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[Evilelf007]

Btw, I have a Shelby GT500 convertible sitting under a cover in my garage. It's got everything except recaro seats and the SVT-PP...yet there is no way I would say the car is not complete!

That is the same thing here...the Prothean is an option you can add to the game, just like recaro seats or the SVT-PP could have been added to my Shelby. On the Shelby I passed on a couple options, on ME3, I asked for the fully loaded version.

That's how most every product is made/sold. Why did anyone think video gaming would end up any different?

[ZX12r Ninja]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Proof Bioware are missleading you ? 

 http://social.biowar...3/index/9439849

You type something up yourself and then link to it as proof...

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

You do if you want the complete game. As in everything available in day 1.

You never paid for it. It was listed as "bonus" you only paid for those items listed as "exclusive"

You have no right to say what is or is not complete.That's down to either the definition of the word or the legal interpretation of the word. Now the legal one I'm not sure of I'm pursing it. However. 

[color=#333333">having all parts or elements]lacking[/color] nothing; [color=#333333">whole]entire;[/color] [color=#333333">full: a complete set ]of[/color] Mark Twain's writings.

By that definition ME3 SE is not complete.


Sorry about that either have to going to highlight or look up your own definition of complete.

Just stop. We get what you're trying to say but your argument holds no validity. "You never paid for it" ... wrong. I purchased the CE almost exclusively because of the squad mate. I ordered back in July and that was the thing that changed my mind from the SE. Granted, I saw some in-game items and things that would be cool to have but without the DLC I never would have bought the CE. So don't try to tell me I didn't pay for it. That's incredibly self-righteous and you simply have no clue what our motivations were for spending that extra money.

Also, you don't have any "right" as you say to definitively say what is complete or not either. You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, if BioWare says the core game is perfectly full of stuff and the DLC is non-essential to the main story of Shepard killing Reapers, then I believe them. There's so much mistrust flying around here, it's ridiculous.

[Blarty]

Rdubs wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

 

Rdubs wrote...

Okay two final things here then I'm signing off. 
First, as I mentioned I bought the CE this doesn't affect me personally but it is screwed up for those who are as big as ME fans as I am, that they will have to pay extra to get the same full-game experience. BUT, a lot of people here seem to have the attitude of "I bought the CE and paid extra, so all the rest of you should have to pay extra if you want the same content I have." There's only one word for that: Dick.
.

 

So the content you paid for should be free to others?

Or should I phrase it this way, the content BioWare charged you for, they should give free to others?

Thank you Gnusmas for bring up a great point!
When I bought the CE it was just because I loved the series so much I was willing to pay a little extra for a silly dog running around and whatever other crap came with it.  I didn't even look and see all that came with it, I just knew I wanted to support Bioware for such a great production.  I was mostly thinking about the tangibles and things, not content critical to my enjoyment of the full game.
And to answer your question directly, I want EVERYONE who enjoys Mass Effect lore to be able to have the same full experience with the game as I do.  The DLC character I was expecting was basically Zaeed 2.0, who I would ignore.  Or maybe another romance option - I certainly wasn't expecting a prothean.  Everyone should have access to that as it is a critical part of the ME lore.

 
Don't get me wrong I see your point - but you say 'basically Zaeed 2.0, who I would ignore' ... why? Both Zaeed and Kasumi ADD to the Mass Effect universe, indeed I believe that both of these having criminal connections could be very important in a post ME3 universe - governments collapse and often black markets and the such thrive and fill the gap, one such organization could be the Blue Suns.... and at this point one could say that these character stories become more important than you perhaps give them credit for now.

[AkiKishi]

Definition of 'Misselling'The ethically questionable practice of a salesperson misrepresenting or misleading an investor about the characteristics of a product or service. In an effort to make a sale to a potential customer, a financial products salesperson could leave out certain information or describe a financial product as something the investor urgently needs, even though sound financial judgment would come to the opposite conclusion.

I draw your attention to this post by Micheal Gamble.Specifically the highlighted element about ME3's state out of the box.

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

I'd like you to look at this which is a dictionary definition of the word "Complete"

Having all parts or elements; lacking nothing.

In fact ME the Standard Edition does not have all parts or elements or indeed lack nothing. Because you are trying to charge extra for those very elements.

It's not as long as it looks. I reproduced the whole of the post by Micheal Gamble from page one (hence the length).

[GnusmasTHX]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Btw, I have a Shelby GT500 convertible sitting under a cover in my garage. It's got everything except recaro seats and the SVT-PP...yet there is no way I would say the car is not complete!

