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[MissOuJ]

BaronIveagh wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

In all fairness, he apparently had a bigger role in the earlier drafts and was later dropped, and then (probably) picked up again by the guys working on the DLCs. Still doesn't make him "essential part of the core game", tho.

BTW, here's an interesting post on the Escapist by a developer who's familiar with the industry. It's a really interesting read, and explains a bit how DLC works. It's old, but still topical.

The problem is that's how it used to work, not how it works anymore.  I know the company I work atm for is watching this very closely, with plans to start making things like the endings of their games DLC if EA can get away with this.

Umm... no? Since the Prothean is an extra squadmate and not the magical space Deus Ex Machina that is required to complete the game. A truly incomplete game wouldn't pass certification, and ME3 went gold like a week ago. This is extra. I paid extra to get it, and for other people to get it for free seems a bit unfair to me. Sure, if I get a €10 refund and everyone bying the game new suddenly get it for free, then it'd be fine.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 février 2012 - 04:20 .

[rainasa]

nitefyre410 wrote...


I'm done argueing over whats  free , not free, whats extra content or not extra content...  Bioware can  say a playable squadmate is some Extra content/Collectors Edition content  that  can be pushed  as day 1 Paid dlc all they want.- well with in their right.  My right as consumer is not to buy into line of nonsense... You  right I don't don't deserve for it  free but  I don';t have give them money because they feel my fandom out weights my sense as consumer. So as I stated... Used  Bioware games for me hear out or they get the  either no profit or  the least possilbe.  


Now - what I was talking about is  how they have handled the whole situation ... So back to what I said... Either do do want YOU said and cut it completely.    Or they do what Capcom did  Offer the CE buyers then SAME EXACT  DEAL ... and release at month later.   Some people would flip out ...some would raise eyebrow, some would even ask question and do some digging... but by that time  most people have moved... and the deed is done.

From ashes is never going to "be free". capcom released content that was actually made for the original game as part of the CE, then released it to the SE later.

What bioware is doing is releasing content that was made by their DLC team after ME3 went into certification as part of the CE bundle and available to everyone as DLC, there is a very large difference between the two.

[Blarty]

Evilelf007 wrote...

What did Kasumi and her mission add? Did you miss all of the astonishing stolen objects in that vault? That's some serious lore about the ME universe!

Zaeed was basically an origin story of one of the largest crime syndicates in the galaxy...

Yeah, they didn't provide any ME lore at all...

^ This, and you know who moves in when Governments and society collapses....

[Relix28]

Just my 2 cents.

Developing content "after the main game is complete" doesn't justify charging extra money from people on launch day, especially if they pre-order it or buy a new copy on release day/week. I was fine with the way Zaeed was handled in ME2. Buy any version of the game new, and you get it for "free" along with some other free stuff that was released later on, via Cerberus Network.
This crap now is such a blatant milking move, that it's quite frankly disgusting. It's wrong, period. And if we, the consumers allow this filthy business model to flourish, it will not stop and only get worse from here on out. I'm willing to bet that in couple of years time, we will have to pay full retail price for the ingame menus and 3-4 one hour missions, while the rest (aka the full game) will be sold to us as "extras" for an additional $60 or so. I wonder what their excuse will be then.
This has got to stop, plain and simple.

[Gruzmog]

rainasa wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Here we have the crux of the issue.  Fans of the series would consider "learning more about the guys who died out 50,000 years ago" to be a CRITICAL part of the lore and story.  I can see why people who only got into it with the PS3 might think otherwise.  But there should be a rule, if you didn't play the original ME, don't chime in on Prothean content being an integral part of the story.

and the prothean's stoped being actually relevent at the end of ME1 as well, they where thrown into 2 just to make a cameo and to prove the point of how big and mean the repears are. you do not deserve extra and optional content to be free because you are throwing a temper tantrum.

From the perspective of a certain type of gamer yes. For people with a real interest in the background and the universe no. They are screwing over a big part of the player base if all prothean content is in the DLC.

However if there are live protheans with sufficient backstory and story relevance in the main game aswell all my complaints will be washed away and this is infact just a bonus. Gess we will have to see

[rainasa]

The PLC wrote...

@BioEvilChris I heard rumors we might get some new info on the From Ashes DLC later today. Is that true?

@Person_Dude Not that I've heard. So one of us is out of the loop. I hope it's me.

yes today was when bioware was actually going to offically announce the DLC (why  they choose this late is beyond me).

[Rdubs]

Daywalker315 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

In that case, I think the law should be changed and we should have the legal right to brutally murder the nay sayers in this thread, prefferably with a rusty saw.

