Exia001 wrote...
Xellana wrote...
Exia001 wrote...
Not trying to be confrontational but...If they gave you Prothy but you had to pay for MP, would that be fine?
totally fine by me
But you wouldn't be getting the complete game, or a way to increase GR which I think is more important than a character
heart again wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
heart again wrote...
I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game. I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.
Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.
Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun." Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing." Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.
No need to take things to ad absurdum.
Except there is a good chance that dialogue will still occur and that the dlc simply adds him as a squadmate with a mission. And once again, it was common knowledge that the CE would include a squaddie and mission from the beginning.
Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 01:11 .
Denoel Muerta wrote...
I was away for some days, so sorry if this was allready asked, by i don't wont to click througt 275 pages to find 1 question.
This
- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.
Is everthing that is named to be in "From Ashes", will be to in the ME3 CE edition?
Rdubs wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.
Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial." Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash." Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.
You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.
They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.
I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post. This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google. Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.
http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1
how is boycotting solely for "more extreme circumstances"?nitefyre410 wrote...
ohnoyoudidnt wrote...
DJBare wrote...
You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.ohnoyoudidnt wrote...
the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious
what does food and meds have to do with the matter at hands? are you against the concept of boycotting something because it goes against your beliefs?
what he is saying that is boycotting is a tactic used in more extreme circumstances than this... Yes the outrage is legit but they are other avenues that can pursued before dropping the boycott bomb. Just the leak and the outrage alone has cause enough to Game Informer, PCgamer and other news outlets asking publically what the deal is with all of this.
its like trying to use a broadsword to do brain surgery.
Modifié par ohnoyoudidnt, 24 février 2012 - 01:13 .
OmegaXI wrote...
Wow people are still going on about this? Seriously if you really don't like the way bioware does business then don't buy the game simple as that.
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.
Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial." Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash." Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.
You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.
They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.
I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post. This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google. Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.
http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1
My god.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.
OdanUrr wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
Sorry, I guess I was counting something being leaked, which they then confirmed, and then recanted the confirmation, which turned out to be accurate in the first place, as an attempt to deny and downplay the leak.
Your answer is kind of squishy, like a "non-denial denial." Again my favorite man comes to mind - when John Edwards was asked about him being the dad, he dismissed it saying "That's just tabloid trash." Notice how that's not a outright rebuking of the statement, but rather a way to sound like a denial without actually technically saying no.
You can't interpret something the way you want and then try and say they were lying.
They NEVER denied his existence. They never uttered one syllable about the prothean until recently despite the fact he has been well known for months.
I am BEGGING you to do basic research before you post. This took me about 0.8 seconds to find on Google. Please read at least the third and fourth posts down.
http://social.biowar...index/7561336/1
My god.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.
That quote is very vague and certainly not conclusive either way.
Rdubs wrote...
heart again wrote...
Rdubs wrote...
heart again wrote...
I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game. I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.
Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.
Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun." Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing." Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.
No need to take things to ad absurdum.
Except there is a good chance that dialogue will still occur and that the dlc simply adds him as a squadmate with a mission. And once again, it was common knowledge that the CE would include a squaddie and mission from the beginning.
I agree with you in principle - if the Prothean squaddie basically has nothing to say, and doesn't go into his story, and just shoots people saying "target down", then yeah what's the big deal. But if it's a character who by joining you can talk to and get story out of - and I don't see how that WON'T be possible seeing as how he comes with his own mission - then it's important lore content and at that point it crosses the line into something which should be included with the main game.
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
You could say that but litterally a short while later they released the updated information which, lo behold, mentioned a DLC squaddie and mission but didn't say it was a prothean.
In other words it was old text that was being removed, and got removed when Bioware officially revealed the CE.
Modifié par OdanUrr, 24 février 2012 - 01:17 .
DJBare wrote...
This is the right approach, I'm sorry people want to deny themselves the last in the trilogy, I think they are just spiting themselves, make it the last game you purchase, don't deny yourselves, this is not something to sacrifice over.Ilgar92 wrote...
I've found a compromise for myself, I will not cancel my CE preorder, I was waiting for ME3 like crazy for two years,Mass Effect is my favorite universe of all time, but this is the last time I'm buyng a Bioware's game (atleast until they change their treatment to customers). This is too much.
Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 24 février 2012 - 01:21 .
OdanUrr wrote...
That's one way to look at it.
ohnoyoudidnt wrote...
*snip*
how is boycotting solely for "more extreme circumstances"?
the game industry is bigger than ever
for example, i can pass on mass effect 3 easily, there are tons of other games to play out there
people here are just voicing their opinions, which is they will avoid the game (for now)
i have bigger problems with origin myself
if i buy a hard copy of a game, i should not be forced to play it through that origin service
Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 01:23 .
