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[BiO]

What I want to know is why are there prothean voice lines in the demo.

[Evilelf007]

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

The big deal, those that purchased the CE already paid for said content, thus those with the SE should have to pay as well.

[OdanUrr]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake. Now, logically, I would assume that meant the Prothean was not the bonus squadmate for the CE, but regardless of my personal assumptions, the only time the Prothean was announced to be part of the CE was when they were forced to announce the "From Ashes" DLC ahead of schedule.

You might argue that it was leaked elsewhere that the bonus squadmate would indeed be a Prothean and I would argue that no person is in any manner obliged to seek information outside official statements in order to verify their validity. In fact, that would simply imply that the official statements are not to be trusted. It is indeed a pity he was not announced as part of the CE so we could've had this conversation months before release.

Wrong.

They said it was old text that wasn't meant to be there. You read that as "It's not a Prothean" when all they actually said was "You weren't meant to see that we've changed the text".

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

[MonkeySeeker]

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

[nightcobra]

Evilelf007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

CEs are limited some countries don't even get a CE release so putting content on a CE that is not in every package is just not right.
People order CE's in good faith, but they get lost in the shuffle. How do you think those people feel ?

There are two long term solutions to this.

Only make CEs and charge more for them.
Give everyone the same day 1 content at no extra charge.

But actually calling people who can't buy CEs because EA are not shipping them to thier country a lesser fan , thats just not on Bioware.

Bioware is doing the next best thing, giving the SE owners the option to buy the CE content if it's that important to them.

Those that ordered the CE paid for it, so should everyone else.

again those that ordered the CE paid for the collectibles, the DLC was free of charge as said by bioware.
even if it was your intention to get the CE for the DLC the 20$ were for the collectibles 


this was bioware's way to get you to buy the CE edition which you would never get if it solely was for the collectibles.

good business for them but you didn't really get the long end of the stick either from the start.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Candidate 88766]

BiO_MaN wrote...

What I want to know is why are there prothean voice lines in the demo.

Even if the character and level weren't finished by then, they may as well record his lines at the same time as everyone else's to save time and money. They did this with Kasumi too - record the lines with everyone else, even if they won't be needed for a while.

[Rdubs]

Evilelf007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Bioware has an outstanding reputation, and until proven otherwise, I see no reason to toss aside anything they say as a lie just to get people to buy.

See Priestly's line in my sig ? 

The day before DA2 was released they "discovered" the auto attack feature was left out.

So you equate a humon error to the total collapse of a companies reputation?  This isn't like the Toyota cover up on sudden acceleration that affected their vehicles for YEARS... that was a human error during manufacturing... it happens.

I just fell on the floor laughing.  You seem to actively avoid the instances where Bioware has said X but the truth has turned out to be Y - how about the leaked beta is really old and outdated except when we release official it's not - and the one example you give of a company with a bad reputation turns out to be completely backwards as well.

http://www.autoweek....RNEWS/110209895

http://articles.lati...a-nasa-20110209

[AkiKishi]

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

Two ways to look at it.

1. It's good PR the majority of people, except those who are reveling in being better than everyone else will love them for it.

2. If they back down they will lose any chance to do this in the future because everyone will know fan pressure works.

I'm going to contact other agencies and look into issues like packaging. Such as making them declare on the box that XXX is a £10 download so you can see that next to the £40 price tag.

It worked with food (needing to declare whats in the food , no reason it can't work for games. That way everyone can see just how they are being gouged and what the "hidden" prices are.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[OdanUrr]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

Knowing this would be an issue that would generate no small amount of controversy, I for one would have announced it early on to prepare people for it. That way, you at least eliminate the argument of, "but it wasn't announced with the CE! Had I known..."

[MonkeySeeker]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

again those that ordered the CE paid for the collectibles, the DLC was free of charge as said by bioware.
even if it was your intention to get the CE for the DLC the 20$ were for the collectibles 


this was bioware's way to get you to buy the CE edition which you would never get if it solely was for the collectibles.

good business for them but you didn't really get the long end of the stick either from the start.

The DLC has been listed as part of the CE edition from the start - just not explicity stated to be the Prothean. And the $20 extra is for all the extras not just what suits your argument.

OdanUrr wrote...

Knowing this would be an issue that would
generate no small amount of controversy, I for one would have announced
it early on to prepare people for it. That way, you at least eliminate
the argument of, "but it wasn't announced with the CE! Had I known..."

Can't argue with that.

Modifié par MonkeySeeker, 24 février 2012 - 12:25 .

