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[nitefyre410]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

I don't expect to be "showered with gifts" at all, but I expect BioWare to understand that denying players a squad member because they chose to buy the standard version of the game instead of one of the fancy pimped up versions is a stupid-ass move. I don't care if CE buyers get extra weapons, hoodies, dogs that follow them around... I could even accept a side mission or two of some kind, but squad members are an integral part of the game and this guy is extremely interesting lore-wise and his mission has great nostalgic potential for any longtime fan of the series. *That* is what I have a problem with. Everything considered, the content sounds like it definitely *should* be part of the full experience, but it isn't.

 

^   He gets it...

^No he doesn't, and neither do you. He said "denying players a squad member". Wrong. No one is denying anybody anything. You can buy it as DLC. That is not being denied something. That is just being asked to pay extra for extra content that is non-essential to the main story of ME3, which is killing reapers, not "learning more about the guys who died out 50,000 years ago".

 
Whats funny is they tested it with Sebastion but none "cared " enough to notice

playable/usable squadsmates are now  considered by Bioware to be Collector Editon bonus items or "paid"  Day 1 DLC because "they say" its  Extra... Okay...  I don't care if it was some kind of joke Dan like character or  a freaking Mini-game.    If they cut  him they should in pre-production because of cost or whatever then thats it ... but don't throw it under a "Exclusive Collectors" Bonus then play  "Oh  look how kind we are "   then charge  everyone else $10 bucks to everyone else.   Then  throw out  the BS  line of  "Well  we wanted to find away to get him in game because he was so awesome and we did not want to cut."  I honestly don't care if  they  a seperate development team working on it or not.

That is called bull****..  But sitting here and going back forth about its  not going to change it - not at it.  So they can stick by their policy  - well with in there rights.  Guess whats with in my right.... not to buy into it and I won't.  

I'm a Consumer  and Customer first and fan second.    So from here on out  I'll will be buying  Bioware games from the used section and  not the new section.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 03:00 .

[heart again]

Dorwrath wrote...

heart again wrote...

Lorfean wrote...
]Squad members directly effect any player's overall experience of the game -- whether their mission is essential or non-essential to the main story is irrelevant. An extra squad member provides the player with unique options that last the entirety of the game and every player, regardless of which version of the game the choose to buy, should have the same options when it comes to squad members.

Really? Cause no one said a word when it was announced that the CE would include a bonus character and mission months and months ago.  I don't recall demands that Kasumi be free either, at least not ones with any merit.

Nope, nobody said a thing about the added mission and character. Nobody cared, nobody said nothing. Yet once it gets announced who the character is, then they say something.  They say it's the principle of day 1 DLC, but if thats the case why didn't they say anything when the DLC was announced.  What it boils down to is they are mad about what the content is and don't want to pay like the Collectors Edition people are paying.

Actually they don't want to spend 10$ LESS then what the CE owners paid.

[LonnyG]

Is there maybe anybody that thinks that there is maybe a little change that the prothean is already in the game but that he only becomes a squadmember with a mission if you have the DLC???

[Rdubs]

mornegroth wrote...

I didn't read all the pages in this thread but I'll throw my two cents anyway.

The problem with this DLC is not that it costs 10 bucks, or that it's available on day-one. The problem of this DLC is the content and the way it manages said content. It's a ****ing prothean, as a squadmate. What the hell is going on? This is major! This is something that never happened before... Something that EVERYONE should have access for.

It's as if Bioware had Legion cut from Mass Effect 2 and released it as DLC on day-one, charging money for it. It's a geth, a friendly geth, something never seen before, everyone should have acess to Legion, and everyone had. With the prothean however it's worse, we're talking about a member of a species that is supposed to be extint, it is a trivial piece to the Mass Effect lore. It's not the same as a Zaeed or a Kasumi and it shouldn't be handled as such.

Holy crap Mornegroth you just summed up everything myself and all the people pissed at this have been trying to convey in two bite-sized paragraphs.  Bravo.  +1

EDIT: I think you meant it is NOT a trivial piece to the lore.
And I think you would enjoy this video. 

