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[survivor_686]

In response to OP:

While I find the "From Ashes" DLC a little disappointing, being that it could have simple been packaged with the game and all, I also have some other issues with it. The presence of an existing prothean basically would render all the struggles that my Shepard has gone through worthless (from an in-universe point). Basically why did I have to chase down Saren, when I could have simply dug up "Prothy" and simply presented him to the council?

While I have already pre-ordered the game, and I do intend to keep it, I think I can afford to wait for a DLC sale or discount. After all why spend $10 on a DLC, when Deus EX is on sale for the same price.

[OmegaXI]

Wow people are still going on about this? Seriously if you really don't like the way bioware does business then don't buy the game simple as that. Trust me you people are a small faction of the number of people who will buy this game. While your ranting and raving about how you are entitled to get something for free (which you are not), most of the Mass Effect fans will be playing and loving MassEffect 3.

The real funny thing is that these people are trying to claim that its all about ethics and morals when its not, it comes right down to them being cheapskates and not wanting to pay for something extra that other have and will pay for.

[kingsims]

Google and you ll find out why people don't trust bioware or EA (I didn't know about the review scandal or the rush job until someone informed me which made me sad)

http://uk.kotaku.com...ame-out-so-soon
http://kotaku.com/57...for-himself-too

I am still buying mass effect 3 but not the day 1 DLC (i ll watch a youtube video)

Modifié par kingsims, 24 février 2012 - 12:56 .

[Clayless]

Rdubs wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

MonkeySeeker wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

If that were true, why not announce it then and there?

Because they announce things when they are ready to announce things. Not when they or more often Microsoft screw up and leak something.

LOL, that doesn't really defend their credibility when they are trying to deny something.  But you do paint an accurate typical fact pattern:

1) Screw up happens (piece of information gets released)
2) Company's initial response: That's not accurate
3) Company's later response: Don't listen to that
4) Later, when content is going to be released: Okay yeah so you were right but that's old new now

It reminds me of the whole John Edwards love child scandal - deny, deny, deny, then the day before someone publishes a tell-all outing him as the father he comes out and says, yeah the rumor were right I'm the dad.  As someone in the business told me, John Edwards managed to do what no other thing on the planet could have ever done - turn the National Enquirer into a credible news source.

But they NEVER denied his existence.

Not confirming or denying him isn't the same as denying him.

Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.

Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial."  Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash."  Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.

You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.

They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.

[Rdubs]

heart again wrote...

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.

Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun."  Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing."  Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.

No need to take things to ad absurdum.

[nitefyre410]

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

what does food and meds have to do with the matter at hands? are you against the concept of boycotting something because it goes against your beliefs?

 

what he is saying that is boycotting is a tactic used in more extreme circumstances than this... Yes  the outrage is legit but they are other  avenues that can pursued  before  dropping the boycott bomb.   Just the leak and the outrage alone has cause enough  to  Game Informer, PCgamer and other news outlets  asking publically what  the deal is with all of this.   

its like trying to use a broadsword to do brain surgery.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 12:57 .

[DJBare]

Ilgar92 wrote...

I've found a compromise for myself, I will not cancel my CE preorder, I was waiting for ME3 like crazy for two years,Mass Effect is my favorite universe of all time, but this is the last time I'm buyng a Bioware's game (atleast until they change their treatment to customers). This is too much.

This is the right approach, I'm sorry people want to deny themselves the last in the trilogy, I think they are just spiting themselves, make it the last game you purchase, don't deny yourselves, this is not something to sacrifice over.

[Rdubs]

OmegaXI wrote...

The real funny thing is that these people are trying to claim that its all about ethics and morals when its not, it comes right down to them being cheapskates and not wanting to pay for something extra that other have and will pay for.

If that's true then how do you explain that much, if not most, of the commentary against this is coming from people who have already purchased the CE and therefore won't be personally affected by it?  You clearly haven't been involved with the discussion much.

[Selor Kiith]

DJBare wrote...
No, I'm against cutting off my own nose to spite my face, I get why people are angry, but why deny yourself the last chapter in an epic trilogy, why not make it the last game you purchase until this particular business practice is changed?

That's actually sad... "I know it's bad but I have absolutely no Willpower to resist it"...

And what about the next game, what if it's "The Best game of that Year" are you willing to compromise yourself again because you don't want to "miss out on that great opportunity and epic piece of art"?

[Xellana]

Exia001 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?

totally fine by me

But you wouldn't be getting the complete game, or a way to increase GR which I think is more important than a character

What does GR mean?

[Exia001]

Selor Kiith wrote...

DJBare wrote...
No, I'm against cutting off my own nose to spite my face, I get why people are angry, but why deny yourself the last chapter in an epic trilogy, why not make it the last game you purchase until this particular business practice is changed?

That's actually sad... "I know it's bad but I have absolutely no Willpower to resist it"...

