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[AkiKishi]

Blarty wrote...

And you're proud of the concept that what you are doing now and have done in the past is tantamount to holding the Bioware team to ransom and by calling out for Boycotts and pirating the game 'out of principle' has any more integrity.

That is the power of consumers. Bioware/EA are in the wrong here.

So far I've convinced a couple of people to rent rather than buy so EA/Bioware don't get any money.

"sailing the high seas" does not come under that of course.

[Mike Shepard]

MissOuJ wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

After all, they're asking us for our money, they aren't entitled to it.  If the integrity of their business practices doesn't matter to them, their bottom line certainly does.

Nor are you entitled to get content for free. You're not even entitled to games, period. They're luxury items you can choose to spend your money on if you wish, and claiming you're entitled to have DLC for free for a game you haven't even bought yet is pretty unreasonable, from where I'm standing.

This. Oh, my god, so much this.

[ArkkAngel007]

Robin001 wrote...

My experience:

I bought Witcher 2. I had so much fun and future dlcs for free. And now they release xbox version with bonus content and guess what. I will have it for free too. And not mentioned the fact that classic edition of the game (soundtrack game guide map, bonus content..) looks like CE from different studios. And Witcher is really really good game with great story, adult charakters based on books and famous graphics.

I bought Mass effect 3. I have read spoilers from the game, that are direct from Bioware. This spoilers ruined my game experience. I read that i will not have dlc with protean witch is core in mass effect universe. I look at normal edition of the game (only CD with some advertisment) and it looks like sh*t in comarission with Witcher 2 . I hear crapy excuse of developing dlc after the game,and i know that is not true because of dlcs content and text leaked mounts ago. 

Reaction :I cancel my preorder copy of ME3 and I am not alone. (saddly because i love ME unniverse). Really not alone.

This is stupid marketing model. Fans are sensitive and they dont like being lied and not respected.

First off, the script/spoiler leaks were due to actions from Microsoft, not BioWare, nor should you have read them in the first place if it was going to be an issue.  But if you read the leak, then you'd know that what has been said about the DLC is true 

The issue is that isn't the Witcher 2 published by the same company that develops it?  They choose to take a hit when providing to fans for free because a)PC has more freedom with DLC and b)they control the entire process.  They can decide to take that risk to hopefully bring in more sales of the main game due to their friendly policy.

Unfortunantly, BioWare does not have that freedom.  Their DLC policy is not only regulated through certification with Sony and Microsoft, but also through their parent company and publisher, EA.  So comparing the Witcher to ME is not a valid comparison, as it is based on two completely different situations.

Finally, no one was lied to.  We were told when the dlc was developed, what was worked on when, etc.  BioWare may have avoided answering questions by dancing around them, but they haven't straight up lied.


Sorry that you chose that route though.  The Witcher 2 is an amazing game, and I know where you're coming from.  However, this isn't the same situation unfortunantly.

[blueruin]

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The chart is flawed to begin with because it assumes that consumers have never heard of testing and therefore don't know a lick about game development.

That assumption does nothing to take away from the points that the chart is trying to make.  

[_symphony]

Tiax Rules All wrote...
yeah i prob shouldn't have but have you SEEN some of the posts. Talk about CE edition elitism and a bunch of blind fanboyism to the point where you would buy any piece of trash Bioware shat out at a premium. Gah.

I think I have him my limit. Being a Bioware fan is not worth it anymore. The fans are no longer like me and Bioware is not what it used to be.

Still two wrongs doesn't make it right, lets drop the aggresion a notch please.

[oto]

Second video on Youtube about Bioware/EA,s shameless behavior...

[AkiKishi]

blueruin wrote...

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The chart is flawed to begin with because it assumes that consumers have never heard of testing and therefore don't know a lick about game development.

That assumption does nothing to take away from the points that the chart is trying to make.  

If they want more money they should increase the base price and see how the market greets that. Trying to increase the price though day 1 DLC hidden costs is immoral.

[MageCeridan]

MissOuJ wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

After all, they're asking us for our money, they aren't entitled to it.  If the integrity of their business practices doesn't matter to them, their bottom line certainly does.

Nor are you entitled to get content for free. You're not even entitled to games, period. They're luxury items you can choose to spend your money on if you wish, and claiming you're entitled to have DLC for free for a game you haven't even bought yet is pretty unreasonable, from where I'm standing.

YEA!

[Blarty]

And this is the real crux of it all.... Bioware aren't entitled to your money AND you are not entitled to have Bioware give you any content you haven't paid for, if that content has a cost.

As I have said many times before I want Bioware to give the DLC out to everyone, but this mob mentality doesn't help anyone.... Take a breath, get the facts and then make a decision as an individual....

[AkiKishi]

oto wrote...

Second video on Youtube about Bioware/EA,s shameless behavior...
 _

[Warlegendz]

"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans." Casey Hudson Tweet an Hour Ago

[Nharia1]

I don't know if anyone has already said anything about this, but how will the Prothean communicate with the other members of Shepard's crew? I understand how Shepard and the Prothean could communicate, since Shep has the Cipher, but what about everyone else?