[NoxJuked]

Rdubs wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

No I don't believe a prothean is going to play as big a role as Legion. Legion is very crucial to the game as you can reprogram the geth to possibly help you in ME3 he has an army behind him. The prothean is just 1 prothean

"Just 1 Prothean."  LOL.  How far we've fallen.

:/ I believe he's a nice edition to the game but 1 prothean that so happened to survive isn't offering as much as Legion is which is a whole army. In fact niether of us know for sure what the prothean is worth because he isn't out yet. The game isn't even out yet so I can't even say it's worth 60$. You have been throwing out that the prothean has been cut from the game like you work at EA/Bioware and know exactly what happened, it sounds more like a theory to me and you are either with Bioware/EA or against them because you now don't trust their word.

I could make the same argument about people who try to claim the Prothean was never included at all, that unless they are an employee they are just guessing.  The only difference is I've become aware (unintentionally, sadly) of some things from the accidentally released script which lends more credibility to the "cut content" camp than the "new idea came up with later" camp.

Also, it's not a real strong argument to say people cared about Legion because he could bring lots of Geth to the table.  People liked Legion because 1) He was a cool dude to talk to and had great interaction, especially if you brought him to Tali's trial, and 2) he was a frikking GETH.  HANGING OUT WITH YOU.  It doesn't have anything to do with the tangible value the character can bring in terms of combat power as far as what people think of when they are considering their "experience", it has everything to do with character interaction.

Having not seen this leaked script I obviously can't agree with you or even determine how much credability the leaked content even holds. So back to we'll see when the game comes out.

I know people liked him but I think his main reason for being in the core game is because his loyalty mission is crucial to actually fighting off the reapers perhaps just liek the Rachni queen because of the kill off this army that could potentially help choice. Where as the prothean is just going to be like a Zaeed character I feel. I know you are going to want to say "OMG BUT HE'S PROTHEAN THE GAME HISTORY  LAST ONE etc" but in any case if he isn't a Zaeed character and offers a lot more then I will believe you but again this won't happen untilt the game comes out so nobody should really be throwing preorders in the fire just yet. I plan to do multiple playthroughs with and without the prothean.

[OdanUrr]

Rdubs wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake.

Odan - do you have any more details on this slip-up?  A lot of the back-and-forth here some people saying the Prothean was developed after the fact as any other DLC would be because Bioware said it was, whereas I try to look at the history of how Bioware has handled similar SNAFU's in the past to determine credibility.  From what I've seen Bioware - as does just about every other company - is solely focused on downplaying any fiasco and denying any rumor or leak as long as they can think up some remotely plausible way of doing so.  Maybe if some of the people parroting C-Hud's et al's version of events knew that such denials in the past were not always completely honest, that might help move the discussion along.

Well, since it was "rectified" I'm not sure how I can dredge it up. I'll try searching for old threads and see what I come up with.

[bodhili]

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

The big deal is that the DLC is included in the CE for people who paid for it. They are offering it to people getting the SE so that they have an opportunity to play it. To give it away for free would fly in the face of everyone who paid extra to get it in the CE.
What I think is amusing about this is that if it was only included in the CE and not at all offered for download for SE owners, that is what everyone would be ****ing about. At least if you want it, you can get it regardless of which edition you purchase.

[Sleek]

Who cares about whats in the collectors edition , i pre oredered it myself. Everyone should have all content for the game including weapons.

[heart again]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

Two ways to look at it.

1. It's good PR the majority of people, except those who are reveling in being better than everyone else will love them for it.

2. If they back down they will lose any chance to do this in the future because everyone will know fan pressure works.

I'm going to contact other agencies and look into issues like packaging. Such as making them declare on the box that XXX is a £10 download so you can see that next to the £40 price tag.

It worked with food (needing to declare whats in the food , no reason it can't work for games. That way everyone can see just how they are being gauged and what the "hidden" prices are.

And then what?  The packaging gets a "title update"  every time a new DLC is released?

[nightcobra]

MonkeySeeker wrote...



The DLC has been listed as part of the CE edition from the start. And the $20 extra is for all the extras not just what suits your argument.

just like shale or zaeed have been listed in the CE edition in the same kind of wording might i add, go see the posters again for good measure.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[heart again]

Sleek wrote...

Who cares about whats in the collectors edition , i pre oredered it myself. Everyone should have all content for the game including weapons.

Then why wasn't anyone saying that when the CE was announced.

[heart again]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...



The DLC has been listed as part of the CE edition from the start. And the $20 extra is for all the extras not just what suits your argument.

just like shale or zaeed have been listed in the CE edition.