Modifié par Rdubs, 24 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[obie191970]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Yeah and what did Zaeed or Katsumi have to add to the lore?

Very little. But this guy, by his very nature, obviously does. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who's been interested in finding out more about the Protheans ever since I heard about them in ME1. Or who is intrigued by the prospect of re-visiting Eden Prime.

Okey, so YOU have some personal expectations which I can respect, but seem a bit ignorant too be honest. What do you expect to find on Eden Prime and second what do you expect to learn about the Protheans?

The Protheans were a race who lived 50.000 years ago, they didn't build the mass relays and they didn't buld the citadel, their technology was mostly based of things left behind from other races in other cycles, they were the last victims of the Reapers, they got attacked 50.000 years ago but because of problems harvesting them they were repurposed as collectors and finally in ME2 they got wiped out by Shepard.

What else do you need to know about the Protheans?

The Protheans story really becomes insignificant after your conversations with Sovereign and Vigil.  And, if I was a betting man, I would think that this Prothean is treated like Liara was in ME2.  He's still regardless and you can interact with him, but with the DLC you can add him as a squad member.

[ZX12r Ninja]

LonnyG wrote...

Is there maybe anybody that thinks that there is maybe a little change that the prothean is already in the game but that he only becomes a squadmember with a mission if you have the DLC???

I do, infact I pitched it yesterday in this thread but nobody cared.

[kongenial]

Rdubs wrote...

mornegroth wrote...

I didn't read all the pages in this thread but I'll throw my two cents anyway.

The problem with this DLC is not that it costs 10 bucks, or that it's available on day-one. The problem of this DLC is the content and the way it manages said content. It's a ****ing prothean, as a squadmate. What the hell is going on? This is major! This is something that never happened before... Something that EVERYONE should have access for.

It's as if Bioware had Legion cut from Mass Effect 2 and released it as DLC on day-one, charging money for it. It's a geth, a friendly geth, something never seen before, everyone should have acess to Legion, and everyone had. With the prothean however it's worse, we're talking about a member of a species that is supposed to be extint, it is a trivial piece to the Mass Effect lore. It's not the same as a Zaeed or a Kasumi and it shouldn't be handled as such.

Holy crap Mornegroth you just summed up everything myself and all the people pissed at this have been trying to convey in two bite-sized paragraphs.  Bravo.  +1

Count me in too +1

Modifié par kongenial, 24 février 2012 - 03:03 .

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There already is another "wow-factor" squaddie for ME3. It's pretty obvious Bioware decided which one was ACTUALLY more important to the story and not just "important because live prothean".

[Rdubs]

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

  The DLC character I was expecting was basically Zaeed 2.0, who I would ignore.  Or maybe another romance option - I certainly wasn't expecting a prothean.  

How is such an assumption a valid point at all?

Go back and read the original question and my full answer.  Your snip is out of context.  Seriously.

[GnusmasTHX]

heart again wrote...

There already is another "wow-factor" squaddie for ME3. It's pretty obvious Bioware decided which one was ACTUALLY more important to the story and not just "important because live prothean".

Ha, yeah, lol.

[ZX12r Ninja]

obie191970 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Yeah and what did Zaeed or Katsumi have to add to the lore?

Very little. But this guy, by his very nature, obviously does. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who's been interested in finding out more about the Protheans ever since I heard about them in ME1. Or who is intrigued by the prospect of re-visiting Eden Prime.

Okey, so YOU have some personal expectations which I can respect, but seem a bit ignorant too be honest. What do you expect to find on Eden Prime and second what do you expect to learn about the Protheans?

The Protheans were a race who lived 50.000 years ago, they didn't build the mass relays and they didn't buld the citadel, their technology was mostly based of things left behind from other races in other cycles, they were the last victims of the Reapers, they got attacked 50.000 years ago but because of problems harvesting them they were repurposed as collectors and finally in ME2 they got wiped out by Shepard.

What else do you need to know about the Protheans?

The Protheans story really becomes insignificant after your conversations with Sovereign and Vigil.  And, if I was a betting man, I would think that this Prothean is treated like Liara was in ME2.  He's still regardless and you can interact with him, but with the DLC you can add him as a squad member.

