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[MonkeySeeker]

Sleek wrote...

Look all im saying is this 10 dlc cant be worth this debacle and possible loosing customers alot of them for EA. Thats why EA should release it ferr and give CE owners the next dlc free asweel.

People would still moan about that, saying the same things that are being said now.

[heart again]

BobSmith101 wrote...

heart again wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sleek wrote...

What would be the big deal for Bioware to give the first DLC free ? How petty for a huge company like EA, you know there is going to be 10 other DLC if not more . So give it to everyone that purchase the game new on day 1.

Two ways to look at it.

1. It's good PR the majority of people, except those who are reveling in being better than everyone else will love them for it.

2. If they back down they will lose any chance to do this in the future because everyone will know fan pressure works.

I'm going to contact other agencies and look into issues like packaging. Such as making them declare on the box that XXX is a £10 download so you can see that next to the £40 price tag.

It worked with food (needing to declare whats in the food , no reason it can't work for games. That way everyone can see just how they are being gauged and what the "hidden" prices are.

And then what?  The packaging gets a "title update"  every time a new DLC is released?

No , after day 1 it no longer matters. The point is that everyone gets the same game on release. Whether or not you choose to buy DLC in the coming months is down to you.

You need to declare what exists as DLC at the time the game is released for example. (made up)

Price £40
Extra character available £10
Gun pack available £5
Costumes available £2

Then you can clearly see that in order to have the complete game you actually need to fork over £57.

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

[kingsims]

Some CE users like DJbane and Sleek totally get the point and i am glad some CE users stick up for the standard edition and believe it should be included for every new copy of ME3 (They get that CE editions should be cosmetic, extra guns, skins, outfits, keychain, soundtrack, Usb Stick, making of DVD and behind the scenes, artbooks, comic books, mini books, awesome packaging etc)

Modifié par kingsims, 24 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[ohnoyoudidnt]

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

it has been proven that this prothean was there in the leaked documents

it means he was created before the golden stage

how far can you go to defend your favourite developer?

[Exia001]

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

[Rdubs]

OdanUrr wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

Knowing this would be an issue that would generate no small amount of controversy, I for one would have announced it early on to prepare people for it. That way, you at least eliminate the argument of, "but it wasn't announced with the CE! Had I known..."

Having a job of fixing broken companies for a living, my money's on they had no idea this idea would be any issue or create any controversy.  They probably thought of it as an inexpensive boost to the game's top line, a way to get extra mileage out of it.  There were suredly some people at the company who thought, this is REALLY going to ****** some of the customers off but often nay-sayers like that are encouraged not to speak up.  Either that or they can't quantify the dollar impact of people getting pissed, whereas the guy who runs the spreadsheet and can calculate to the penny how much a $10 revenue boost per unit will help the bottom line, that clearly is the answer.


I think it was Napoleon who said, "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

[Blarty]

Koju737 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Just a reminder
Javik is in the full game, the DLC adds a mission and the option to have him join the squad.

Gonna try to keep this going as people dont seem to get a chance to see it.... Hopefuly it will settle things down a bit

I wonder if TotalBiscuit will make another video then?

[Xellana]

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

totally fine by me

[nightcobra]

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

being more interested in story based content yes, i'd choose prothy over mp anyday.

[nitefyre410]

Rdubs wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

LOL, that doesn't really defend their credibility when they are trying to deny something.  But you do paint an accurate typical fact pattern:

1) Screw up happens (piece of information gets released)
2) Company's initial response: That's not accurate
3) Company's later response: Don't listen to that
4) Later, when content is going to be released: Okay yeah so you were right but that's old news now

It reminds me of the whole John Edwards love child scandal - deny, deny, deny, then the day before someone publishes a tell-all outing him as the father he comes out and says, yeah the rumor were right I'm the dad.  As someone in the business told me, John Edwards managed to do what no other thing on the planet could have ever done - turn the National Enquirer into a credible news source.

   

^ LOL   I like  this human he understands.

[DJBare]

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

[Rdubs]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

LOL, that doesn't really defend their credibility when they are trying to deny something.  But you do paint an accurate typical fact pattern:

1) Screw up happens (piece of information gets released)
2) Company's initial response: That's not accurate
3) Company's later response: Don't listen to that
4) Later, when content is going to be released: Okay yeah so you were right but that's old new now

It reminds me of the whole John Edwards love child scandal - deny, deny, deny, then the day before someone publishes a tell-all outing him as the father he comes out and says, yeah the rumor were right I'm the dad.  As someone in the business told me, John Edwards managed to do what no other thing on the planet could have ever done - turn the National Enquirer into a credible news source.