That is the same thing here...the Prothean is an option you can add to the game, just like recaro seats or the SVT-PP could have been added to my Shelby. On the Shelby I passed on a couple options, on ME3, I asked for the fully loaded version.

That's how most every product is made/sold. Why did anyone think video gaming would end up any different?

Because some of these people are true BioWare fans, dammit!

Also to the person above me, by your definition of complete, no game can ever have expansions, DLC's or patches.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 24 février 2012 - 02:13 .

[deamon deathstone1]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Wow.  The madness rolls on...

Well, I pre-ordered the CE.  It cost me about a hundred bucks.  That's cool, I knew what I was getting, I know what I want out of my ME3 experience.  It's the same reason I buy Criterion editions of movies I really like, to get as much content for my dollar as possible - to have a definitive version.  The definitive versions are usually the versions that cost more.  They're shiny.  They have that new gun smell.  They offer more so they cost more.  Simple. Logical.  Most reasonable people would agree with this.  

The SE is the standard edition.  It's the main game.  It's the finished game certified, pressed and released (
*X-Files music here* or so those lying sonsob!tches would have us believe).  It does not, however, have the bells and whistles.  People know this.  Hence "Standard Edition."  There is no mystery unless you're a moron. That's why it's 60 bucks.  It's the game and that's all it is. That's all you get and you know that going in - unless you're a moron.

If the DLC had never been released for either version, we would all think that that was all there was, and we'd be right. But no, EA/BW are sitting in their steel towers laughing and rubbing their hands together thinking up new ways to screw the peons because they've nothing better to do, will never be found out, never called to the mat for it.  Next they'll be demanding our wimmens for an extra week of MP.  Future games will demand contracts signed with a bloody thumbprint.

Gawddamned diabolical geniuses!  (...and not the nerds and 'puter junkies they really are...nevermind)

So, if SE buyers suddenly demanded the N7 fabric patch and the soundtrack for free because the CE buyers are getting extra content - and whether it's gameplay or not that's exactly what it is - content - would it seem more righteous then?  Would the principle of the thing be more justified if the SE folks were demanding that swag?  The argument would then swiftly degenerate into, "Well, how come my box is plastic, but he done got the tin?  It's class warfare!"  Y'all know this would happen.

So, no.  I paid a hundred bucks for all this extra.  That includes the stupid Prothean, whether he's integral to the plot or not. If anyone deserves the extra content it's me, BECAUSE I LEGITIMATELY PAID FOR IT.  It don't look "free" from where I'm sitting.  Those who self-righteously demand it for free under the guise of some "glorious cause to free gamers from corporate bondage" are full of sh!t and they know it.  These are in the same league as those folks who use the same cretinous logic demanding the "right" to have automatic weapons and armor-piercing bullets for "deer hunting".  Yeah. Right.  The hell.

I can just as easily add that I'm also paying that hundred bucks to get MP I do not want, MP content I have no interest in but have to pay for anyway. Maybe they should give everyone who does not want the MP content that content for free - and those who want it can pay for it, or give us the option of not having it included at all and knock 10 bucks off the price. Whattaya think about that?  Is that fair? 

No - that's as fair as people thinking they "deserve" Prothy for nothing simply because it was offered as 1stDay DLC and you've got your knickers in a twist because it offends your delicate sensibilities.  I don't want multiplayer in my game, but I have to pay for it anyway to get the whole game.  It is not fvcking optional at all.  I can't opt out, that bit will still be talking up real estate on my HD.  I'm stuck with what is to me a waste of damn money for a game mode I am not going to play.  I can easily make a case for MP being forced on me and stealing money from my pocket, but that's the way it goes.  I won't be spending any money on the rest of the ME3 DLC - of which 99% of will be MP maps and bullsh!t, anyway.  That's the only satisfaction I can get for this.

If the Prothean character is what BW says it is - by some wild oh-so-improbable miracle - if he is simply a walking codex like Tali was in the first ME, then all of this is going to make all of you "We deserve this because we're angry we was suddenly gyped" look like serious d!ckheads - and you will deserve it.  I don't hear anyone in this thread screaming about pre-order bonuses being denied them.  Well?  Start self-righteously demanding those for free too!  The hell you waiting for?

Every time I see one of these specious and fatuous "arguments" for why y'all so suddenly damn entitled all I can hear is that volus on the Citadel going, "well, she could have taken my chit,".

