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[rumbalumba]

 
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Modifié par rumbalumba, 23 février 2012 - 12:28 .

[Muklol]

I have loved Bioware games for over 14 years but now I decided to boycott anything related to EA so I'm kinda sad about how Bioware turned out =(

Any content that is finished before release should be included in the game.

If this continues and everyone accepts it then in 5 years we will get a beginning and an ending but have to pay for everything else as DLC and it will be too late to change then.

Everyone has a right to do what they want but think really hard before you buy this game because if you keep supporting things like these you will screw yourself over in the future.

Modifié par Muklol, 23 février 2012 - 12:28 .

[Paragon Auducan]

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

No one cares that you get extra stuff. Thats what DLC is all about. But people actually care that the stuff you get is actually a HUGE thing in the Mass Effect Universe.

That is being treated with the same importance as Kasumi and Zaeed.  You don't see people complaining that they had to pay for Kasumi, even though she has "VITAL ALLIANCE SECRETS OMG," which could be a HUGE thing in the ME Universe.  People are feeling entitled to things they were never promised, and it's obnoxious.  

Except that the protheans are  a HUGE deal to the whole ME universe. They are the reason why shepard is the man he actually is.

And you're assuming, for that reason alone, that the Prothean is of huge importance to ME3?

Forgive me for not making that completely baseless leap of logic.

Why on earth would they bring back something thought long dead if it wasn't important.

[felipejiraya]

For real, if this was another Zaeed (which I think the prothean will be) the whining would be non existent.

[Tazzmission]

nevar00 wrote...

Hm, I thought I posted this before but I guess not.

The way I see it, there are really only two outcomes here:

1. As the team has commented, the Prothean is not an integral part of the story and adds such little to the lore and plot of the game that releasing it for day 1 DLC is justified. If this is the case, then I would question the writers and game designers who thought that making a living Prothean non-essential to the whole game's experience was the right decision to make..

id like to see evidence of that claim otherwise im not gona take it seriously

[nightlordv]

I just saw the TB video about this DLC and I have to admit this is just in bad taste on Bioware/Ea's part, but then I am not surprised.

Why are people basically being rewarded for buying the more expensive CE. I don't want the CE, I don't want to spend 80 bucks for it, so I am being penalized for buying the standard edition for an already inflated 60 bucks?

Not only that, but this DLC involves a character that is basically integral for any ME fan to WANT to have. Its a frickin' PROTHEAN the whole basis of this game has been about them and their connection to Shepherd from the very start in ME 1. Of course i want this DLC just because of that fact alone, its a Prothean squad mate how cool is that?

But no, because I bought the standard addition I have to shell out another 10 bucks on launch to get access to this DLC and character? This utter fail Bioware/EA

I am considering canceling my pre-order now. Thanks a lot.

[Major Alenko]

Yeah I get the frustration, but what do you expect bioware to do? you give it to everyone for free that totally undermines the people who brought the N7 Edition. But then again I'm still confused to why this is part of the N7 Edition to begin with. It's not like it was a incentive to get the N7 Edition, people really needed no incentive to get it, and it's been planned as the DLC for it from the beginning. It just seems odd. Maybe it's just poor judgement.

[nevar00]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

So where's the cut-off then?  1 week?  2 weeks?  A month?  2 months?  When it is acceptable to start releasing DLC?

Also, think about what you're saying.  From Ashes was obviously finished AFTER the game went through final certification, at which point they're done with the game.  Would you rather they hold off on releasing him?  Or release him on Day 1 so folks can enjoy him.

Your "All or nothing" view doesn't quite hold up under pressure, you know.

Yeah about that... bull****.

1. These guys have lied or "stretched the truth" before.

2.  You're telling me a Prothean isn't going to add enough to the lore and story of the game to warrant being on the original disc and not just DLC.  This just blows my mind.  Either the Bioware writing crew suddenly became incredibly incompetent or they're ripping people off by selling a game with a large chunk of it seperate and for another $10.

[Sidac]

gabe2gg wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

We got 3 type of people here:
1- People crying because it's a dlc and it's a Protheans SO IT MUST BE IMPORTANT (in their mind)
2- People crying that it should not be a DLC but in the game
3- People who lol at #1 and 2

You on EAware's payroll or what?

