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[Siran]

J.amber wrote...

i haven't looked at that video, people keep posting .. but does the video start with advertising? or something on his page like that ... you people do realize, that the people who create video or vid blogs w/e usually have an agreement with youtube right .. they actually make money from youtube lol (mind you only the ones who get crazy amounts of views on all their video's) so if this guy who posted that video is one of them that get paid, he's gonna be as dramatic as possible to get lots of views b/c that means $ for him lol

Yeah, but with this argument you can invalidate anything Bioware says, since they are "biased". Trust starts somewhere. And I believe the guy who created the whole Mass Effect Universe for us, and not some random, people who had absolutely nothing to do with ME except nibbling away at a demo to reveal a soundbite from a DLC. Hell, there's even Shadow Broker soundbites in the original ME2 - preorder cancelled!!! (Oh, wait, that one's already out, blast!)

[NoxJuked]

Rdubs wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

No I don't believe a prothean is going to play as big a role as Legion. Legion is very crucial to the game as you can reprogram the geth to possibly help you in ME3 he has an army behind him. The prothean is just 1 prothean

"Just 1 Prothean."  LOL.  How far we've fallen.

:/ I believe he's a nice edition to the game but 1 prothean that so happened to survive isn't offering as much as Legion is which is a whole army. In fact niether of us know for sure what the prothean is worth because he isn't out yet. The game isn't even out yet so I can't even say it's worth 60$. You have been throwing out that the prothean has been cut from the game like you work at EA/Bioware and know exactly what happened, it sounds more like a theory to me and you are either with Bioware/EA or against them because you now don't trust their word.

[nightcobra]

heart again wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

heart again wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

heart again wrote...


So what you are saying is that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped it would change?

quite the contrary, i hoped it would stay the same.

In truth it wasn't like that to begin with as far as ME3 is concerned though.

then direct me to where in the poster the offers are worded differently or better yet direct me to the developer's own word that this was how it was going to be from the start, actual quotes, not assumptions.

You want to talk about assumptions???  You were the one who assumed that for some reason one specific thing listed on the CE features would be included in the SE.

it's far more of an educated guess due to the fact that they did it and not just once in the past and no proof was given to the contrary as per the wording on the advertisement poster.

[Siran]

DJBare wrote...

Siran wrote...

It's called "Take Earth Back".

Not "Take Ilos Back" (or whatever their homeworld was called)

There ya go.

Ilos was never the Prothean homeworld, it was a research world where they where conducting tests on the conduit.

Modifié par Siran, 24 février 2012 - 11:53 .

[DJBare]

Siran wrote...
Ilos was never the Prothean homeworld, it was a research world where they where conducting tests on the conduit.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ilos

[Gamer391]

You said collector's edition has been sold-out in most places. Does that mean NO collector's edition in the stores on & after 6th March? Or was it not meant to be sold in stores from the beginning itself?

[Siran]

DJBare wrote...

Siran wrote...
Ilos was never the Prothean homeworld, it was a research world where they where conducting tests on the conduit.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ilos

Then show where it says there that it's the Prothean homeworld

It even says here that Ilos was home to a "research team", merely a facility - I don't think the Reapers would have overlooked anything on the Prothean homeworld itself.

Modifié par Siran, 24 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[OdanUrr]

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake. Now, logically, I would assume that meant the Prothean was not the bonus squadmate for the CE, but regardless of my personal assumptions, the only time the Prothean was announced to be part of the CE was when they were forced to announce the "From Ashes" DLC ahead of schedule.

You might argue that it was leaked elsewhere that the bonus squadmate would indeed be a Prothean and I would argue that no person is in any manner obliged to seek information outside official statements in order to verify their validity. In fact, that would simply imply that the official statements are not to be trusted. It is indeed a pity he was not announced as part of the CE so we could've had this conversation months before release.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 24 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Shadowrun1177]

Gamer391 wrote...

You said collector's edition has been sold-out in most places. Does that mean NO collector's edition in the stores on & after 6th March? Or was it not meant to be sold in stores from the beginning itself?

There could be some after the release date if people don't pick their copy or if a store ordered extra, but there is no guarantee that there will be.

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
That's definitely a good place to draw the line.  For me though, the trend in DLC and gaming in general that I've seen over the last 7 or so years is what causes me to draw the line.  It's not a specific point that's caused me to draw the line, it's the consistent evidence of a slippery slope to that inevitable conclusion.  This is just one more piece of the puzzle, by itself not a big deal, but placed into the context of the gaming industry quite disturbing.

