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[Yuoaman]

MageCeridan wrote...
Mostly because I am tired of repeating myself.

They are probably using an iterative development model, so their development cycle is not stricly : Analysis => Design => Conception => QA => Release, but more Analysis => Analysis + Design => 
Analysis + Design +Conception, etc..
Aka: Iterative permits parrallel work and tus allow things like, a team starting work on the DLC while the rest finishes up the main game and send it to Certificaiton.

Oh, yea. I am not a game developper(not part of any compagny that design games) but I am a Software engineering student and I do understand how software development works. Please come to me when you can prove that the Prothean was cut from the finished product to make the DLC (instead of infering something that happened back in Iteration 1 of the software...)

I'm a game design adn I know this is true, I don't know how iteration-based Bioware's methodology is, but it isn't a strict waterfall like software, and game, development used to be. The Prothean was still planned early on, and could have easily been included in the core game without too much effort.

[GnusmasTHX]

Just FYI, first person to post on Page 300 gets some sort of prize.

[Squallypo]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Page 300 here we come!

Choo choo!

problem? is not like your forced to stay here either just saying.. 

[Niemack Saarinen]

JJDrakken wrote...

pretending to quote some kind of biblical scripture or whatever at me, doesn't change my mind.  I don't care about the Multiplayer on ME3, Since previous 2 games where SRPGs, I'll stick to that.  If I want Multi, I'll hop over to my SWTOR account, continue leading like 5 different Ops groups our guild has going on.


JJ

To bad, the game ships with multiplayer.


NS



PS. i thought you left? guess not, welcome back  <3

[GuyIncognito21]

mogonk wrote...
Well, it seems like an attempt to mislead us, doesn' it?  I mean, why emphasize that it was a "separate team" if not to try to indicate that the same people were not involved? 

If they just changed the title of the team and it was mainly the same "content creators" that Hudson referred to, why would Gamble bother to tell us that it was a different team?

Agreed, the fact that they tried to separate out the processes and then tell everyone about it just goes to show that they understood the controversial nature of what they were trying to do.

That makes it very hard to believe that they're remotely surprised at the immense backlash they caused.  They knew exactly what they were doing, and they knew exactly how it would be received.  They're just banking on the fact that they'll make more money in sold cut content DLC than they'll lose from canceled orders.

And unfortunately they're probably right about that, at least in the short term.  But there's a premium on reputation in this business, and Bioware is playing a very dangerous game by leveraging their reputation for a quick buck.

[Rdubs]

To all: Just as a point of reference, here is what the DLC description when you go to download it from xbox live says:

Mass Effect: From Ashes
Unearth lost secrets from the past and recruit the Prothean squad member in Mass Effect 3.

There you have it. Just the "unearthing lost secrets" part should cover - in my opinion - having that included in the base game. I care less about the Prothean squaddie than adding to what, in the past, has CONSTANTLY been lore included with the base games.

[rainasa]

mogonk wrote...

Well, it seems like an attempt to mislead us, doesn' it?  I mean, why emphasize that it was a "separate team" if not to try to indicate that the same people were not involved? 

If they just changed the title of the team and it was mainly the same "content creators" that Hudson referred to, why would Gamble bother to tell us that it was a different team?

Hmmm?

they did that to show that this was developed after the main game was done, and going through certification and that is was always planned to be dlc. 
you know, so they wouldnt have to deal  with the "day one DLC???? this should be part of the game!!! BIOWARE,  Y U DO THIS????

Modifié par rainasa, 24 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[obie191970]

mogonk wrote...

rainasa wrote...

they are diffrent teams but it would be beyond silly from not to include the same people, things like concept artists, voice actors, progamers, writers, and the people who create the models are NEEDED, i mean really, this argument is so stupid, there are many legitimate complaints about from ashes that i can understand (but disagree with), but this is SO  not one of them.

Well, it seems like an attempt to mislead us, doesn' it?  I mean, why emphasize that it was a "separate team" if not to try to indicate that the same people were not involved? 

If they just changed the title of the team and it was mainly the same "content creators" that Hudson referred to, why would Gamble bother to tell us that it was a different team?

Hmmm?

Logic would dictate it was a much smaller team than the one who worked on the main game.  However, the people on this smaller team also worked on the main game.  I.E. Different team.  Either way, you're arguing semantics.

[Blarty]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Just FYI, first person to post on Page 300 gets some sort of prize.

