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[DJBare]

Lorfean wrote...
We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).

And that's why I won't be buying the game. I absolutely hate the idea of missing out on the final chapter of the trilogy, but it's completely unacceptable to me that they charge me $ 10,- on top of the $ 60,- I'm already paying for the game in order get the "full experience".

Your perogative, but I do suggest you attempt a little research into the full game while considering "Full experience"

[obie191970]

Lorfean wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).

And that's why I won't be buying the game. I absolutely hate the idea of missing out on the final chapter of the trilogy, but it's completely unacceptable to me that they charge me $ 10,- on top of the $ 60,- I'm already paying for the game in order get the "full experience". And their argument that longtime fans are more likely to buy the CE anyway is bull**** -- I've been buying their games since 1998, when Baldur's Gate came out, I am a longtime fan and loyal costumer and I've simply never been interested in the CE's because all they offered was "fluff" (art books, sound tracks, miniatures, etc.). Some people love that fluff, love collecting it and putting it on display, and that's great -- more power to them -- but that's not me. And that fact doesn't make me any less of a longtime fan.

And I don't care if the scope of the DLC is more along the lines of Zaeed (minimal) instead of Shale (expansive and awesome) -- it's a freaking Prothean squad member and a mission to Eden Prime! It's obviously lore-centric content with great nostalgic potential that ANY Mass Effect fan would be interested in.

You got the Stone Prisoner, but they did the same thing with Warden's Keep which was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else as day 1 DLC.  Not only had the precedent been sent by Bioware, they told everyone that the bonus character and mission would be available as Day 1 DLC to those who didn't purchase the CE.

I think it's hilarious that people who have spent hundreds of hours playing through 1 and 2 are going to miss out on the final chapter over the price of two beers and their misplaced stubborn pride.

[Evilelf007]

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

[Rdubs]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

That's one way to look at it.

Well it's the way to look at it. I read that the way he said it, that it's old text that's being removed, and when they revealed the new text:



It fell in line perfectly with what Chris Priestly said. It's old text that got removed.

If you read that as them denying the prothean's existence then you need to learn how the English language works.

This is what makes this so funny.  Chris issues a cover statement reacting to a leak which really isn't a cover statement in that it isn't really retracting the content but rather the leak text itself, but phrased in such a way that it would seem to apply to the content and not the text which was removed, which results in multitudes of people in the forums quoting him as having denied or "debunked" the Prothean rumor.  So he issues a statement of the obvious about the obvious, but when people are like "he must be talking about the content, because no one would make such an obvious statement about the text" he just lets that ride.  That's pretty sad if you ask me, that people would defend him by saying you should have interpreted him literally full well knowing that no one did have, or would have.

So all the multitudes of people who responded to or started forums titled things like "THERE IS NO PROTHEAN DLC CHARACTER" are all stupid.  I bet Killer Angel must feel pretty foolish for not interpreting Chris literally when she started this thread, but maybe it's because she "needs to learn how the English language works."
http://social.biowar...index/7600487/1

[Dreskar]

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

I hope so, I don't want him even mentioned in the CE during play. Uggg I dunno I just hate the very concept of the character and his existence to be fan service only.

[OdanUrr]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

No because the LEAK told us it was a Prothean. He never denied the prothean he just said [/i]that information was old text that is getting removed.

Then, a few days later, they revealed the new text, which confirmed everything that was leaked, it just never stated that it was a Prothean like the [i]old text that got removed did.

If the old leaked text says we're getting a DLC prothean/mission, and the new text says we're getting a DLC character/mission, then it's not exactly rocket science to piece 2 and 2 together.

Ah, but we're down to what I've been trying to say all along: there was no official statement on this. Putting two and two together implies guesswork. Indeed, the expression means "to guess the truth about a situation from what you have seen or heard." Thus, any argument suggesting I should have guessed the bonus squadmate would be a Prothean in order to buy the CE doesn't really hold water.

[MageCeridan]

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

That's the crux of the mather really.

CE/DDE paid for said bonus content, SE can get it by paying 10$.

For reference:

(60+10 = 70) <=> (70<80).

So SE + that DLC is still cheaper then the DDE/CE version.

Modifié par MageCeridan, 24 février 2012 - 01:42 .

[heart again]

obie191970 wrote...
I think it's hilarious that people who have spent hundreds of hours playing through 1 and 2 are going to miss out on the final chapter over the price of two beers and their misplaced stubborn pride.

[Rdubs]

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

I agree with you in principle - if the Prothean squaddie basically has nothing to say, and doesn't go into his story, and just shoots people saying "target down", then yeah what's the big deal.  But if it's a character who by joining you can talk to and get story out of - and I don't see how that WON'T be possible seeing as how he comes with his own mission - then it's important lore content and at that point it crosses the line into something which should be included with the main game.