Simply because that's what this all boils down to, and if Bioware were smart, they'd just adopt the notion of "Well, it looks like we've offended the SE buyers, we're sorry, so we'll withdraw the offer and this DLC."  Hell, they can take it out of my CE version.  Just leave me the guns and armor-whatever, and I'm fine with it.  That way no one has it and no one misses anything.  We all have the same game then, don't we?  Don't we?

You don't get your "blood money", Bioware, and the rest of us don't have to be plagued by this nonsense.  Just offer it a year from now for 8 bucks, and we'll see if it matters so bloody much then.

Hear, hear!

[Monochrome Wench]

I have an amazing idea. Perhaps all you people with CE's having a crisis of faith because you are getting something that you paid for that SE owners don't want to pay for should GIVE AWAY YOUR DLC CODE to someone else who has 'only' ordered the SE.

Modifié par Monochrome Wench, 24 février 2012 - 02:13 .

[GnusmasTHX]

deamon deathstone1 wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

Wow.  The madness rolls on...

Well, I pre-ordered the CE.  It cost me about a hundred bucks.  That's cool, I knew what I was getting, I know what I want out of my ME3 experience.  It's the same reason I buy Criterion editions of movies I really like, to get as much content for my dollar as possible - to have a definitive version.  The definitive versions are usually the versions that cost more.  They're shiny.  They have that new gun smell.  They offer more so they cost more.  Simple. Logical.  Most reasonable people would agree with this.  

The SE is the standard edition.  It's the main game.  It's the finished game certified, pressed and released (
*X-Files music here* or so those lying sonsob!tches would have us believe).  It does not, however, have the bells and whistles.  People know this.  Hence "Standard Edition."  There is no mystery unless you're a moron. That's why it's 60 bucks.  It's the game and that's all it is. That's all you get and you know that going in - unless you're a moron.

If the DLC had never been released for either version, we would all think that that was all there was, and we'd be right. But no, EA/BW are sitting in their steel towers laughing and rubbing their hands together thinking up new ways to screw the peons because they've nothing better to do, will never be found out, never called to the mat for it.  Next they'll be demanding our wimmens for an extra week of MP.  Future games will demand contracts signed with a bloody thumbprint.

Gawddamned diabolical geniuses!  (...and not the nerds and 'puter junkies they really are...nevermind)

So, if SE buyers suddenly demanded the N7 fabric patch and the soundtrack for free because the CE buyers are getting extra content - and whether it's gameplay or not that's exactly what it is - content - would it seem more righteous then?  Would the principle of the thing be more justified if the SE folks were demanding that swag?  The argument would then swiftly degenerate into, "Well, how come my box is plastic, but he done got the tin?  It's class warfare!"  Y'all know this would happen.

So, no.  I paid a hundred bucks for all this extra.  That includes the stupid Prothean, whether he's integral to the plot or not. If anyone deserves the extra content it's me, BECAUSE I LEGITIMATELY PAID FOR IT.  It don't look "free" from where I'm sitting.  Those who self-righteously demand it for free under the guise of some "glorious cause to free gamers from corporate bondage" are full of sh!t and they know it.  These are in the same league as those folks who use the same cretinous logic demanding the "right" to have automatic weapons and armor-piercing bullets for "deer hunting".  Yeah. Right.  The hell.

I can just as easily add that I'm also paying that hundred bucks to get MP I do not want, MP content I have no interest in but have to pay for anyway. Maybe they should give everyone who does not want the MP content that content for free - and those who want it can pay for it, or give us the option of not having it included at all and knock 10 bucks off the price. Whattaya think about that?  Is that fair? 

No - that's as fair as people thinking they "deserve" Prothy for nothing simply because it was offered as 1stDay DLC and you've got your knickers in a twist because it offends your delicate sensibilities.  I don't want multiplayer in my game, but I have to pay for it anyway to get the whole game.  It is not fvcking optional at all.  I can't opt out, that bit will still be talking up real estate on my HD.  I'm stuck with what is to me a waste of damn money for a game mode I am not going to play.  I can easily make a case for MP being forced on me and stealing money from my pocket, but that's the way it goes.  I won't be spending any money on the rest of the ME3 DLC - of which 99% of will be MP maps and bullsh!t, anyway.  That's the only satisfaction I can get for this.

If the Prothean character is what BW says it is - by some wild oh-so-improbable miracle - if he is simply a walking codex like Tali was in the first ME, then all of this is going to make all of you "We deserve this because we're angry we was suddenly gyped" look like serious d!ckheads - and you will deserve it.  I don't hear anyone in this thread screaming about pre-order bonuses being denied them.  Well?  Start self-righteously demanding those for free too!  The hell you waiting for?