Do I get the 'From Ashes' DLC free?

[JJDrakken]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...

pretending to quote some kind of biblical scripture or whatever at me, doesn't change my mind.  I don't care about the Multiplayer on ME3, Since previous 2 games where SRPGs, I'll stick to that.  If I want Multi, I'll hop over to my SWTOR account, continue leading like 5 different Ops groups our guild has going on.


JJ

To bad, the game ships with multiplayer.


NS



PS. i thought you left? guess not, welcome back  <3

Never said I was leaving, I just am not purchasing ME3 as of now or for a very long time if ever.  Which saddens me, because I was highly looking foward to it, but I don't agree with Origins requirement & the this Day 1 DLC.  I fell for that trick with DA2, don't get me started about DA2.  Doesn't change fact I am here to read over opinions of others & voice mine if I feel the need too.


JJ

[GnusmasTHX]

Squallypo wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Page 300 here we come!

Choo choo!

problem? is not like your forced to stay here either just saying.. 

No problem. Just making sure everyone knows we're heading for a thread milestone.

[ReaperDominator]

hey new to the forums just wanted to share my opinion the way i see it the dlc was created with the intention of being a bonus for CE owners...surely the fact that bioware are making the dlc available to those who missed out on the CE is a good thing, im willing to bet players would be faaaaaar angrier if from ashes was a CE only DLC meaning those with the SE would miss out on the prothean altogether. If your really that angry about something thats only worth 800msp then dont buy it?....CE owners are being charged for the extra content along with other stuff its only fair that SE players pay for the content too?? thanks

[Kreauchee]

Goth Skunk wrote...

First, you are wrong.

Content is not being broken off. It's being added on.

Second, I'm glad that the majority of people do not see eye to eye with you in terms of DLC. I want it to continue, and I think it's a great idea, especially if it's kept optional. This is called progress. What you cling to is stagnation.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. In days before DLC, day-1 DLC would have likely caused a slight delay in release and would have been included in the game because the game in it's entirety would have been reviewed and judged based on it's state at release.

The same trend can be noticed with bugs. Most games are released with bugs these days because the game companies know thay they can just patch any problems later and don't need to spend precious developement time testing and nit-picking every last bug. It's not the biggest deal but I remember when games were released complete and fully tested. It's just the norm now to accept bugs if you buy the game at release.

Now, I also understand that games are much bigger now and more difficult to test fully due to the shear size of the worlds they create but just because I accept the fact that I am most likely buying a buggy game doesn't mean I have to like it  But I digress...

I dont think I cling to stagnation even though you are right and DLC is certainly progress. The problem we seem to be having here is that this feels, to many fans, as if they did break off a piece of essential lore/content and tack a price tag on it in order to milk the franchise a little bit harder.

I'm not so hardcore that I will miss it but many people apparently are and feel as though they are being taken advantage of due to their love for this trilogy and tthe story it tells. I don't think many of them had a problem with the DLC from ME2 but this......they see this as a piece of the game with profound effect on the story beign told, available upon release, but only if you pay a liiiiiittle bit more.

I may not be as passionate about it but I can certainly understand why they are a little miffed about. It's walking the line of nickle & dime tactics. I haven't decided whether or not this crosses it (and I honestly won't be able to form a reasonable opinion until the reviews come in) but it's very plausible that it's right on the edge. 

[GnusmasTHX]

Blarty wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Just FYI, first person to post on Page 300 gets some sort of prize.

Do I get the 'From Ashes' DLC free?

You can get the outfits and weapon for free, but that's $5 for the Prothean and his mission.

[Novate]

They started it with Movies, making a single movie into two parter so they can get more money.
Now its games, instead of two parters, they found that contents they create can be sold separately. Why make thousands of weapons when you can give 10 and sell the rest as extras.
Why make 5 squadmates, when you can give 3 and sell the other 2 as extras. ( since you can only have 2 at the same time anyways)
Why make 3 planets when you can just have 1 and sell the other two as extras.
This is the way we will be marketed to, and will there be an uproar of disgust and discontent.
I really don't believe so, even when this thread reaches 300 or 500, nothing will be changed, they will still do it. Because if you read through these 300 posts, over half is content with giving out more money for content, if Consumers is willing to buy, they will be willing to continue their practices. There is nothing stopping them for taking this forms of DLC to the next step. Episodic Content for all regular games.

