its BS to charge for it when it should
have been a code with every new copy)

Oh no, sorry. You misunderstood my comment there.
I didn´t want to generalize the CE-Community. I didn´t say that all the CE owners are this way.

What I did say is that all the people who are actively defending bioware/ea in this matter seem to be people who already have the CE pre-ordered.

[Rdubs]

Klimy wrote...

macdadams2 wrote...

Many people with the CE are the one's complaining. Just because we have it doesn't make it right.

I agree that its not right (although as a lucky owner of CE I dont much care), I also said that Im against any such things (promo DLC, retailer DLC, like facebook DLC, kiss my boots and get DLC). 

What I find wrong is the fact that this hysteric started just now, not after we found out that CE will have DLC, but after we found out what that DLC was. 
Also whats wrong with this is that people say "its was cut out" or "it was cut out last second". The thing that was cut out last second a year ago, is nto really a last second. but instead its a planed dessision. 

I think Klimy sums up the current issue pretty well, it's easy to get off track: Is it okay to have a planned decision to cut content with the intent of charging extra for it.  My belief is: Not if that content is related to an integral part of the story or lore.  Artifically lowering the standard so one can call the game "complete" while that rich, extra content intentionally sits on the sidelines is a step too far.  Again think of it like this: If Legion had been developed to be part of the game (as he was), except it was an even more important character, but at some point Bioware decided hey let's cut him and offer him for $10 extra, we'll still call the game "complete" without him, how many people would find that acceptable?

EDIT: I have the CE as I am a big fan, but it is the principle.

Modifié par Rdubs, 24 février 2012 - 09:18 .

[fropas]

Beefcake9000 wrote...

fropas wrote...

see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

I ordered the DDE because I couldn't get the CE. When I ordered it didn't and still doesn't say anything about 'extra missions and characters.' Your advert doesn't mention this DLC specifically anyway. I guess in EAs eyes they could still try to sting me for this DLC on top if they really wanted to. It wouldn't shock me if they tried.

This DLC is simply the shameless exploitation of your fanbase.

'Are you a real ME fan? You'll want to play this then! It's our way of rewarding you for all your support of the franchise these years!*'

*for only 10 bucks

It's almost like we're expected to be grateful about it.

Saying this content isn't 'vital' is also lame. Most game content isn't 'vital' these days.

Let's look at what what the Skyrim launch might have been like following such an attitude -

Base Game: 60 bucks
Dark Brotherhood DLC: 10 bucks
Companions DLC: 10 bucks
College of Winterhold DLC: 10 bucks
Thieves Guild DLC: 10 bucks
Civil War DLC: 10 bucks

None of that DLC is 'vital' either. Is this really a precedent we want to encourage?

And no, I don't believe that because I can spend more money than someone else that i should get access to game features on day that they can't. When ME2 launched I could walk into a store and walk out with the complete package. I knew as long as I bought the game new I'd have the same experience as everyone else. That doesn't apply to ME3, where only those with the extra cash to burn get the 'complete' experience.

Yeah, it's business, they can do it if they want, but exploiting your fans like this doesn't encourage future custom.

No, I was promised a CE with all the features seen in the picture. I pre-ordered a CE with those features in mind. I don't like the idea of any of the content, I pay extra for, to be available for free. Simply because people have "principles" doesn't entitle them to content they didn't pay for. If you don't like it I suggest you boycott the game. Perhaps BW/EA will change their business practices in the future--just not right now (when I'm going to be paying more to get more.)

[DeadLetterBox]

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

I don't feel special for pre-ordering the CE.  I pre-ordered that because I wanted it.  I just don't feel like you're getting screwed.  I paid extra for the CE, a lot of people think I'm a sucker for that, but one reason I decided to do that was knowing things would be included that affected the game.  

[kingsims]

Most people people thought it was a zaeed or a kasumi (This is fine, hell even if vega was dlc id be fine) but not an extinct race (Hell imagine if CE users got a Rachni squadmate, i would be pissed off as most other paragon players)

[DeadLetterBox]

kingsims wrote...

Most people people thought it was a zaeed or a kasumi (This is fine, hell even if vega was dlc id be fine) but not an extinct race (Hell imagine if CE users got a Rachni squadmate, i would be pissed off as most other paragon players)

I can see that point.  I still think it's fair to charge for the DLC, but I see that point.  The DLC still costs less than what the CE did, though.