Every time I see one of these specious and fatuous "arguments" for why y'all so suddenly damn entitled all I can hear is that volus on the Citadel going, "well, she could have taken my chit,".

Simply because that's what this all boils down to, and if Bioware were smart, they'd just adopt the notion of "Well, it looks like we've offended the SE buyers, we're sorry, so we'll withdraw the offer and this DLC."  Hell, they can take it out of my CE version.  Just leave me the guns and armor-whatever, and I'm fine with it.  That way no one has it and no one misses anything.  We all have the same game then, don't we?  Don't we?

You don't get your "blood money", Bioware, and the rest of us don't have to be plagued by this nonsense.  Just offer it a year from now for 8 bucks, and we'll see if it matters so bloody much then.

Hear, hear!

I quote it again not only because of the message it conveys, but also for the manner in which it is presented.

[ZX12r Ninja]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

I have an amazing idea. Perhaps all you people with CE's having a crisis of faith because you are getting something that you paid for that SE owners don't want to pay for should GIVE AWAY YOUR DLC CODE to someone else who has 'only' ordered the SE.

Why would I do that? Go get your own DLC code!

[kongenial]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Proof Bioware are missleading you ? 

 http://social.biowar...3/index/9439849

You type something up yourself and then link to it as proof...

Nope, here is the original post by Michael Gambel:

http://social.biowar...03705/1#9403705

Yep, the truth is out there 

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...
Just stop. We get what you're trying to say but your argument holds no validity. "You never paid for it" ... wrong. I purchased the CE almost exclusively because of the squad mate. I ordered back in July and that was the thing that changed my mind from the SE. Granted, I saw some in-game items and things that would be cool to have but without the DLC I never would have bought the CE. So don't try to tell me I didn't pay for it. That's incredibly self-righteous and you simply have no clue what our motivations were for spending that extra money.

Also, you don't have any "right" as you say to definitively say what is complete or not either. You're entitled to your opinion of course. However, if BioWare says the core game is perfectly full of stuff and the DLC is non-essential to the main story of Shepard killing Reapers, then I believe them. There's so much mistrust flying around here, it's ridiculous.

It's a listed as a bonus I'm not telling you anything that's just how things work. You pay for exclusives not bonuses by definition a bonus is an extra.

I'm using complete as it's defined

[Daywalker315]

Blarty wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

I see no problem with that but clearly people need to stop claiming they know what the "complete" experience is when they haven't even played the game.  I could always say that I'm not getting the "complete" experience just because I'm not getting the Raider shotgun.

Technically true, so to handle that we'd need to examine the strength of the arguments.

Argument #1: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because it was missing the Raider shotgun."  Most people would agree this would be a fairly weak argument.
Agrument #2: "I did not enjoy the game as much as I otherwise would have because dialogue and interaction with the survivor of a legendary race, which ME lore references quite extensively, was missing."  Most people woudl agree this would be a strong, or at least stronger, argument.

No need to take things to ad absurdum.

Except there is a good chance that dialogue will still occur and that the dlc simply adds him as a squadmate with a mission.  And once again, it was common knowledge that the CE would include a squaddie and mission from the beginning.  

I agree with you in principle - if the Prothean squaddie basically has nothing to say, and doesn't go into his story, and just shoots people saying "target down", then yeah what's the big deal.  But if it's a character who by joining you can talk to and get story out of - and I don't see how that WON'T be possible seeing as how he comes with his own mission - then it's important lore content and at that point it crosses the line into something which should be included with the main game.

LotSB provides important Lore Content, even provides a brand new race and first contact history, you gain more insight into Shepard's retrieval and Liara's mindset between ME 1 and ME 2..... Overlord provides a substantial look into Cerberus' forays into AI and Humans... that's pretty damn significant..... are you saying they should have delayed ME2s release to include both of these DLC packs, and that in bundling them with ME2 for PS3 you have been slighted and conned somewhat because PS3 owners didn't need to make a separate purchase and you did.

For me one of the great things about Mass Effect and Bioware's stance in general to DLC is that they actually add something, yes there's lore and it enhances the game beyond it's already complete parameters - if they just produced weapons and multiplayer skins and appearance packs you'd also be telling us how they're trying to rip off their loyal fans. 

It's like all the BS about how much stuff has got DLC codes with it - 80% of the stuff is the Collector Rifle - all the Razer PC gear is all the same piece of DLC.

