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[Exia001]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

Same, I couldnt give a toss about this princples ****, even if I had the SE if just kick myself for not getting a CE and move on, after all its just gonna be me and ME at the end of the day

Modifié par Exia001, 24 février 2012 - 10:26 .

[Evilelf007]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

March 6th can't come soon enough!

Exia001 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

Same,
I couldnt give a toss about this princples ****, even if I had the SE
if just kick myself for not getting a CE and move on, after all its
just gonna be me and ME at the end of the day

Now that's the type of attitude that belongs in the group id'd by my sig banner!  Click it and join us! 

Modifié par Evilelf007, 24 février 2012 - 10:28 .

[PeaRLoFJaM]

when the ultimate deluxe prestige elite true fan game of the year edition eventually comes out more or less 6 months afterwards. Nightcobra8928

But by then the base game will be 30$ so you still end up paying 30$ extra for the DLC. Good times...

[nightcobra]

fropas wrote...


What's acceptible to you doesn't matter. I'm buying a product from EA and I expect them to give me what they promised. I don't care what you think I "should" get in my CE. No offense. . .

none taken, i'm just from the school of thought that a collector's edition bonuses should be something a collector would want, but hey what do i know?

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[DifferentD17]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

It's also possible you'll still be able to learn anything the Prothean would tell you without the DLC:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/8006985/175#9436591

sirdario1986 wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Butcher_of_Torfan wrote...
Is Javik still in the game, but just not a squadie if the DLC isnt purchases?

He isn't in the game at all without the DLC.

Could be that you're wrong, my friend, and sorry but I really hope that! Read what Jessica Merizan answered to a direct question:

 
There's a theory going around that whatever you could've learned from this Prothean is already part of the core game, you don't need the DLC to get that content. What you do need this DLC for isto bring him along for the ride. I'm inclined to believe this, to be honest. But we won't know for certain until the game comes out.

And Jessica answered:

 
No spoilers from me, but you may[/i] be on the right train of thought with that

Though it's not confirmed of course, just a theory people have had.

Hopefully it won't be shoved in the people's faces that don't have the DLC. Like it was in DA:O

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@evilelf007
I know

[Kevin Lozandier]

Xellana wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

I am greatful that you are being civil, thank you.

But isn't the poiont of a CE that it is not the same game as an SE, the ONLY reason I brought CE so fast was because I wanted the Prothean

No, I think this is what causes the uproar. I have never seen a CE where there is relevant (I don´t mean "essential by that") game content. Additional missions, something like that. CE were always about getting something cosmetic, something gimmiky (a statue or an USB-Stick), the soundtrack, a poster or something like that. Not additional game content.

HELL NO. That is a  crappy Collector's Edition if you ask me. And it goes back to my original premise that I'm sure I'm irking people repeating over and over again: Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with that's not on regular editions. 


That notion of Collector Editions are the reason why some Collector Editions of many games are still store shelves.

For movies this is only okay if the movie is not just released.
Imagine a movie day1 release in cinemas where there are 2 versions of the movie. One is more expensive and has more footage (the whole movie), while the other version is a bit cheaper, but has not the whole movie in it.

I think people would compain there as much as they complain here.

No. I already addressed this with someone who tried to make the same analogy. It is below (not addressed to you): 

No offense, but Director's Cut content doesn't come out of thin air; it was usually made when the parts of the film you did see on theaters was shot. SOMETIMES they shoot again afterwards if they feel some deleted scenes needed continouation to make sense. This is FACT.

 

Plus your argument is flawed. The Prothean and Eden parts you can say for certain are 'official' versions of Mass Effect 3; therefore I suggest you rethink what you're saying.



Just like most deleted scenes of films, Directors try sometimes to add it in the story or shoot it for an alternate take to perhaps revisit during the development of the movie. It's not far-fetched that this happened here. They tried to integrate this prothean, and it couldn't happen: Either it lessened the story of Shepard, it felt forced (trying too hard to have the Prothean have a role), it made the story less bleak, or gave off an emotion in the story that was not desired, and
so forth. 

I don´t see a point in what you said there, that disagrees with my statement earlier, that it doesn´t justify 2 different versions of the same game at day1 release. If this were done with movies in day1 cinema releases, people would complain. I´m sure of it.
All that you said there is absolutely true, but it doesn´t make my statement above any less true.

I wrote another reply to another poster that better answered your point. Gaming doesn't have all the licencing and distribution loopholes to delay cutted content from reaching their potential buyer's hand. In addition, game developers have a rather huge window to make something as long as 1-3 hour DLC that is done while the main game is being debugged.

some game developers will finish the game levels, game mechanics, game bosses, game scenarios and THEN make up the story and then from that process make additional content reflecting what they belive they should have added and then created it later for DLC. 

[DJBare]

Evilelf007 wrote...
March 6th can't come soon enough!