Did you miss DJBare's spoiler post a little while back?

I read it, and how does it make up for the content you won't be experiencing with him during such events as his mission?

[GnusmasTHX]

Lorfean wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).

And that's why I won't be buying the game. I absolutely hate the idea of missing out on the final chapter of the trilogy, but it's completely unacceptable to me that they charge me $ 10,- on top of the $ 60,- I'm already paying for the game in order get the "full experience". And their argument that longtime fans are more likely to buy the CE anyway is bull**** -- I've been buying their games since 1998, when Baldur's Gate came out, I am a longtime fan and loyal costumer and I've simply never been interested in the CE's because all they offered was "fluff" (art books, sound tracks, miniatures, etc.). Some people love that fluff, love collecting it and putting it on display, and that's great -- more power to them -- but that's not me. And that fact doesn't make me any less of a longtime fan.

And I don't care if the scope of the DLC is more along the lines of Zaeed (minimal) instead of Shale (expansive and awesome) -- it's a freaking Prothean squad member and a mission to Eden Prime! It's obviously lore-centric content with great nostalgic potential that ANY Mass Effect fan would be interested in.

So who do you suggest they make to replace him, then? Because the CE owners were promised an additional character and mission.

I want rachni queen squadmate and romance.

Putting aside the fact that a squad member and an exclusive mission shouldn't have been part of the CE in the first place, I think someone else made a good suggestion here: give CE owners the first "real" ME3 DLC for free. Post launch DLC is always a matter of choice anyway -- some players buy all of it, and others are more selective. I, for example, purchased most of the post launch DLC for DA:O, but only purchased "Lair of the Shadow Broker" for ME2 because that was the only one that appealed to me (and I loved it).

Story content should be the same for all costumers on launch day, regardless of which version of the game they purchased. A few exclusive pieces of equipment here and there, tied to pre-orders through different retailers, is fine, but characters and missions should be the same for everyone.

Well unfortunately if they decided that Prothean and his mission are now free for everyone, it still MUST be a new character and mission in the first "real" DLC. BW advertised it as such.

[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

You do if you want the complete game. As in everything available in day 1.

You never paid for it. It was listed as "bonus" you only paid for those items listed as "exclusive"

You have no right to say what is or is not complete.That's down to either the definition of the word or the legal interpretation of the word. Now the legal one I'm not sure of I'm pursing it. However. 

[color=#333333">having all parts or elements]lacking[/color] nothing; [color=#333333">whole]entire;[/color] [color=#333333">full: a complete set ]of[/color] Mark Twain's writings.

By that definition ME3 SE is not complete.


Sorry about that either have to going to highlight or look up your own definition of complete.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 01:44 .

[GnusmasTHX]

MageCeridan wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

That's the crux of the mather really.

CE/DDE paid for said bonus content, SE can get it by paying 10$.

For reference:

(60+10 = 70) <=> (70<80).

So SE + that DLC is still cheaper then the DDE/CE version.

The DDE and CE come with more stuff than "From Ashes" as you should be fully aware.

[Clayless]

Rdubs wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

That's one way to look at it.

Well it's the way to look at it. I read that the way he said it, that it's old text that's being removed, and when they revealed the new text:



It fell in line perfectly with what Chris Priestly said. It's old text that got removed.

If you read that as them denying the prothean's existence then you need to learn how the English language works.

This is what makes this so funny.  Chris issues a cover statement reacting to a leak which really isn't a cover statement in that it isn't really retracting the content but rather the leak text itself, but phrased in such a way that it would seem to apply to the content and not the text which was removed, which results in multitudes of people in the forums quoting him as having denied or "debunked" the Prothean rumor.  So he issues a statement of the obvious about the obvious, but when people are like "he must be talking about the content, because no one would make such an obvious statement about the text" he just lets that ride.  That's pretty sad if you ask me, that people would defend him by saying you should have interpreted him literally full well knowing that no one did have, or would have.

So all the multitudes of people who responded to or started forums titled things like "THERE IS NO PROTHEAN DLC CHARACTER" are all stupid.  I bet Killer Angel must feel pretty foolish for not interpreting Chris literally when she started this thread, but maybe it's because she "needs to learn how the English language works."
http://social.biowar...index/7600487/1

Exactly.

Anyone that read DLC prothean/mission and "oh that's old text that's getting removed" is somewhat foolish or not a native english speaker.

Anyone that read DLC prothean/mission and "oh that's old text that's getting removed", then read the new DLC character/mission text a few days later and didn't think it was a prothean is a bloody idiot.

Reading one or the other and not realising it is fine. Reading both just makes you incredibly dense.