This is Day 1 DLC that should and can be easily included on the regular disk. What happened to the good old days when companies would wait a number of months to release good and lengthy content? Either your a blind fanboy who thinks everything is fine since EA bought Bioware or your just trolling. I thought the toys/artbook DLC was bad but this takes it to a whole new level.

as i said beofre,

companies have these things called deadlines. They have to get the main product done by a certain date. After that while the game is being copied, printed, and shipped, they can make more stuff. The sheer fact that that it was completed before the launch date, is sort of besides the point.

I bought the SE and I gotta say, its just another zaeed / kasumi gimmick that i wont fall for a 2nd time.

[rumbalumba]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Why on earth would they bring back something thought long dead if it wasn't important.

for teh lulz.


i mean, for the potential 1 million players who might buy this for $10 each. damn, that's hundreds of times more than what it cost them to do this DLC.

[graciegrace]

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

No one cares that you get extra stuff. Thats what DLC is all about. But people actually care that the stuff you get is actually a HUGE thing in the Mass Effect Universe.

That is being treated with the same importance as Kasumi and Zaeed.  You don't see people complaining that they had to pay for Kasumi, even though she has "VITAL ALLIANCE SECRETS OMG," which could be a HUGE thing in the ME Universe.  People are feeling entitled to things they were never promised, and it's obnoxious.  

Except that the protheans are  a HUGE deal to the whole ME universe. They are the reason why shepard is the man he actually is.

And you're assuming, for that reason alone, that the Prothean is of huge importance to ME3?

Forgive me for not making that completely baseless leap of logic.

Do you even know who the protheans are?

I've played Mass Effect seven times.  I'm very aware of who the Protheans are.  The existence of one doesn't automatically make it the most important thing ever.  Bioware certainly doesn't think so, or else they would have put him in the game.  Just being a Prothean doesn't automatically give him all the answers.  If it turns out to be a scientist from Ilos, then I'll feel a bit more ripped off that he's DLC, but as it stands now, there's no real reason to assume he's anything special other than just by the fact of being alive.

[Darji]

Commodore Q wrote...

Yeah I get the frustration, but what do you expect bioware to do? you give it to everyone for free that totally undermines the people who brought the N7 Edition. But then again I'm still confused to why this is part of the N7 Edition to begin with. It's not like it was a incentive to get the N7 Edition, people really needed no incentive to get it, and it's been planned as the DLC for it from the beginning. It just seems odd. Maybe it's just poor judgement.

How about do it with a character or race that is not essential to the ME universe?

[1Nosphorus1]

Man this reminds me of Horse Armour, although not quite as bad (Content was included on disc) however Bioware had the opportunity when we had found out ages ago that this was included in the collectors edition, way before the game had even gone gold or went for certification.

Even though I have the collectors edition on pre-order, I feel that it's still a kick in the teeth for the rest of you since we can only expect this standard (as did horse armour) to become paramount in the future.

[V1per7]

 yes.

charge us $60 and make us pay an extra $10 for something that should have bene included. disgusting.

[Yuoaman]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

So where's the cut-off then?  1 week?  2 weeks?  A month?  2 months?  When it is acceptable to start releasing DLC?

Also, think about what you're saying.  From Ashes was obviously finished AFTER the game went through final certification, at which point they're done with the game.  Would you rather they hold off on releasing him?  Or release him on Day 1 so folks can enjoy him.

Your "All or nothing" view doesn't quite hold up under pressure, you know.

They should have released him like they did Zaeed - free for new copies, but people buying used have to buy an online pass. And Zaeed was NOWHERE near as important to the Mass Effect mythos as the Prothean is.

But they can't do that now because they gave this to CE owner who paid money to get character and additional mission. Your argument is invalid.

I for one didn't pre-order the CE for the freaking DLC, I knew that everyone would eventually get it, I pre-ordered it because I wanted to support Bioware and my favorite video game series.