Meh, shut up, I gotta wait till the 9th

[Meuporg]

The main problem with day one DLC is the context.

Most of the games (including Mass Effect 3) are linked to the Internet (Origin for PC, and manufacturers networks for consoles).
So, it's easy to add content, even for physical version of a game, and so a DLC can be broadcast on the day of the game's release. In this case, logistical problems can not be invoked and only one possible answer left : profits.
It's absolutely logical for a company : business, business, living, etc.

Now this leads to another question : EA/BioWare are great companies. With EA support (see shares on the market), the vital needs of employees have no reason to be compromised.
Why Valve (on PC support), who has the same level of influence, can release FREE DLC ? (they view this point as a "service").
Have they a different development model ? Why should we accept a model that inhibits our ability to share our talents ? Valve and some other companies find a way to release free DLC without profits losing. As great companies, EA and BioWare have the opportunity to develop the art of video game...

..at least for their fans, their families, their dignity and sense of life.
As customers, it is interesting to ask such questions

Modifié par Meuporg, 24 février 2012 - 10:30 .

[MonkeySeeker]

DJBare wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
March 6th can't come soon enough!

Meh, shut up, I gotta wait till the 9th

Yeah, me too :crying:

[Rdubs]

Severyx wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Severyx wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Pretty graphic which misses the point, still misses the point.  The issue isn't development cycles - the issue is about what is considered "premium day 1 DLC."   People are pissed because a character as critical to the lore of the ME experience should be part of the basic game, not hocked as "optional" DLC full well knowing that anyone who likes the story would feel obligated to buy the DLC or miss out on key parts of the story.

Then get the DLC and feel like you've got the full experience or refuse to pay and feel like the universe is aligned to hate you.

That said, I think the people who have that mentality miss the point most of all. And a squadmate is most certainly optional. Could you get though ME2 without ever bothering to download Kasumi? You most certainly can.

Can you get through ME3 without having a Prothean squadmate? You most certainly can. It's a cool idea, but in no way 'lore critical'. That language is for entitleistic boobs who can't stand the idea of someone having something they don't have.

Guess you missed that I already ordered the CE.  So I guess I can't stand someone else having something I don't have except I do have it.

It's a matter of principle.  I defer to Legion - they could have taken him out as a squadmate and said, nope he's $10 extra.  But who didn't enjoy Legion as part of their ME2 experience?  And he was WAY less important to the whole ME story than someone like this.

And you missed the point where I generalized the idea instead of directly attacking you as a person.

And you're also still missing the point of how this all gets created. DLC content was not decided upon when they lined out the scope of the game, but rather something they thought would be cool to do later, by a team of developers who've had their positions recycled because their roles on the ME3 game development process had been fulfilled.

It's not principle. It's a simple logical order of things. Don't chalk it up to them making decisions about content when you don't quite know what you're talking about. The Prothean wasn't originally a squadmate for ANY ME3 owner. It was decided upon LATER to add it in the form of DLC. The graphic depicting development cycles has some important and truthful data about real world numbers. Might be a good idea to look into it.

Here we go again, taking things at face value.  Just because Bioware labels something as "DLC" so they can sell it for extra doesn't automatically mean that it was indeed developed along the traditional DLC path.  It's quite possible that the character was designed all along to be integrated into the game yet sold separately, similar to Shale in DA:O except he was free with a purchased copy (and most people understand why they do that).  And from what I've seen there's evidence pointing towards this is what happened.  You seem to think the Prothean as a squaddie was decided after the core game was already finalized.  We could talk about whose source is more credible, but I'm sincerely hoping your source isn't "Bioware calls it DLC therefore it must have been developed post hoc."
Regardless there is the other issue people are talking about which is that it's really good content to have which adds depth to the story, unlike Zaeed or Kasumi and should be considered part of the core experience.  TBD the first aspect (premeditated gouging) bothers me more as long as there is absolutely zero story content left out of having the guy as a squad member - but the return to Eden Prime, which I consider to be HUGE to any ME fan, invalidates that.

[Exia001]

DJBare wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...
March 6th can't come soon enough!

Meh, shut up, I gotta wait till the 9th

I share your pain, brother

[Biotic Sage]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

March 6th can't come soon enough!

Exia001 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

Same,
I couldnt give a toss about this princples ****, even if I had the SE
if just kick myself for not getting a CE and move on, after all its
just gonna be me and ME at the end of the day

Now that's the type of attitude that belongs in the group id'd by my sig banner!  Click it and join us! 

I'm a laid back guy, but personally I tend to give a **** when companies practice bad business.  When people let that happen and say they "don't give a ****" instead of standing up and saying, "Ok, that crosses a line," the only thing that road leads to is a bleak future for creative content in which it is overpriced, soulless, and milked.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

I feel bad for ppl in europe it's hard enough waiting for March 6th

[The Empress]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I feel bad for ppl in europe it's hard enough waiting for March 6th

Luckily It's just around the corner. :happy:

[fropas]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

March 6th can't come soon enough!