[Squallypo]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Page 300 here we come!

Choo choo!

problem? is not like your forced to stay here either just saying.. 

No problem. Just making sure everyone knows we're heading for a thread milestone.

i dont mind we are actually Defending our rights here as consumers so im happy to be in this *war* of rightnessish 

[Yuoaman]

ReaperDominator wrote...

hey new to the forums just wanted to share my opinion the way i see it the dlc was created with the intention of being a bonus for CE owners...surely the fact that bioware are making the dlc available to those who missed out on the CE is a good thing, im willing to bet players would be faaaaaar angrier if from ashes was a CE only DLC meaning those with the SE would miss out on the prothean altogether. If your really that angry about something thats only worth 800msp then dont buy it?....CE owners are being charged for the extra content along with other stuff its only fair that SE players pay for the content too?? thanks

As a person who pre-ordered the CE I still think this piece of DLC should be part of every gamer's ME3 experience, whether the personal story of the Prothean is essential to the game's plot or not he is still a Prothean and that, in my mind, makes him essential to the lore of the universe.

[Rdubs]

Well it's been fun you all, be safe out there. All I have to say is if you're pissed, there is another way to send a message without depriving yourself of playing the game. Just do this:
1) At first, just rent the game from a service like Gamefly. They've already bought whatever copies they're going to buy.
2) Later on, as used copies start becoming available, buy a used copy and pay the $10 to get the Prothy. That way you're only providing $10 directly to Bioware as opposed to $70 to them and their retailers.

[obie191970]

Rdubs wrote...

To all: Just as a point of reference, here is what the DLC description when you go to download it from xbox live says:

Mass Effect: From Ashes
Unearth lost secrets from the past and recruit the Prothean squad member in Mass Effect 3.

There you have it. Just the "unearthing lost secrets" part should cover - in my opinion - having that included in the base game. I care less about the Prothean squaddie than adding to what, in the past, has CONSTANTLY been lore included with the base games.

Really?  LotSB, Arrival and Overlord were pretty lore intensive.

[Blarty]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Blarty wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Just FYI, first person to post on Page 300 gets some sort of prize.

Do I get the 'From Ashes' DLC free?

You can get the outfits and weapon for free, but that's $5 for the Prothean and his mission.

Sounds like a deal breaker at this juncture.... 

[Niemack Saarinen]

Squallypo wrote...
i dont mind we are actually Defending our rights here as consumers so im happy to be in this *war* of rightnessish 

You mean righteousness? oh wait thats the side we're on, your on the side that doesnt know the meaning or the spelling of it.

[breadedpudding]

Squallypo wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Page 300 here we come!

Choo choo!

problem? is not like your forced to stay here either just saying.. 

No problem. Just making sure everyone knows we're heading for a thread milestone.

i dont mind we are actually Defending our rights here as consumers so im happy to be in this *war* of rightnessish 

So... if you're able to defend your rights (which you should be able to anyway), shouldn't the people who do support Bioware and the DLC be able to defend theirs (which they should be able to do as well)? 

[GuyIncognito21]

Rdubs wrote...

To all: Just as a point of reference, here is what the DLC description when you go to download it from xbox live says:

Mass Effect: From Ashes
Unearth lost secrets from the past and recruit the Prothean squad member in Mass Effect 3.

There you have it. Just the "unearthing lost secrets" part should cover - in my opinion - having that included in the base game. I care less about the Prothean squaddie than adding to what, in the past, has CONSTANTLY been lore included with the base games.

Agreed entirely.  Add that to the fact they explicitly claimed the content exists "as a reward for long-time fans" and it becomes impossible IMO to argue that long-time fans should have to pay extra for it.

How is that even a reward if we have to pay for it?

[joe1852]

http://www.youtube.c...v=IUrbMDt5t4A#!

[Yuoaman]

Rdubs wrote...

Well it's been fun you all, be safe out there. All I have to say is if you're pissed, there is another way to send a message without depriving yourself of playing the game. Just do this:
1) At first, just rent the game from a service like Gamefly. They've already bought whatever copies they're going to buy.
2) Later on, as used copies start becoming available, buy a used copy and pay the $10 to get the Prothy. That way you're only providing $10 directly to Bioware as opposed to $70 to them and their retailers.

Not really an option for us PC gamers - and I really don't want to screw Bioware out of money, I still appreciate the work they did. I just don't much care for this situation.