That's beside the point. He said that he wanted to know more about the Protheans, we know everything we need to know which is significant to the story. Everything else is detail which might or might not have any significance to the story depending on what the writers do with it. It could be the Prothean starts yapping about childhood memories (like Zaeed), is that still significant then? Like I said people like to think it's significant and people like to expect the Prothean is going to reveal something big they're going to mis out on by not having this DLC while infact there is nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT all which even indicates such a thing.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 24 février 2012 - 03:07 .

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Definition of 'Misselling'The ethically questionable practice of a salesperson misrepresenting or misleading an investor about the characteristics of a product or service. In an effort to make a sale to a potential customer, a financial products salesperson could leave out certain information or describe a financial product as something the investor urgently needs, even though sound financial judgment would come to the opposite conclusion.

I draw your attention to this post by Micheal Gamble.Specifically the highlighted element about ME3's state out of the box.

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

I'd like you to look at this which is a dictionary definition of the word "Complete"

Having all parts or elements; lacking nothing.

In fact ME the Standard Edition does not have all parts or elements or indeed lack nothing. Because you are trying to charge extra for those very elements.

It's not as long as it looks. I reproduced the whole of the post by Micheal Gamble from page one (hence the length).

when your quoting someone, please mention when the quote starts and when the quote ends.

Furthermore, when quoting someone, please understand that it may contradict your point (case point:
the DDE/CE WAS ANNOUNCED WITH A CHARACTER/MISSION DLC, NOT THE SE)

[GnusmasTHX]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Yeah and what did Zaeed or Katsumi have to add to the lore?

Very little. But this guy, by his very nature, obviously does. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only guy who's been interested in finding out more about the Protheans ever since I heard about them in ME1. Or who is intrigued by the prospect of re-visiting Eden Prime.

Okey, so YOU have some personal expectations which I can respect, but seem a bit ignorant too be honest. What do you expect to find on Eden Prime and second what do you expect to learn about the Protheans?

The Protheans were a race who lived 50.000 years ago, they didn't build the mass relays and they didn't buld the citadel, their technology was mostly based of things left behind from other races in other cycles, they were the last victims of the Reapers, they got attacked 50.000 years ago but because of problems harvesting them they were repurposed as collectors and finally in ME2 they got wiped out by Shepard.

What else do you need to know about the Protheans?

The Protheans story really becomes insignificant after your conversations with Sovereign and Vigil.  And, if I was a betting man, I would think that this Prothean is treated like Liara was in ME2.  He's still regardless and you can interact with him, but with the DLC you can add him as a squad member.

That's beside the point. He said that he wanted to know more about the Protheans, we know everything we need to know which is significant to the story. Everything else is detail which might or might not have any significance to the story depending on what the writers do with it. It could be the Prothean starts yapping about childhood memories (like Zaeed), is that still significant then? Like I said people like to think it's significant and people like to expect the Prothean is going to reveal something big they're going to mis out on by not having this DLC while infact there is nothing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT all which even indicates such a thing.

[MonkeySeeker]

LonnyG wrote...

Is there maybe anybody that thinks that there is maybe a little change that the prothean is already in the game but that he only becomes a squadmember with a mission if you have the DLC???

I have seen this mentioned a few times.

Like here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/8006985/175#9436591

Jessica Merizan neither confirmed or denied but said it may be on the right train of thought.

Modifié par MonkeySeeker, 24 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[Daywalker315]

Lorfean wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Lorfean wrote...

I don't expect to be "showered with gifts" at all, but I expect BioWare to understand that denying players a squad member because they chose to buy the standard version of the game instead of one of the fancy pimped up versions is a stupid-ass move. I don't care if CE buyers get extra weapons, hoodies, dogs that follow them around... I could even accept a side mission or two of some kind, but squad members are an integral part of the game and this guy is extremely interesting lore-wise and his mission has great nostalgic potential for any longtime fan of the series. *That* is what I have a problem with. Everything considered, the content sounds like it definitely *should* be part of the full experience, but it isn't.

 

^   He gets it...