[Exia001]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

I don't feel special for pre-ordering the CE.  I pre-ordered that because I wanted it.  I just don't feel like you're getting screwed.  I paid extra for the CE, a lot of people think I'm a sucker for that, but one reason I decided to do that was knowing things would be included that affected the game.  

Exactly its not like the CE has been sprung upon you, you knew it was coming for half a year or more if you didn't get it thats your hard luck at least its being offered to you

[Kevin Lozandier]

Amikae wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

heart again wrote...

Principles my ass. If it were really about principles then the complaining would have happened when the CE was first announced to have a character and mission that the SE would not.

AMEN....

Back then we didn't think that character would be much of a big deal. But this is a big deal and it is cut from the game on purpose.

Again, you're expectation of DLC and bonuses trouble me: Why can't bonus content not seem meaningful? No one said squat when you had to buy another Bioware to technically receieve essentially the most powerful armor in the game (Blood Dragon Armor).

No one said anything about having to go to Gamespot if you wanted one of the coolest Heavy Weapons in the game (The Grav Gun).

No one said anything that the Collector's edition let you equip Armor of Collectors, aren't they are key part of the Mass Effect lore?


I'm saying, fans here are looking at it in a way that is so hypocritical, it's sickening.... Honestly, business-wise, this content fits perfectly with what a CE of a game should be: Have additional in-game content would want  people want to play, that would appeal to long-time fans, and make it desired more than the Standard Edition of the game. 

I've said over and over and over again: Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with that's not on regular editions.

 

The only people who would see this as a huge character are long-time fans of the series. It's free in the edition for long-time fans.

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[fropas]

Rdubs wrote...

fropas wrote...

ScorpioProX wrote...

Pre orderd the CE edition.
But the prothean is just BS. All the ppl with CE saying well everyone should pay for it because I did as well are missing the point completely. You CE buyers did not pay for this. Our money went not to making this awesome new character it went towards cutting it out neatly so they can sell it back to us.

Being happy about that is just being stupid. If the CE edition rewarded us with EXTRA dlc then they would have offered something like “the first dlc pack for free with all CE editions”. Not day one dlc! Day one dlc is just bad form. And no I can’t prove anything. Because they could have done it honestly and actually spend extra money making this character/mission. But come on its EA.

Fighting your fellow consumers over the scrap you been told was extra special for you is just sad and exactly what they wanted.

But at least you feel extra special because you are one of the first Lemmings!

this was "extra content" promised to CE consumers. . .


see the part that says "additional downloadable Mission & Characters"? I don't care if you think I'm a lemming. You're the one who is misinformed. I'm paying for more content and SE consumers shouldn't get that same content for less money. . .that's just my opinion.

The timing of when they made the decision to sell the Prothy as an extra is irrelevant.  It could have been made the very first day of ME3's development.  The issue here is the principle of PREMEDITATEDLY taking a character who is such an important part of the ME lore and making him extra, full well knowing that any big ME fan would want that character to be part of their ME experience.  Think of it like this: One could easily make the argument that in ME2, Legion was not an integral part of the story and the game could have been considered complete without him (albeit at a lower "bar").  Yet I don't know anyone who doesn't think of Legion as an awesome part of their ME2 experience.  It would be as if Bioware decided, hey let's weave in a Geth squadmate into the ME2 story while we develop the game but then pull him so we can offer him as extra content.  Again you can complete the game without him/it, but how would you feel if Bioware had hit you up for an extra $10 so you could have an even better experience?

Well since we're talking about purely hypothtical bucks here I'd be fine with it. They could charge me 1,000,000 hypothetical dollars. In make believe land where Legion wasn't released on the disc.

[Genshie]

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

I don't feel special for pre-ordering the CE.  I pre-ordered that because I wanted it.  I just don't feel like you're getting screwed.  I paid extra for the CE, a lot of people think I'm a sucker for that, but one reason I decided to do that was knowing things would be included that affected the game.  

Also I like to mention that alot of CE peeps already knew or predicted that CE versions would sell out pretty fast. I assumed since ME 2 sold so well that this would happen back in July of last year. I wanted to show my appreciation for the series as a fan so I pre-order the CE back in late July/August. I was just being a smart consumer/buyer at the time when I pre-ordered it.