[sp0ck 06]

My real issue isn't the day 1 DLC, its how the heck is a Prothean squadmate not essential to the main storyline?

[NoxJuked]

I think almost everyone would agree day 1 DLC that comes out and was worked on while the core game was being worked on is bad. Bioware came out and said that this DLC was worked on while the core game was trying to go gold already, which means they worked on it after. As for the 9 month ago leaks, was most likely just the idea pitched in the office etc it doesn't mean they were working on it unless you have proof? Right none of us do so anything that goes against what Bioware said about the DLC so far feels like a conspiracy theory about how EA/Bioware is trying to milk the consumer for more money.

Do I fully believe either side though, no. I will hold rage until after the game is out and determine if they really swindled me for money, if they did oh well 10$ can't ****ing regret it I won't buy another game but this scenario is very doubtful as they have provided great DLC, multiplayer, and 3 fantastic games I have bought from them ME1, 2, and Dragon Age: Origins.

[GnusmasTHX]

sp0ck 06 wrote...

My real issue isn't the day 1 DLC, its how the heck is a Prothean squadmate not essential to the main storyline?

What makes you think he will be?

Shepard is human.

Zaeed is human.

Zaeed will defeat the Reapers?

[Blarty]

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.

Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun."  Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing."  Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.

No need to take things to ad absurdum.

Except there is a good chance that dialogue will still occur and that the dlc simply adds him as a squadmate with a mission.  And once again, it was common knowledge that the CE would include a squaddie and mission from the beginning.  

I agree with you in principle - if the Prothean squaddie basically has nothing to say, and doesn't go into his story, and just shoots people saying "target down", then yeah what's the big deal.  But if it's a character who by joining you can talk to and get story out of - and I don't see how that WON'T be possible seeing as how he comes with his own mission - then it's important lore content and at that point it crosses the line into something which should be included with the main game.

LotSB provides important Lore Content, even provides a brand new race and first contact history, you gain more insight into Shepard's retrieval and Liara's mindset between ME 1 and ME 2..... Overlord provides a substantial look into Cerberus' forays into AI and Humans... that's pretty damn significant..... are you saying they should have delayed ME2s release to include both of these DLC packs, and that in bundling them with ME2 for PS3 you have been slighted and conned somewhat because PS3 owners didn't need to make a separate purchase and you did.

For me one of the great things about Mass Effect and Bioware's stance in general to DLC is that they actually add something, yes there's lore and it enhances the game beyond it's already complete parameters - if they just produced weapons and multiplayer skins and appearance packs you'd also be telling us how they're trying to rip off their loyal fans. 

It's like all the BS about how much stuff has got DLC codes with it - 80% of the stuff is the Collector Rifle - all the Razer PC gear is all the same piece of DLC.

Would you rather have that all Bioware employees involved in the game simply down tools when their bit is done and wait for release so they can begin DLC production at that point to avoid ticking off their fans who claim DLC development destroys core game development.... 

[heart again]

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

I agree with you in principle - if the Prothean squaddie basically has nothing to say, and doesn't go into his story, and just shoots people saying "target down", then yeah what's the big deal.  But if it's a character who by joining you can talk to and get story out of - and I don't see how that WON'T be possible seeing as how he comes with his own mission - then it's important lore content and at that point it crosses the line into something which should be included with the main game.

Did you miss DJBare's spoiler post a little while back?

I read it, and how does it make up for the content you won't be experiencing with him during such events as his mission?

Simply because of the fact that the CE always had a bonus character and mission included?  Yeah yeah yeah, everyone assumed the character would be nothing interesting, as if that's an argument.

[mornegroth]

I didn't read all the pages in this thread but I'll throw my two cents anyway.

The problem with this DLC is not that it costs 10 bucks, or that it's available on day-one. The problem of this DLC is the content and the way it manages said content. It's a ****ing prothean, as a squadmate. What the hell is going on? This is major! This is something that never happened before... Something that EVERYONE should have access for.

It's as if Bioware had Legion cut from Mass Effect 2 and released it as DLC on day-one, charging money for it. It's a geth, a friendly geth, something never seen before, everyone should have acess to Legion, and everyone had. With the prothean however it's worse, we're talking about a member of a species that is supposed to be extint, it is a trivial piece to the Mass Effect lore. It's not the same as a Zaeed or a Kasumi and it shouldn't be handled as such.

Modifié par mornegroth, 24 février 2012 - 01:51 .