Motion seconded. Seriously nite, stop making stuff up. It's been ANNOUNCED DLC for 9 months, and planned for who knows how much longer than that. They were never trying to get it done to be put on the disc and never said anything to indicate that.

No, AN extra squadmate was announced as part of the DLC.  The only way to know it might be a Prothean would be to follow 1) the forums, more specifically 2) forums containing spoilers.  Otherwise you fall into the camp with me of Man I'm sure glad I ordered the CE, looks like wanting to laugh at the robot dog just scored me a prothean.

[nitefyre410]

rainasa wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


I'm done argueing over whats  free , not free, whats extra content or not extra content...  Bioware can  say a playable squadmate is some Extra content/Collectors Edition content  that  can be pushed  as day 1 Paid dlc all they want.- well with in their right.  My right as consumer is not to buy into line of nonsense... You  right I don't don't deserve for it  free but  I don';t have give them money because they feel my fandom out weights my sense as consumer. So as I stated... Used  Bioware games for me hear out or they get the  either no profit or  the least possilbe.  


Now - what I was talking about is  how they have handled the whole situation ... So back to what I said... Either do do want YOU said and cut it completely.    Or they do what Capcom did  Offer the CE buyers then SAME EXACT  DEAL ... and release at month later.   Some people would flip out ...some would raise eyebrow, some would even ask question and do some digging... but by that time  most people have moved... and the deed is done.

From ashes is never going to "be free". capcom released content that was actually made for the original game as part of the CE, then released it to the SE later.

What bioware is doing is releasing content that was made by their DLC team after ME3 went into certification as part of the CE bundle and available to everyone as DLC, there is a very large difference between the two.

 

So Bioware spent the time, money and extra mans  hours to make and exclusive mission back and DLC  that was never intended to be for public use...

Okay... seems legit.

[rainasa]

Gruzmog wrote...

From the perspective of a certain type of gamer yes. For people with a real interest in the background and the universe no. They are screwing over a big part of the player base if all prothean content is in the DLC.

However if there are live protheans with sufficient backstory and story relevance in the main game aswell all my complaints will be washed away and this is infact just a bonus. Gess we will have to see

ok, im going to ignore you not calling me a lore buff,
the dev's have already said that everything you learn from javick is already in the game from other people or the codex
he also have no large impact on the story, or is required to fully understand the lore of ME3

[BaronIveagh]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Your company is missing the point then, and will never get away with that because that is something integral to the story. This DLC, the jury is still out, but once you tamper with the storyline of a game by locking out endings and beginnings, that is not worth a buy.

Yeah they will. They just have to do it incrementally. You get a slightly different, better, ending with DLC, then you remove endings entirely other then DLC. You lead off each increment with a big name game so that while there's ****ing about it, there's enough sales that it pays anyway, and eventually gamers will just accept it as normal.

MageCeridan wrote...
Actually, those EULA clauses would be unenforcable(hell it would be illegal, exept in the US where the EULA = LAW).

Yes, but a lot of these idiots live in the US, so... how was my point incorrect? Since there, they could enforce most of it.

[eoinnx02]

Any news on the trailer?

Modifié par eoinnx02, 24 février 2012 - 04:12 .

[obie191970]

spectralpulse wrote...

I woulden't be so irritated if i could still order the CE. After ME3 Bioware has nothing on the horizon i'm interested in. Looks like this might be the end of the line for Bioware and me.

Think of it as saving $10.  The other extras are nothing special anyway.

[MissOuJ]

woods26 wrote...

I doubt that. Everyone on the internet is a doctor, game dev, actor, etc. Nice try though.

ATM, he has had much more insightful view on the issue than any of the EA/BioWare conspiracy-theorists that I've seen in this thead.

Also, check his profile and do a quick Google seatch. I think he's legit.

Edit I know how to spell, I swear...

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 février 2012 - 04:16 .

[Gruzmog]

From ashes is never going to "be free". capcom released content that was actually made for the original game as part of the CE, then released it to the SE later.

What bioware is doing is releasing content that was made by their DLC team after ME3 went into certification as part of the CE bundle and available to everyone as DLC, there is a very large difference between the two.

What team developped it is entirely irrelevant when the question is should it be part of the main game. As I said before it depends on the content of the main game wether this is right or wrong but they could have just as easily let the "DLC team" make the contecnt like the way they did it for ME2 with Zaeed.

[rainasa]

nitefyre410 wrote...

So Bioware spent the time, money and extra mans  hours to make and exclusive mission back and DLC  that was never intended to be for public use...