Guest_Lorfean_*
We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).DJBare wrote...
You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.ohnoyoudidnt wrote...
the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
My god.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.
Biotic Sage...
"A mistake from old text"....?
I'm usually skeptical about these sort of things, but let's consider the facts:
1. This was put up on an official website for preordering the collector's edition http://store.origin....uctID=231087700
2. Chris P. hastily covered Bioware's ass
3. For everyone saying that Prothean's are "not possible" or that it wouldn't make sense to include them, consider the facts from ME1: we know that at least some Protheans made it to the Citadel, we don't know what happened to them after that, and with enough energy, cryogenic freezing could keep them alive for thousands of years. Would it not make sense for the last of the Protheans to cryo-freeze themselves in a secure/remote location as a last ditch, failsafe?
Just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the ultimate leak, and almost a year early!
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
OdanUrr wrote...
That's one way to look at it.
Well it's the way to look at it. I read that the way he said it, that it's old text that's being removed, and when they revealed the new text:
It fell in line perfectly with what Chris Priestly said. It's old text that got removed.
If you read that as them denying the prothean's existence then you need to learn how the English language works.
Lorfean wrote...
We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).DJBare wrote...
You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.ohnoyoudidnt wrote...
the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious
And that's why I won't be buying the game. I absolutely hate the idea of missing out on the final chapter of the trilogy, but it's completely unacceptable to me that they charge me $ 10,- on top of the $ 60,- I'm already paying for the game in order get the "full experience". And their argument that longtime fans are more likely to buy the CE anyway is bull**** -- I've been buying their games since 1998, when Baldur's Gate came out, I am a longtime fan and loyal costumer and I've simply never been interested in the CE's because all they offered was "fluff" (art books, sound tracks, miniatures, etc.). Some people love that fluff, love collecting it and putting it on display, and that's great -- more power to them -- but that's not me. And that fact doesn't make me any less of a longtime fan.
And I don't care if the scope of the DLC is more along the lines of Zaeed (minimal) instead of Shale (expansive and awesome) -- it's a freaking Prothean squad member and a mission to Eden Prime! It's obviously lore-centric content with great nostalgic potential that ANY Mass Effect fan would be interested in.
OdanUrr wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
OdanUrr wrote...
That's one way to look at it.
Well it's the way to look at it. I read that the way he said it, that it's old text that's being removed, and when they revealed the new text:
It fell in line perfectly with what Chris Priestly said. It's old text that got removed.
If you read that as them denying the prothean's existence then you need to learn how the English language works.
That image you just posted mentions no Prothean mission or character, it merely says, "additional downloadable mission and character." If that somehow tells you what the content is about, then I congratulate you on a quintessential, indeed visionary, understanding of the English language that escapes the comprehension of us mere mortals.
Rdubs wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
My god.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.
That is hilarious, I was just about to paste that link for you so you could see his exact quote.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read what he says: "Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy."
Which then everyone goes on to interpret as him referencing removing the Prothean itself, not the REFERENCE to the Prothean which for some reason is what you seem to be fixed on.
Again this is what I am talking about, that the text would be removed is obvious, the question is about the actual character. And that turned out to be true, meaning the "leak" turned out to be credible. Looks like Biotic Sage called it after all (quote of his from 9 months ago).
Rdubs wrote...
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
My god.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read the actual quote for yourself. It took you about 0.8 seconds on Google to not find it it seems.
That is hilarious, I was just about to paste that link for you so you could see his exact quote.
http://social.biowar...index/7551111/1
Read what he says: "Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy."
Which then everyone goes on to interpret as him referencing removing the Prothean itself, not the REFERENCE to the Prothean which for some reason is what you seem to be fixed on.
Again this is what I am talking about, that the text would be removed is obvious, the question is about the actual character. And that turned out to be true, meaning the "leak" turned out to be credible. Looks like Biotic Sage called it after all (quote of his from 9 months ago):Biotic Sage...
"A mistake from old text"....?
I'm usually skeptical about these sort of things, but let's consider the facts:
1. This was put up on an official website for preordering the collector's edition http://store.origin....uctID=231087700
2. Chris P. hastily covered Bioware's ass
3. For everyone saying that Prothean's are "not possible" or that it wouldn't make sense to include them, consider the facts from ME1: we know that at least some Protheans made it to the Citadel, we don't know what happened to them after that, and with enough energy, cryogenic freezing could keep them alive for thousands of years. Would it not make sense for the last of the Protheans to cryo-freeze themselves in a secure/remote location as a last ditch, failsafe?
Just saying, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the ultimate leak, and almost a year early!
Son, I am disappoint.
eoinnx02 wrote...
Is the trailer today?
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