[DeadLetterBox]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...



I've said over and over and over again: Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with that's not on regular editions.

 

The only people who would see this as a huge character are long-time fans of the series. It's free in the edition for long-time fans.

I agree with you on most of this, but it isn't fair to imply that people who didn't order the CE are not long-time fans.

[Xellana]

Exia001 wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

I don't feel special for pre-ordering the CE.  I pre-ordered that because I wanted it.  I just don't feel like you're getting screwed.  I paid extra for the CE, a lot of people think I'm a sucker for that, but one reason I decided to do that was knowing things would be included that affected the game.  

Exactly its not like the CE has been sprung upon you, you knew it was coming for half a year or more if you didn't get it thats your hard luck at least its being offered to you

That´s exactly what I mean. I have yet to find one person who thinks that this is okay, that has NOT already the CE preordered.
I just don´t think it´s okay to split the fanbase that way, in the sense that the CE get a "bigger" game than the rest. Artbooks, Soundtrack, physical Items, Cosmetic ingame-items etc etc all okay, but not actual relevant game content.

[jpzgoku]

People who support and defend companies who have first day DLC are just as bad, maybe worse, than these companies.

These companies obviously want to make more money and pulling content and charging $10 extra, essentially making the game $70. Consumers who support this are freely giving up their rights as a consumer and are encouraging companies to continue these practices.

[heart again]

fropas wrote...

No, I was promised a CE with all the features seen in the picture. I pre-ordered a CE with those features in mind. I don't like the idea of any of the content, I pay extra for, to be available for free. Simply because people have "principles" doesn't entitle them to content they didn't pay for. If you don't like it I suggest you boycott the game. Perhaps BW/EA will change their business practices in the future--just not right now (when I'm going to be paying more to get more.)

[Rdubs]

fropas wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

fropas wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. This script wasn't even from a beta, it was just leaked from data mining. I don't know anything about the stuff you're talking about, but you were lying before and no one was calling you out on it, so I spoke up. Sorry all your beta talk just sounds like BS.

If you don't know anything about the stuff I'm talking about, please read up on it then before you provide commentary about it.  Here's a freebee. 
www.vg247.com/2011/11/05/internal-beta-for-mass-effect-3-accidentally-leaked-through-xbl-fall-preview/

And here is something that talks about how the script was pulled from this version.  Not a version from years ago.  Smart Russians.
http://www.gamespot....ust-been-leaked

But none of these people are even affliated with BW. So why would I believe any of them?

Their speculations are no more illuminating, on the descision making process behind this day-one DLC, than your own. I'm sorry you made descisions based on information from a PRIVATE beta. . .that was probably unwise. 

Ah yes, I'm sure Bioware spent time and development cost creating a special version of the Beta just for a select audience which was different from the main version they were developing.  Thinking that, now that would be unwise.

Flash: Magazines like Game Informer aren't affiliated with Bioware either.  Does that mean when they publish a story you shouldn't read it because it is not an official Bioware press release?  

[Amikae]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
I'm saying, fans here are looking at it in a way that is so hypocritical, it's sickening....

What's sickening is that you don't seem to get it. Game companies are starting to milk us and you don't care. In the past good game companies made good games and sold a complete game. These days you see them cut content on purpose to sell it. If you can't see the problem here, you're in trouble.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Amikae, 24 février 2012 - 09:29 .

[DarthSliver]

Genshie wrote...

DeadLetterBox wrote...

Xellana wrote...

The only people defending this are the people who preordered the CE and feel special now, because nothing changes for them while everybody else gets screwed.

I don't feel special for pre-ordering the CE.  I pre-ordered that because I wanted it.  I just don't feel like you're getting screwed.  I paid extra for the CE, a lot of people think I'm a sucker for that, but one reason I decided to do that was knowing things would be included that affected the game.  

Also I like to mention that alot of CE peeps already knew or predicted that CE versions would sell out pretty fast. I assumed since ME 2 sold so well that this would happen back in July of last year. I wanted to show my appreciation for the series as a fan so I pre-order the CE back in late July/August. I was just being a smart consumer/buyer at the time when I pre-ordered it.

This is the same reason I ordered the CE version of the game, I wanted to support the company that made the one of my favorite game series to date and support the series along with that too.