Would you rather have that all Bioware employees involved in the game simply down tools when their bit is done and wait for release so they can begin DLC production at that point to avoid ticking off their fans who claim DLC development destroys core game development.... 

Good points here. Not to mention people use LotSB and Arrival as talking points on this but the fact is they were designed months after the game to bridge ME2 and ME3 along with being fun standalone adventures. ME3 will do an adequate job recapping the events of those things for people who never played them, I'm sure.

In this case, day 1 squadmate DLC, since it's not later and major story content to bridge two games, it's safe to say it won't be important to the main story of the game. Zaeed and Kasumi have proven this fact. DLC characters provide a new mission and some new things to say (Zaeed not really). If people don't want to spend the $10, they can always go onto YouTube and watch all the lore stuff he says the day after launch. I don't know what else to tell people. He won't be important to the main story of ME3.

[AkiKishi]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also to the person above me, by your definition of complete, no game can ever have expansions, DLC's or patches.

Eh ? Sure it can. That only refers to the state of release.

Patches etc come later.

[GuyIncognito21]

The point is they were not forthright about the content that was being included in the CE. It was quite reasonable for people to assume that the mystery character was some superfluous "bonus" like Zaeed or Katsumi, not an important part of the galactic lore.

And even that's not really the issue, because the real point is that NOBODY should have to pay for that kind of important content.

[Blarty]

OdanUrr wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

I think almost everyone would agree day 1 DLC that comes out and was worked on while the core game was being worked on is bad. Bioware came out and said that this DLC was worked on while the core game was trying to go gold already, which means they worked on it after. As for the 9 month ago leaks, was most likely just the idea pitched in the office etc it doesn't mean they were working on it unless you have proof? Right none of us do so anything that goes against what Bioware said about the DLC so far feels like a conspiracy theory about how EA/Bioware is trying to milk the consumer for more money.

Do I fully believe either side though, no. I will hold rage until after the game is out and determine if they really swindled me for money, if they did oh well 10$ can't ****ing regret it I won't buy another game but this scenario is very doubtful as they have provided great DLC, multiplayer, and 3 fantastic games I have bought from them ME1, 2, and Dragon Age: Origins.

The way I see it, there are a number of possibilities for this slip and subsequent correction.

1) It was an unintended leak that was still very much an early concept. In that case, when they later rectified it to "Additional character and mission" they must have had some other character and mission that they knew would be ready for launch. Otherwise, those who bought the CE would have found themselves with no additional character or mission.

2) It was an unintended leak but Bioware knew early on it would be ready for launch. This option is the one's that rubbing a lot of people the wrong way because it certainly is one way to interpret the data (if you disregard the more recent statements from Bioware that say they weren't certain they could meet the release date).

3) It was an intended leak to garner fan reaction on the idea of a Prothean squadmate but was handled poorly, leaving some fans to speculate whether this was actually true or not. Fast-forward 9 months later and we are having this discussion.

4) It was an unintended leak that was still very much an early concept, but it was decided to leave the "Additional character and mission" line since the content would be available some time after release date. Still, the development team tried to meet the deadline to release it as Day One DLC to surprise the fans. Apparently, they succeeded.

5) Any other possibilities?:happy:

How about....

6) The Prothean squadmate was developed alongside the initial forays and proof of concepts into multiplayer as a fall back position for the online pass IF the multiplayer portion didn't fit or work, or the new team didn't gel ....

[GnusmasTHX]

BobSmith101 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also to the person above me, by your definition of complete, no game can ever have expansions, DLC's or patches.

Eh ? Sure it can. That only refers to the state of release.

Patches etc come later.

But you can infer that if a game needs to be patched in the future, in needed to be patched upon release.

Or is this issue entirely the time frame in which post-release releases are released? 

[Daywalker315]

kongenial wrote...

Interestingly enough is the statement, the DLC would be for ME fans. So even if I bought ME and ME2 on Day-One and am not willing to pay for the CE of ME3 but still buy the Se on Day-One then I'm not a real fan? Well, thats kewl with me, so I am no longer a real fan.  D'oh  

They never said nobody was a real fan if they didn't buy the CE. NEVER. Stop putting words in their mouths (fingers?). It says the version MANY fans would likely buy. That is accurate. MANY fans have bought the CE. In fact, I'd say hundreds of thousands of fans bought a CE. Does that qualify as many to you? You have the chance to buy it if you want the walking codex but the game insn't incomplete without him. He will have no bearing or extra role in the main story of ME3 and killing Reapers.