[kongenial]

Interestingly enough is the statement, the DLC would be for ME fans. So even if I bought ME and ME2 on Day-One and am not willing to pay for the CE of ME3 but still buy the Se on Day-One then I'm not a real fan? Well, thats kewl with me, so I am no longer a real fan.  D'oh  

[MageCeridan]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

DJBare wrote...

ohnoyoudidnt wrote...

the people who are defending this business practice are hilarious

You might find it hilarious, but I find it sad that some folk are going to miss out the final of an epic trilogy due to their stubborn pride, Bioware is not depriving them of food or meds, they are not depriving them of water, in fact they are not depriving them of anything, SE owners can still purchase the DLC.

We shouldn't have to purchase the DLC -- that's the problem here! They are charging us for content that we received for free when we purchased the standard editions of Dragon Age: Origins (The Stone Prisoner) and Mass Effect 2 (The Cerberus Network).

And that's why I won't be buying the game. I absolutely hate the idea of missing out on the final chapter of the trilogy, but it's completely unacceptable to me that they charge me $ 10,- on top of the $ 60,- I'm already paying for the game in order get the "full experience". And their argument that longtime fans are more likely to buy the CE anyway is bull**** -- I've been buying their games since 1998, when Baldur's Gate came out, I am a longtime fan and loyal costumer and I've simply never been interested in the CE's because all they offered was "fluff" (art books, sound tracks, miniatures, etc.). Some people love that fluff, love collecting it and putting it on display, and that's great -- more power to them -- but that's not me. And that fact doesn't make me any less of a longtime fan.

And I don't care if the scope of the DLC is more along the lines of Zaeed (minimal) instead of Shale (expansive and awesome) -- it's a freaking Prothean squad member and a mission to Eden Prime! It's obviously lore-centric content with great nostalgic potential that ANY Mass Effect fan would be interested in.

So who do you suggest they make to replace him, then? Because the CE owners were promised an additional character and mission.

I want rachni queen squadmate and romance.

Putting aside the fact that a squad member and an exclusive mission shouldn't have been part of the CE in the first place, I think someone else made a good suggestion here: give CE owners the first "real" ME3 DLC for free. Post launch DLC is always a matter of choice anyway -- some players buy all of it, and others are more selective. I, for example, purchased most of the post launch DLC for DA:O, but only purchased "Lair of the Shadow Broker" for ME2 because that was the only one that appealed to me (and I loved it).

Story content should be the same for all costumers on launch day, regardless of which version of the game they purchased. A few exclusive pieces of equipment here and there, tied to pre-orders through different retailers, is fine, but characters and missions should be the same for everyone.

Well unfortunately if they decided that Prothean and his mission are now free for everyone, it still MUST be a new character and mission in the first "real" DLC. BW advertised it as such.

Let's not forget that CE/DDE was advertised has having a bonus DLC with a character and a mission, SE was NOT advertised to have a Character+Mission bonus.

Note: I actually bought the DDE version for the Digital music pack, but since the DLC was promised to us for free, I fail to understand the point of those that oppose said DLC. They get to have the possibility to buy a piece of the DDE package.

Note2: I will reiterate what others have said: the CN/Zaeed in ME2 was NOT free, it was a bonus of having to buy the game new(as in not used), in ME3, the Multiplayer take this role instead.

[BTCentral]

DifferentD17 wrote...

I think some people wouldn't be mad if it where included instead of or with the online pass. It just seems like they made multiplayer so they could charge for this DLC. It just my opinion though.

Bioware made ME3 with multiplayer because EA require their AAA titles to have a multiplayer component now.

Virtually all other recent non-CE versions of AAA titles from EA included "free" multiplayer as the "new purchase bonus" rather than additional DLC. Why would ME3 be any different? If you thought it would be, honestly, the only person you were kidding is yourself.

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 01:55 .

[Clayless]

OdanUrr wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

No because the LEAK told us it was a Prothean. He never denied the prothean he just said [/i]that information was old text that is getting removed.

Then, a few days later, they revealed the new text, which confirmed everything that was leaked, it just never stated that it was a Prothean like the [i]old text that got removed did.

If the old leaked text says we're getting a DLC prothean/mission, and the new text says we're getting a DLC character/mission, then it's not exactly rocket science to piece 2 and 2 together.

Ah, but we're down to what I've been trying to say all along: there was no official statement on this. Putting two and two together implies guesswork. Indeed, the expression means "to guess the truth about a situation from what you have seen or heard." Thus, any argument suggesting I should have guessed the bonus squadmate would be a Prothean in order to buy the CE doesn't really hold water.

Yeah there was no official statement on it. The official reveal was slated for later today I think.

Bioware never suggested you should guess the bonus squaddie was a prothy, in fact they never suggested anything about the bonus squaddie at all.

[Evilelf007]

If you think that the cost of bonus content was not factored into the price of the CE, you're fooling yourself! Even the digital deluxe edition has the cost...yet they don't get the physical collectibles. That tells you that the bonus content has a cost. Always does!