But they NEVER denied his existence.

Not confirming or denying him isn't the same as denying him.

Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.

Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial."  Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash."  Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.

[Exia001]

Xellana wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

totally fine by me

But you wouldn't be getting the complete game, or a way to increase GR which I think is more important than a character

[kingsims]

That makes it even worse. This further proves he was cut for example when you try to talk to him without the DLC he might will say "Sorry Shepard i must study this further before I can go (Sorry you don't have DLC)". And if you have the DLC "Okay lets go Shepard to your Normandy". How does that not sound like it was cut?

Oh yeap sounds fair to me.

Please explain

[OdanUrr]

@Rdubs: Regarding the earlier Bioware slip on the Prothean, there's also this. There's probably more somewhere in those 117 pages.

[nitefyre410]

Blarty wrote...

Koju737 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Just a reminder
Javik is in the full game, the DLC adds a mission and the option to have him join the squad.

Gonna try to keep this going as people dont seem to get a chance to see it.... Hopefuly it will settle things down a bit

I wonder if TotalBiscuit will make another video then?

 

of course that would make  things  completely worst because now it really leads to question how much of "DLC "  is already there and how  much of this "content" was develope seperatly  along the same time table.

actually.. I really hope that does not turn out be true.

[nightcobra]

Exia001 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

totally fine by me

But you wouldn't be getting the complete game, or a way to increase GR which I think is more important than a character

GR on MP is a temporary bonus, it gives you a boost and then that boost reduces by 1% each day you don't play MP.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

paying a "pass" ticket if you buy a used copy? sure why not

[AkiKishi]

[quote]heart again wrote...
No , after day 1 it no longer matters. The point is that everyone gets the same game on release. Whether or not you choose to buy DLC in the coming months is down to you.

You need to declare what exists as DLC at the time the game is released for example. (made up)

Price £40
Extra character available £10
Gun pack available £5
Costumes available £2

Then you can clearly see that in order to have the complete game you actually need to fork over £57.
[/quote]

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

[/quote]

That's not really the underlying issue here. Obviously by making it a Prothean Bioware have made it an emotive issue. But that aside it's simply I want to know what I'm getting when I buy a product, any product.

Everything around when the game is released is the "complete package"

If there is extra stuff I want to know what it is when I buy the game in the store. I can then make an informed choice whether I want to pay for a game that lacks £17 worth of content or not. That is my right as a consumer.

It's not for them to decide what is required and what is "optional".

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 12:49 .

[Rdubs]

Odan's response is so good it's worth another shake.

OdanUrr wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Odan - do you have any more details on this slip-up? A lot of the back-and-forth here some people saying the Prothean was developed after the fact as any other DLC would be because Bioware said it was, whereas I try to look at the history of how Bioware has handled similar SNAFU's in the past to determine credibility. From what I've seen Bioware - as does just about every other company - is solely focused on downplaying any fiasco and denying any rumor or leak as long as they can think up some remotely plausible way of doing so. Maybe if some of the people parroting C-Hud's et al's version of events knew that such denials in the past were not always completely honest, that might help move the discussion along.

Here you go:

Bioware's "Accidental" Reveals

Prothean squadmate

Prothean squadmate or character? Yay!

[AkiKishi]

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

paying a "pass" ticket if you buy a used copy? sure why not

Fine by me ME as a series has been a SP game. MP is in no way part of the ME experience it is an extra game mode.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 12:56 .

[kingsims]

I would be fine I ll happily trade you my ANN online pass for the DLC. I play for the story not multiplayer.

[ohnoyoudidnt]

DJBare wrote...

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

what does food and meds have to do with the matter at hands? are you against the concept of boycotting something because it goes against your beliefs?

[DJBare]

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

what does food and meds have to do with the matter at hands? are you against the concept of boycotting something because it goes against your beliefs?

No, I'm against cutting off my own nose to spite my face, I get why people are angry, but why deny yourself the last chapter in an epic trilogy, why not make it the last game you purchase until this particular business practice is changed?