Okay... seems legit.

for the love of all that is holy, do you know how the certification process works???
once a game begins it, it CANNOT be altered in any way. it was druing the time the DLC TEAM started to work on *gasp* DLC!!! this is not hard to understand, it was made to be extra for CE owners and people who bought the DLC, it was NEVER meant to be in the actual ME3 game.

[Candidate 88766]

spectralpulse wrote...

I woulden't be so irritated if i could still order the CE. After ME3 Bioware has nothing on the horizon i'm interested in. Looks like this might be the end of the line for Bioware and me.

I'm personally really looking forward to Generals 2. Generals was the last good C&C game imo, and I prefer it to Red Alert 2. While its basically the same team that made the awful recent ones, I'm hoping that Bioware's influence will lead to Generals 2 being worthy of the C&C franchise.

[GnusmasTHX]

eoinnx02 wrote...

Any news on the trailer?

Not yet, my love.

[Gruzmog]

rainasa wrote...

Gruzmog wrote...

From the perspective of a certain type of gamer yes. For people with a real interest in the background and the universe no. They are screwing over a big part of the player base if all prothean content is in the DLC.

However if there are live protheans with sufficient backstory and story relevance in the main game aswell all my complaints will be washed away and this is infact just a bonus. Gess we will have to see

ok, im going to ignore you not calling me a lore buff,
the dev's have already said that everything you learn from javick is already in the game from other people or the codex
he also have no large impact on the story, or is required to fully understand the lore of ME3

Unless those other people are other live protheans the fact that there are live protheans is still too big just for DLC

[Rdubs]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Mobius 1 wrote...

since we always got the previous game enemy race as squadmember, i assume the reaper squad member in ME4 :V

anyway its kinda sick that you got suo much lore confined in a dlc, we are talking about an ancient civilization extinct by 50'000 years, it would make more sense to be studied, interrogated and examinated rather than hang around with shep as defender of the galaxy...

It's been danced around by BioWare reps because they're waiting to reveal and don't want spoilers that could hurt DLC sales but basically it's understood (by those who aren't blinded by rage) that the lore and info regarding the Protheans will come out one way or another whether you have the DLC or not. There will be other avenues of obtaining the information.

It's not about the information.  It's about the experience.
Someone made the point that so many points get repeated because the posts are coming so fast that no one reads prior ones.  I'm starting to see that.

[rainasa]

Gruzmog wrote...

Unless those other people are other live protheans the fact that there are live protheans is still too big just for DLC

that is an opinion, one I somewhat share yes, but he is OPTIONAL, it doesnt matter how interesting he is, he is EXTRA content made for long time fans of the series, and bioware has no reason to make it free because YOU feel javick is manditory.

[Rdubs]

Daywalker315 wrote...

MageCeridan wrote...

Rdubs wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

I have an amazing idea. Perhaps all you people with CE's having a crisis of faith because you are getting something that you paid for that SE owners don't want to pay for should GIVE AWAY YOUR DLC CODE to someone else who has 'only' ordered the SE.

Right, because everyone who ordered the collector's edition KNEW that they would be getting the Prothean and didn't just find that out a couple days ago.

We knew that we where getting a DLC character + mission as part of the deal. We had no info on what race/gender the character was. I assumed it was something like Zaeed but then again, I bought the DDE because of the music mostly, not because of that DLC.

I still want the stuff I am entitled to because I do pay 20$ more for that DDE.

In fairness Rdubs, a lot of us didn't just find out a couple days ago. There was a leak about it 9 months ago and they changed the wording but anyone with common sense that saw that initial post expected it would be a Prothean. Not everyone, obviously, but far more than a few expected it for quite a while. Some even ordered the CE after obtaining that knowledge that it was most likely a Prothean. Just food for thought.

Again, to know that you'd have to be fairly involved with the forums, especially with the spoiler ones.  That's a pretty high condition to meet to make sure you set yourself up for the right experience and I don't think it's one that any company would expect of their customers.  Not everyone saw that initial post.

EDIT: But Daywalker I commend you for your very professionally / kindly worded post, even though I do not agree with it I enjoy your civil tone.  This is a really heated topic and nastiness is flying everywhere.

Modifié par Rdubs, 24 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[Sylvianus]

Those who are happy about that, because you've got your CE edition, you are ridiculous and pathetic. I have got mine, and I can understand why people are upset. The prothean should be in the game, compared to the Mass effect's story.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 24 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Sylvianus wrote...

Those who are happy about that, because you've got your CE edition, you are ridiculous. I have got mine, and I can understand why people are upset.

Run it down for me.

They're upset because they can buy the same thing we bought?