And I thought I was the only one with this view on here, yup, this is where I draw the line, but I'm not going to let principle ruin my enjoyment of the last chapter of this game, yeah I'm a sucker, but only because it's the last in the trilogy, it will however be my last purchase until I see things change.

 

I'm right along the lines with you on this... okay I'm get this game and not cancel my pre-order  one day - I might get my MS point to get the DLC or I might get my a some food sit down and play my game.  What is going happen though its after March 6th. I'll just buy Bioware games used  or from the discount bin.   They are absolutely right - I'm not entitled to anything but guess what that cuts both ways  because they are not entitled to have my money either just because they feel that I'm a fan... So day 1 paid DLC ...  characters  becoming  Collecters Edition perks.  

I'm a customer and consumer 1st and a fan second and that is what seems to be lost in all this... damn shame too.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[HiroVoid]

You said collector's edition has been sold-out in most places. Does that mean NO
collector's edition in the stores on & after 6th March? Or was it
not meant to be sold in stores from the beginning itself?

I'd expect to find some right around and right after release date if you keep your eyes open.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 24 février 2012 - 12:03 .

[Rdubs]

NoxJuked wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

No I don't believe a prothean is going to play as big a role as Legion. Legion is very crucial to the game as you can reprogram the geth to possibly help you in ME3 he has an army behind him. The prothean is just 1 prothean

"Just 1 Prothean."  LOL.  How far we've fallen.

:/ I believe he's a nice edition to the game but 1 prothean that so happened to survive isn't offering as much as Legion is which is a whole army. In fact niether of us know for sure what the prothean is worth because he isn't out yet. The game isn't even out yet so I can't even say it's worth 60$. You have been throwing out that the prothean has been cut from the game like you work at EA/Bioware and know exactly what happened, it sounds more like a theory to me and you are either with Bioware/EA or against them because you now don't trust their word.

I could make the same argument about people who try to claim the Prothean was never included at all, that unless they are an employee they are just guessing.  The only difference is I've become aware (unintentionally, sadly) of some things from the accidentally released script which lends more credibility to the "cut content" camp than the "new idea came up with later" camp.

Also, it's not a real strong argument to say people cared about Legion because he could bring lots of Geth to the table.  People liked Legion because 1) He was a cool dude to talk to and had great interaction, especially if you brought him to Tali's trial, and 2) he was a frikking GETH.  HANGING OUT WITH YOU.  It doesn't have anything to do with the tangible value the character can bring in terms of combat power as far as what people think of when they are considering their "experience", it has everything to do with character interaction.

[Evilelf007]

J.amber wrote...

i haven't looked at that video, people keep posting .. but does the video start with advertising? or something on his page like that ... you people do realize, that the people who create video or vid blogs w/e usually have an agreement with youtube right .. they actually make money from youtube lol (mind you only the ones who get crazy amounts of views on all their video's) so if this guy who posted that video is one of them that get paid, he's gonna be as dramatic as possible to get lots of views b/c that means $ for him lol

Yet I don't happen to be so cynnical as to think they are blatently flat out lying to their customers either.

Bioware has an outstanding reputation, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to toss aside anything they say as a lie just to get people to buy.

[heart again]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

heart again wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

heart again wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

heart again wrote...


So what you are saying is that you stuck your head in the sand and hoped it would change?

quite the contrary, i hoped it would stay the same.

In truth it wasn't like that to begin with as far as ME3 is concerned though.

then direct me to where in the poster the offers are worded differently or better yet direct me to the developer's own word that this was how it was going to be from the start, actual quotes, not assumptions.

You want to talk about assumptions???  You were the one who assumed that for some reason one specific thing listed on the CE features would be included in the SE.

it's far more of an educated guess due to the fact that they did it and not just once in the past and no proof was given to the contrary as per the wording on the advertisement poster.

Not really since everyone knew Zaeed came with Cerberus Network which everyone knew came with every copy of the game.  I have never once seen a bonus character advertised with the Alliance Network or the SE of ME3, have you?  I admittedly have nothing to say as far as Dragon Age is concerned, as I have virtually no knowledge of the series.  But then again, I'm not the one making assumptions.

[AkiKishi]

CEs are limited some countries don't even get a CE release so putting content on a CE that is not in every package is just not right.
People order CE's in good faith, but they get lost in the shuffle. How do you think those people feel ?

There are two long term solutions to this.

Only make CEs and charge more for them.
Give everyone the same day 1 content at no extra charge.

But actually calling people who can't buy CEs because EA are not shipping them to thier country a lesser fan , thats just not on Bioware.