And what about the next game, what if it's "The Best game of that Year" are you willing to compromise yourself again because you don't want to "miss out on that great opportunity and epic piece of art"?

Whether we are are not, does it matter, its noones business how others spend their money

[heart again]

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.

Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun."  Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing."  Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.

No need to take things to ad absurdum.

Except there is a good chance that dialogue will still occur and that the dlc simply adds him as a squadmate with a mission.  And once again, it was common knowledge that the CE would include a squaddie and mission from the beginning.  

[Rdubs]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.

Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial."  Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash."  Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.

You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.

They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.

I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post.  This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google.  Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.

http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1

[MonkeySeeker]

Xellana wrote...

What does GR mean?

Galactic Readiness

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3:_Galaxy_at_War#Galactic_Readiness

Modifié par MonkeySeeker, 24 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[OdanUrr]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.

They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.

I don't recall Bioware ever stating a Prothean would appear in ME3 besides that slip early on. Please, if you would be so kind as to direct me to this announcement I'll consider the matter settled.

[H1natachan]

Amikae wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...
I'm saying, fans here are looking at it in a way that is so hypocritical, it's sickening....

What's sickening is that you don't seem to get it. Game companies are starting to milk us and you don't care. In the past good game companies made good games and sold a complete game. These days you see them cut content on purpose to sell it. If you can't see the problem here, you're in trouble.

www.youtube.com/watch

Well said, totally agree with you.
As the saying goes : A fool and his money are soon parted.
I really do wonder how many CE owners will end up feeling buyers remorse
Also expect to be squeezed dry by inc map pack dlc's.
On another note does anyone have any idea how much M.E.2 cost after all the dlc's were bought ?

[OdanUrr]

Rdubs wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.

Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial."  Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash."  Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.

You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.

They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.

I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post.  This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google.  Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.

http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1

That is a much better thread than any I could find. Kudos.

PS: This is the thread with Evil Chris' comment on the matter.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 24 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[Rdubs]

And here's a thread that Chris himself locked down, guess he got tired of people quoting denials of his in the past that turned out to be true.

http://social.biowar...index/7600487/1

[PAS Alexandre]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I believe you. And I prefer the chance to have this in day 1, than have to wait 1 or 2 months to get it.
Thanks.

[DJBare]

Selor Kiith wrote...

That's actually sad... "I know it's bad but I have absolutely no Willpower to resist it"...

And what about the next game, what if it's "The Best game of that Year" are you willing to compromise yourself again because you don't want to "miss out on that great opportunity and epic piece of art"?

I don't need to have will power, I find compromise to be more rewarding, I stand by my statement that if this business practice does not change I will not be purchasing another game from EA/Bioware, but I am not going to deny myself the last in the trilogy, sorry if that offends your sensibilities, but I'm not spoiling my own fun because a lot of other people are unhappy with the current situation.

[MrGoldenNinja]

I think 800ms points is a bit much, unless this Eden Prime adventure is anywhere close to the greatness of LotSB... Although I guess the mission, new squad appearences, a character and weapon may just about be worth it. Just hope it lives up story wise, like someone said, it would be gay if you just dig him up if the Prothean was there from the beginning. Oh, and about it being 'non - esssential' - Its a ****ing Prothean on Eden Prime, of course its essential! Unless of course, you're a scumbag newcomer to ME who hasn't played any of the other games...

[ZX12r Ninja]

[quote]BobSmith101 wrote...

[quote]heart again wrote...
No , after day 1 it no longer matters. The point is that everyone gets the same game on release. Whether or not you choose to buy DLC in the coming months is down to you.

You need to declare what exists as DLC at the time the game is released for example. (made up)

Price £40
Extra character available £10
Gun pack available £5
Costumes available £2

Then you can clearly see that in order to have the complete game you actually need to fork over £57.
[/quote]

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

[/quote]

That's not really the underlying issue here. Obviously by making it a Prothean Bioware have made it an emotive issue. But that aside it's simply I want to know what I'm getting when I buy a product, any product.

Everything around when the game is released is the "complete package"

If there is extra stuff I want to know what it is when I buy the game in the store. I can then make an informed choice whether I want to pay for a game that lacks £17 worth of content or not. That is my right as a consumer.

It's not for them to decide what is required and what is "optional".


[/quote]

Sorry to say so but this is horsecrap. First of you are talking about buying in the store, by that time playthroughs, walkthroughs and reviews will apear and you will know exactly what you are buying. Second it is for them to decide what is optional nomatter wheter it's around launch or maybe later on.

[Reever]

If so many people would´ve given a damn about Origin...society would be something else now

[Clayless]

Rdubs wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.

Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial."  Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash."  Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.

You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.

They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.

I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post.  This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google.  Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.

http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1

My god.

http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1

Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.

[Denoel Muerta]

I was away for some days, so sorry if this was allready asked, by i don't wont to click througt 275 pages to find 1 question.

This

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

Is everthing that is named to be in "From Ashes", will be to in the ME3 CE edition?