Again, punishing people purchasing used games (like ME2 did) isn't great but it's understandable. ME3, on the other hand, is just punishing people who didn't buy a specific edition because they want an extra $10 out of you. I mean, come the **** on guys.

[titoarc]

Chris Priestly wrote...

iRAWRasaurusREX wrote...

Does "From Ashes" come with the CE?

Yes.

good to know , i was afraid of having to buy the full dlc for a part of its content beacouse i preorder the CE

[nevar00]

Tazzmission wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Hm, I thought I posted this before but I guess not.

The way I see it, there are really only two outcomes here:

1. As the team has commented, the Prothean is not an integral part of the story and adds such little to the lore and plot of the game that releasing it for day 1 DLC is justified. If this is the case, then I would question the writers and game designers who thought that making a living Prothean non-essential to the whole game's experience was the right decision to make..

id like to see evidence of that claim otherwise im not gona take it seriously

It's not the claim I'm making, it's what they're using to justify selling this guy as DLC, because he's not "essential to completing the game".  Rubbish. 

[RiouHotaru]

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

So where's the cut-off then?  1 week?  2 weeks?  A month?  2 months?  When it is acceptable to start releasing DLC?

Also, think about what you're saying.  From Ashes was obviously finished AFTER the game went through final certification, at which point they're done with the game.  Would you rather they hold off on releasing him?  Or release him on Day 1 so folks can enjoy him.

Your "All or nothing" view doesn't quite hold up under pressure, you know.

A month seems reasonable, in my honest opinion. Think about how Zaeed was handled, friend, this is not a new concept.

Actually, you have it wrong.  Zaeed and the Normandy crash-site were available for those who bought the game new...but what about those who didn't?

What about folks who bought the game used?  Do you know what they had to pay to activate the Cerberus Network to get Zaeed and the Crash Site?

...$20 bucks.

That's right, they paid 20 bucks for "free" DLC.

CE buyers are paying about $80 bucks for the all the goodies + Prothean + complete game

You're paying $70 bucks for complete game + Prothean

The complete game?  By itself?  $60

We're all paying for the DLC, regardless of the manner of it's release.

[graciegrace]

nightlordv wrote...
Why are people basically being rewarded for buying the more expensive CE. I don't want the CE, I don't want to spend 80 bucks for it, so I am being penalized for buying the standard edition for an already inflated 60 bucks?

Yes.  If it's exclusive content, and you choose not to buy it, then you have absolutely no reason to feel entitled to it.  Because you're not.  It's completely unfair that CE buyers would spend 20 extra bucks for content that the game was giving away for free anyway.  If you don't want it, that's fine, but don't whine that you don't get the exclusive content for free with your SE.

Modifié par graciegrace, 23 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[titoarc]

V1per7 wrote...

 yes.

charge us $60 and make us pay an extra $10 for something that should have bene included. disgusting.

you are getting part of the CE bonus for $10 , and the CE is about $20 more expensive so .. .

[V1per7]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Darji wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

No one cares that you get extra stuff. Thats what DLC is all about. But people actually care that the stuff you get is actually a HUGE thing in the Mass Effect Universe.

That is being treated with the same importance as Kasumi and Zaeed.  You don't see people complaining that they had to pay for Kasumi, even though she has "VITAL ALLIANCE SECRETS OMG," which could be a HUGE thing in the ME Universe.  People are feeling entitled to things they were never promised, and it's obnoxious.  

Except that the protheans are  a HUGE deal to the whole ME universe. They are the reason why shepard is the man he actually is.

And you're assuming, for that reason alone, that the Prothean is of huge importance to ME3?

Forgive me for not making that completely baseless leap of logic.

Why on earth would they bring back something thought long dead if it wasn't important.

Because Protheans aren't that much important. So far they did not offer us a mean to beat the Reaper. They only gave us a fair warning and a chance to be prepare. Shepard will still have to rally all the species to fight them back.

Protheans arent that important!?!? wha....huh...??? WHAT!?!?!?

idk if you played the previous mass effect but Protheans is the ANCIENT race that always been hinted and ITS NOT IMPORTANT?

ITS ANCIENT LOL:o

[Farbautisonn]

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 23 février 2012 - 12:34 .