Zaeed was always advertised to come with every new copy.  This wasn't, it's not rocket science.

[Rdubs]

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

LOL, that doesn't really defend their credibility when they are trying to deny something.  But you do paint an accurate typical fact pattern:

1) Screw up happens (piece of information gets released)
2) Company's initial response: That's not accurate
3) Company's later response: Don't listen to that
4) Later, when content is going to be released: Okay yeah so you were right but that's old news now

It reminds me of the whole John Edwards love child scandal - deny, deny, deny, then the day before someone publishes a tell-all outing him as the father he comes out and says, yeah the rumor were right I'm the dad.  As someone in the business told me, John Edwards managed to do what no other thing on the planet could have ever done - turn the National Enquirer into a credible news source.

Modifié par Rdubs, 24 février 2012 - 12:30 .

[Sleek]

Look all im saying is this 10 dlc cant be worth this debacle and possible loosing customers alot of them for EA. Thats why EA should release it ferr and give CE owners the next dlc free asweel.

[Clayless]

OdanUrr wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Okay, for the upteenth time, when the CE was announced there was no official statement as to the nature of the bonus squadmate. Yes, there was a line that said the squadmate would be a Prothean but this was quickly rectified and dismissed as a mistake. Now, logically, I would assume that meant the Prothean was not the bonus squadmate for the CE, but regardless of my personal assumptions, the only time the Prothean was announced to be part of the CE was when they were forced to announce the "From Ashes" DLC ahead of schedule.

You might argue that it was leaked elsewhere that the bonus squadmate would indeed be a Prothean and I would argue that no person is in any manner obliged to seek information outside official statements in order to verify their validity. In fact, that would simply imply that the official statements are not to be trusted. It is indeed a pity he was not announced as part of the CE so we could've had this conversation months before release.

Wrong.

They said it was old text that wasn't meant to be there. You read that as "It's not a Prothean" when all they actually said was "You weren't meant to see that we've changed the text".

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because it's a Prothean and is a massive spoiler. Technically they officially revealed him a few days ago when the artbook came out, but they still never said anything about him to the general public on the internet.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 24 février 2012 - 12:29 .

[AkiKishi]

heart again wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

Two ways to look at it.

1. It's good PR the majority of people, except those who are reveling in being better than everyone else will love them for it.

2. If they back down they will lose any chance to do this in the future because everyone will know fan pressure works.

I'm going to contact other agencies and look into issues like packaging. Such as making them declare on the box that XXX is a £10 download so you can see that next to the £40 price tag.

It worked with food (needing to declare whats in the food , no reason it can't work for games. That way everyone can see just how they are being gauged and what the "hidden" prices are.

And then what?  The packaging gets a "title update"  every time a new DLC is released?

No , after day 1 it no longer matters. The point is that everyone gets the same game on release. Whether or not you choose to buy DLC in the coming months is down to you.

You need to declare what exists as DLC at the time the game is released for example. (made up)

Price £40
Extra character available £10
Gun pack available £5
Costumes available £2

Then you can clearly see that in order to have the complete game you actually need to fork over £57.

[OdanUrr]

Rdubs wrote...

Odan - do you have any more details on this slip-up?  A lot of the back-and-forth here some people saying the Prothean was developed after the fact as any other DLC would be because Bioware said it was, whereas I try to look at the history of how Bioware has handled similar SNAFU's in the past to determine credibility.  From what I've seen Bioware - as does just about every other company - is solely focused on downplaying any fiasco and denying any rumor or leak as long as they can think up some remotely plausible way of doing so.  Maybe if some of the people parroting C-Hud's et al's version of events knew that such denials in the past were not always completely honest, that might help move the discussion along.

Here you go:

Bioware's "Accidental" Reveals

Prothean squadmate

Prothean squadmate or character? Yay!

[Clayless]

Rdubs wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

LOL, that doesn't really defend their credibility when they are trying to deny something.  But you do paint an accurate typical fact pattern:

1) Screw up happens (piece of information gets released)
2) Company's initial response: That's not accurate
3) Company's later response: Don't listen to that
4) Later, when content is going to be released: Okay yeah so you were right but that's old new now

It reminds me of the whole John Edwards love child scandal - deny, deny, deny, then the day before someone publishes a tell-all outing him as the father he comes out and says, yeah the rumor were right I'm the dad.  As someone in the business told me, John Edwards managed to do what no other thing on the planet could have ever done - turn the National Enquirer into a credible news source.

But they NEVER denied his existence.

Not confirming or denying him isn't the same as denying him.