[DJBare]

Siran wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Siran wrote...
Ilos was never the Prothean homeworld, it was a research world where they where conducting tests on the conduit.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ilos

Then show where it says there that it's the Prothean homeworld

It even says here that Ilos was home to a "research team", merely a facility - I don't think the Reapers would have overlooked anything on the Prothean homeworld itself.

Okay, you got me, but "Take Ilos Back" is better than "Take prothy back"; it's the only major world we know they colonized.

Btw, I've always thought "Take Back The Earth" would have been a better phrasing, but that's just my opinion.

[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware has an outstanding reputation, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to toss aside anything they say as a lie just to get people to buy.

See Priestly's line in my sig ? 

The day before DA2 was released they "discovered" the auto attack feature was left out.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 12:09 .

[Evilelf007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

CEs are limited some countries don't even get a CE release so putting content on a CE that is not in every package is just not right.
People order CE's in good faith, but they get lost in the shuffle. How do you think those people feel ?

There are two long term solutions to this.

Only make CEs and charge more for them.
Give everyone the same day 1 content at no extra charge.

But actually calling people who can't buy CEs because EA are not shipping them to thier country a lesser fan , thats just not on Bioware.

Bioware is doing the next best thing, giving the SE owners the option to buy the CE content if it's that important to them.

Those that ordered the CE paid for it, so should everyone else.

[Siran]

Okay, you got me, but "Take Ilos Back" is better than "Take prothy back"; it's the only major world we know they colonized.

Btw, I've always thought "Take Back The Earth" would have been a better phrasing, but that's just my opinion.

There we can agree, on both points. "Take Back (The) Earth" has somehow more weight in my ears. But we're getting far OT here 

[Clayless]

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake. Now, logically, I would assume that meant the Prothean was not the bonus squadmate for the CE, but regardless of my personal assumptions, the only time the Prothean was announced to be part of the CE was when they were forced to announce the "From Ashes" DLC ahead of schedule.

You might argue that it was leaked elsewhere that the bonus squadmate would indeed be a Prothean and I would argue that no person is in any manner obliged to seek information outside official statements in order to verify their validity. In fact, that would simply imply that the official statements are not to be trusted. It is indeed a pity he was not announced as part of the CE so we could've had this conversation months before release.

Wrong.

They said it was old text that wasn't meant to be there. You read that as "It's not a Prothean" when all they actually said was "You weren't meant to see that we've changed the text".

[Evilelf007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware has an outstanding reputation, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to toss aside anything they say as a lie just to get people to buy.

See Priestly's line in my sig ? 

The day before DA2 was released they "discovered" the auto attack feature was left out.

So you equate a humon error to the total collapse of a companies reputation?  This isn't like the Toyota cover up on sudden acceleration that affected their vehicles for YEARS... that was a human error during manufacturing... it happens.

Modifié par Evilelf007, 24 février 2012 - 12:14 .

[Exia001]

Evilelf007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

CEs are limited some countries don't even get a CE release so putting content on a CE that is not in every package is just not right.
People order CE's in good faith, but they get lost in the shuffle. How do you think those people feel ?

There are two long term solutions to this.

Only make CEs and charge more for them.
Give everyone the same day 1 content at no extra charge.

But actually calling people who can't buy CEs because EA are not shipping them to thier country a lesser fan , thats just not on Bioware.

Bioware is doing the next best thing, giving the SE owners the option to buy the CE content if it's that important to them.

Those that ordered the CE paid for it, so should everyone else.

This, also I would like the source where bw says people that dont buy ce are lesser fans, if this has been the case, that is not fair

[Rdubs]

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake.

Odan - do you have any more details on this slip-up?  A lot of the back-and-forth here some people saying the Prothean was developed after the fact as any other DLC would be because Bioware said it was, whereas I try to look at the history of how Bioware has handled similar SNAFU's in the past to determine credibility.  From what I've seen Bioware - as does just about every other company - is solely focused on downplaying any fiasco and denying any rumor or leak as long as they can think up some remotely plausible way of doing so.  Maybe if some of the people parroting C-Hud's et al's version of events knew that such denials in the past were not always completely honest, that might help move the discussion along.

[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware has an outstanding reputation, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to toss aside anything they say as a lie just to get people to buy.

See Priestly's line in my sig ? 

The day before DA2 was released they "discovered" the auto attack feature was left out.

So you equate a humor error to the total collapse of a companies reputation?  This isn't like the Toyota cover up on sudden acceleration that affected their vehicles for YEARS... that was a human error during manufacturing... it happens.

The issue is not that they left it out. The issue is they waited till the night before the game was released to tell us. And it was only done because youtube videos were clearly showing there was no auto attack option.

[Sleek]

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.