[Raxxman]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

You shouldn't HAVE to pay for dlc on day one? Nobody said you did HAVE to in the first place!

Though if you WANT the Prothean and mission, you will then HAVE to pay for it, just as those who paid for the CE did.

We already chose to pay for it, you can still say screw it and do without and not have any affect on game completeness.

You do if you want the complete game. As in everything available in day 1.

You never paid for it. It was listed as "bonus" you only paid for those items listed as "exclusive"

You have no right to say what is or is not complete.That's down to either the definition of the word or the legal interpretation of the word. Now the legal one I'm not sure of I'm pursing it. However. 

[color=#333333">having all parts or elements]lacking[/color] nothing; [color=#333333">whole]entire;[/color] [color=#333333">full: a complete set ]of[/color] Mark Twain's writings.

By that definition ME3 SE is not complete.


Sorry about that either have to going to highlight or look up your own definition of complete.

By your logic a car which isn't fully optioned is not complete, a house without a pool is not complete, a computer without an SSD and highend graphics card is not complete, a console without all it's accesories is not complete, a meal without desert is not complete, etc. etc. etc. etc.

If you didn't get what is advertised then it's not complete, else it is!

When  you take all the optional extras in a car it's called the complete package...

ME3 SE is only complete when compared to itself.

ME3 the game is undisputably not limited to the content of the SE, ergo the SE does not repesent the complete form of the game. It repesents the core game, which you can argue is complete as a game, having a beginning, middle and end, but not as ME3 the game, because there's content which doesn't come with it.

Two identical versions of the game are coming out, except one has more in it. How can the other one be 'complete'? This is starting to sound like a George Orwell novel.

By the way it's entirely fine for a company to release core content, LoL has an amazing system of payment, you buy the parts of the game (the champs) you want, you can buy the complete game if you like but you're under no obligation to spend any money if you don't feel the game is.

[OdanUrr]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I quote it again not only because of the message it conveys, but also for the manner in which it is presented.

You mean that it's confrontational and insulting? Why is it that the posts that get clapped on the BSN are the ones that end up insulting someone? While I agree with many of the points raised, I believe he could've phrased them in a more civil manner. But that's not going to happen, right? Because you need to curse to draw attention. By all means, keep at it.

[Diveos]

BobSmith101 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also to the person above me, by your definition of complete, no game can ever have expansions, DLC's or patches.

Eh ? Sure it can. That only refers to the state of release.

Patches etc come later.

Patches would infer incompleteness if they add / change anything.

Regardless, you're trying to argue by definition which is just..... sad.

[Monochrome Wench]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

I have an amazing idea. Perhaps all you people with CE's having a crisis of faith because you are getting something that you paid for that SE owners don't want to pay for should GIVE AWAY YOUR DLC CODE to someone else who has 'only' ordered the SE.

Why would I do that? Go get your own DLC code!

I'm not asking for anything. I've already preorederd DDE so this is a non issue for me. I'm suggesting that CE owners that don't agree that Bioware should be charging for this DLC should give away their DLC code to unfortunate people who are getting the SE. They obviously think it should be worth $0 so they should not have any issues giving it away.

Oh wait, you don't want to give it away? Must be worth more than $0 then.

[GnusmasTHX]

OdanUrr wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

I quote it again not only because of the message it conveys, but also for the manner in which it is presented.

You mean that it's confrontational and insulting? Why is it that the posts that get clapped on the BSN are the ones that end up insulting someone? While I agree with many of the points raised, I believe he could've phrased them in a more civil manner. But that's not going to happen, right? Because you need to curse to draw attention. By all means, keep at it.

Why is it insulting at all? It's text.

It's no one you care about talking about things in a way you disagree with.

It's insulting because you allow it to be.

There's a word for this.

But regardless, it's funny, that's why. Hyperbole tends to be funny to some people. Sue us.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 24 février 2012 - 02:27 .

[ZX12r Ninja]

BobSmith101 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Also to the person above me, by your definition of complete, no game can ever have expansions, DLC's or patches.

Eh ? Sure it can. That only refers to the state of release.

Patches etc come later.

And yet again I repeat.

By your logic a car which isn't fully optioned is not complete, a house
without a pool is not complete, a computer without an SSD and highend
graphics card is not complete, a console without all it's accesories is
not complete, a meal without desert is not complete, etc. etc. etc. etc.

If you didn't get what is advertised then it's not complete, else it is!