Exia001 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

Same,
I couldnt give a toss about this princples ****, even if I had the SE
if just kick myself for not getting a CE and move on, after all its
just gonna be me and ME at the end of the day

Now that's the type of attitude that belongs in the group id'd by my sig banner!  Click it and join us! 

I'm a laid back guy, but personally I tend to give a **** when companies practice bad business.  When people let that happen and say they "don't give a ****" instead of standing up and saying, "Ok, that crosses a line," the only thing that road leads to is a bleak future for creative content in which it is overpriced, soulless, and milked.

honestly, I think we would care a lot more if EA/BW WAS trying to milk more cash from us, but we already are buying CEs so, we don't have any Fs left to give SE consumers.

[Exia001]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

March 6th can't come soon enough!

Exia001 wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I'm getting the N7 CE so I'm excited

Same,
I couldnt give a toss about this princples ****, even if I had the SE
if just kick myself for not getting a CE and move on, after all its
just gonna be me and ME at the end of the day

Now that's the type of attitude that belongs in the group id'd by my sig banner!  Click it and join us! 

I'm a laid back guy, but personally I tend to give a **** when companies practice bad business.  When people let that happen and say they "don't give a ****" instead of standing up and saying, "Ok, that crosses a line," the only thing that road leads to is a bleak future for creative content in which it is overpriced, soulless, and milked.

Oh friend, I agree with you...Its just that I draw the line somewhere else. If, for example a game said 'To see the ending pay 19 pounds, or access the second half, I'd be pissed and halt buying and emark on a faux crusade...As it happens, for one character I'm not getting out of my chair

[Chewin]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I feel bad for ppl in europe it's hard enough waiting for March 6th

One day here and there won't hurt that much. I mean, there are people who are already playing it.

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@Chewin3
Lies totally blasphemy

[DJBare]

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I feel bad for ppl in europe it's hard enough waiting for March 6th

I'm not overly bothered I have to wait an extra 3 days, but it means I have to force myself to stay away from the forums for those 3 days, you think the spoilers are bad now, it's going to be a nightmare with the grumpy's throwing major spoilers into thread titles.

[Rdubs]

Xellana wrote...

For movies this is only okay if the movie is not just released.
Imagine a movie day1 release in cinemas where there are 2 versions of the movie. One is more expensive and has more footage (the whole movie), while the other version is a bit cheaper, but has not the whole movie in it.

I think people would compain there as much as they complain here.

Was thinking about this movie analogy, I don't think the Director's Cut is the best analogy.  I was thinking about one of my favorite movies of all time: Aliens.
Everyone remembers the huge boss fight with the Alien queen at the end.  I think the analogy is, what if you went to the theater and found they had the "main" version for $15 where the movie ended after they got back on board their ship all safe and sound, but for $2 more you could have the "special" version where you'd get the fight with the queen added in.  I think people's response would be based on two thing:
1) Was it something filmed additionally after the main film had been completed, or was it something that was shot as part of the main story but was then cut so it could be offered for extra money?
2) How important is it to having an AWESOME story?  Aliens would still have been awesome even without the queen fight, but the queen fight made it even more awesome.  Again the "But these amps go to 11!" view.  I think people would expect something as cool as the queen fight to be included in the movie.  Something which people might not care so much about (but which were contained in the Special Edition): the scene where the colonists find the derelict ship with the eggs, and the automated turrets ripping apart the aliens.  As a big fan I loved those scenes, but most people probably didn't care.

[Evilelf007]

Biotic Sage wrote...

I'm a laid back guy, but personally I tend to give a **** when companies practice bad business.  When people let that happen and say they "don't give a ****" instead of standing up and saying, "Ok, that crosses a line," the only thing that road leads to is a bleak future for creative content in which it is overpriced, soulless, and milked.

I happen to think Bioware is doing very good buisness, not unethical milking, so no sympathy coming from me who think otherwise.

[ElementL09]

DJBare wrote...

Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...

I feel bad for ppl in europe it's hard enough waiting for March 6th

I'm not overly bothered I have to wait an extra 3 days, but it means I have to force myself to stay away from the forums for those 3 days, you think the spoilers are bad now, it's going to be a nightmare with the grumpy's throwing major spoilers into thread titles.

When the main game gets leaked (it will) people will come to forums and post spoilers as titles of threads.  Whent that happens, I'm going dark and staying away from the internet.

[Xellana]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

I wrote another reply to another poster that better answered your point. Gaming doesn't have all the licencing and distribution loopholes to delay cutted content from reaching their potential buyer's hand. In addition, game developers have a rather huge window to make something as long as 1-3 hour DLC that is done while the main game is being debugged.

But why does this automatically mean that I have to pay extra for that content?

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@DJBare
Yeah when people get their hands on ME3 I won't be on the forums until I finish the game