^No he doesn't, and neither do you. He said "denying players a squad member". Wrong. No one is denying anybody anything. You can buy it as DLC. That is not being denied something. That is just being asked to pay extra for extra content that is non-essential to the main story of ME3, which is killing reapers, not "learning more about the guys who died out 50,000 years ago".

Squad members directly effect any player's overall experience of the game -- whether their mission is essential or non-essential to the main story is irrelevant. An extra squad member provides the player with unique options that last the entirety of the game and every player, regardless of which version of the game the choose to buy, should have the same options when it comes to squad members.

Sure, it provides additional options. However, were you crying "everyone should get all squadmates" when Kasumi was released as DLC? Or were her "unique options" just not unique enough for everyone to need? Don't use the "everyone should get all the squad members" line when it's clear you only care because it's a Prothean. Try again.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 03:10 .

[heart again]

Rdubs wrote...

heart again wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

  The DLC character I was expecting was basically Zaeed 2.0, who I would ignore.  Or maybe another romance option - I certainly wasn't expecting a prothean.  

How is such an assumption a valid point at all?

Go back and read the original question and my full answer.  Your snip is out of context.  Seriously.

It took you that long to come up with that?  No, I've been keeping up with this thread and I don't see you countering points, I see you telling me to go back.

[Lenimph]

The PLC wrote...

Is the DLC free yet?

No and it won't ever be because CE owners already paid their hard earned cash for it and if such a thing should happen. 

Lawyers. 

Deal with it. 

[LonnyG]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

LonnyG wrote...

Is there maybe anybody that thinks that there is maybe a little change that the prothean is already in the game but that he only becomes a squadmember with a mission if you have the DLC???

I do, infact I pitched it yesterday in this thread but nobody cared.

i really think he is in it. bioware knows how important he is so..

[OdanUrr]

The PLC wrote...

Is the DLC free yet?

Nice one.

[GnusmasTHX]

LonnyG wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

LonnyG wrote...

Is there maybe anybody that thinks that there is maybe a little change that the prothean is already in the game but that he only becomes a squadmember with a mission if you have the DLC???

I do, infact I pitched it yesterday in this thread but nobody cared.

i really think he is in it. bioware knows how important he is so..

He might be in it in the sense that Grunt was in ME2 without opening his tube. In that, all you see is a sleeping beauty Prothean, and with the DLC you can give him a smooch, to wake him up. 

[nitefyre410]

The PLC wrote...

Seriously, if the Prothean is actually in the game even without the DLC (but not as a squadmate) all the ****ing would stop. Bioware! Answer this!

 

Oh that would make it alot worst... some much worst matter of fact... I hope its not true.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[Daywalker315]

kongenial wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

mornegroth wrote...

I didn't read all the pages in this thread but I'll throw my two cents anyway.

The problem with this DLC is not that it costs 10 bucks, or that it's available on day-one. The problem of this DLC is the content and the way it manages said content. It's a ****ing prothean, as a squadmate. What the hell is going on? This is major! This is something that never happened before... Something that EVERYONE should have access for.

It's as if Bioware had Legion cut from Mass Effect 2 and released it as DLC on day-one, charging money for it. It's a geth, a friendly geth, something never seen before, everyone should have acess to Legion, and everyone had. With the prothean however it's worse, we're talking about a member of a species that is supposed to be extint, it is a trivial piece to the Mass Effect lore. It's not the same as a Zaeed or a Kasumi and it shouldn't be handled as such.

Holy crap Mornegroth you just summed up everything myself and all the people pissed at this have been trying to convey in two bite-sized paragraphs.  Bravo.  +1

Count me in too +1

The fact that you think "holy crap it's a Prothean squadmate" doesn't mean he's important or essential to the main story of ME3, killing reapers, not "find out more about the dead civilization". You don't gather war assets to get Prothy to tell you a little more detail about his people. You gather them to kill those mechanical a-holes invading your galaxy.

In fact, BioWare is counting on that response of people finding it important to them to know more about the lore of the Protheans. Those who want that info can pay for it or watch it on YouTube a couple days after launch. That still doesn't mean he's important to the main plot or will change the narrative of the main story in any way.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 03:15 .