[MissOuJ]

blueruin wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

blueruin wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

If that chart is true, then I guess I understand. It's still annoying and I still hate EA, but I understand.

It isn't quite true in modern game development - things are more iterative and less of a waterfall nowadays.

That's very vague and uninformative.

I think this is what Yuoaman is talking about. (if I'm wrong, please correct).

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

And you're proud of the concept that what you are doing now and have done in the past is tantamount to holding the Bioware team to ransom and by calling out for Boycotts and pirating the game 'out of principle' has any more integrity.

That is the power of consumers. Bioware/EA are in the wrong here.

So far I've convinced a couple of people to rent rather than buy so EA/Bioware don't get any money.

"sailing the high seas" does not come under that of course.

And again, why shoudn't they get the money they earned (well, BioWare earned;)) on the main game when the DLC is the issue?  It's not like not having the DLC ruins and corrupts the game.

Don't buy the DLC.  If people buy the game, but don't buy the DLC, the sales numbers provide a more accurate depiction of what the problem is.  Just not buying the game is just an overreaction that doesn't do anyone any good.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 06:18 .

[MageCeridan]

BobSmith101 wrote...

blueruin wrote...

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The chart is flawed to begin with because it assumes that consumers have never heard of testing and therefore don't know a lick about game development.

That assumption does nothing to take away from the points that the chart is trying to make.  

If they want more money they should increase the base price and see how the market greets that. Trying to increase the price though day 1 DLC hidden costs is immoral.

Please explain to me how that is Immoral?
Do you know the meaning of the word Immoral btw?

[Guns_of_Freedom]

To everyone else still complaining that you have to pay to get exclusive CE DLC how about you tell Bioware thank you for even giving you a chance to play the damn DLC!!!

[Squallypo]

oto wrote...

Second video on Youtube about Bioware/EA,s shameless behavior...

i got scared by that guy.. i rather this one which is muchhhhhhhhh better really.

 

[blueruin]

BobSmith101 wrote...

blueruin wrote...

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The chart is flawed to begin with because it assumes that consumers have never heard of testing and therefore don't know a lick about game development.

That assumption does nothing to take away from the points that the chart is trying to make.  

If they want more money they should increase the base price and see how the market greets that. Trying to increase the price though day 1 DLC hidden costs is immoral.

It's not a hidden cost.  You can buy it, or you can not buy it.  The choice is up to you.  And you totally missed the point of the chart.

[Argors]

Here is some melodrama for you. Just for the lulz.

First they came for the average Joe
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a average Joe

Then they came for the non DLC crowd
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't in the non DLC crowd.

Then they came for the casual gamer
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't casual gamer.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

So is Prothean Squadmate freed after 296 pages?

[AkiKishi]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
And again, why shoudn't they get money the earned (well, BioWare earned;)) on the main game when the DLC is the issue?  It's not like not having the DLC ruins and corrupts the game.

Don't buy the DLC.  If people buy the game, but don't buy the DLC, the sales numbers provide a more accurate depiction of what the problem is.  Just not buying the game is just an overreaction that doesn't do anyone any good.

If they think their games are worth it then price the games £10 higher SquareEnix often do and they still seem to sell fine.

Hidden costs are unethical.

[Yuoaman]

MissOuJ wrote...

blueruin wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

blueruin wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

If that chart is true, then I guess I understand. It's still annoying and I still hate EA, but I understand.

It isn't quite true in modern game development - things are more iterative and less of a waterfall nowadays.

That's very vague and uninformative.

I think this is what Yuoaman is talking about. (if I'm wrong, please correct).

And also this.

[MageCeridan]

MissOuJ wrote...

blueruin wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

blueruin wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

If that chart is true, then I guess I understand. It's still annoying and I still hate EA, but I understand.

It isn't quite true in modern game development - things are more iterative and less of a waterfall nowadays.

That's very vague and uninformative.

I think this is what Yuoaman is talking about. (if I'm wrong, please correct).

Yes that's what he was talking about.
Modern game developpers prefer Iterative development models because it's easier(and cheaper) to catch and fix mistakes done at design time since the software will pass through the development phases multiple times.

[RiouHotaru]

JamesShepard777 wrote...

The chart is flawed to begin with because it assumes that consumers have never heard of testing and therefore don't know a lick about game development.

Except that most consumers DON'T know about how testing works or game development works.  The middle portion of the chart is EXACTLY the argument the anti-DLC people use.  They don't believe ANY work should be done on Launch DLC because for them, 'Launch' implies that somehow something is missing.

But if the team DOESN'T start doing work then, even post-launch DLC might not happen because most of the team that would work on it might not still be on the project.  They don't let their workers just sit around doing nothing you know.

[Genshie]

TK Dude wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

You know using terms like "Biodrone" does nothing more than annoy people.

You can easily call the responding party a TB-drone. However, name calling isn't going to get us any where in the long run. I have on the other hand have more than once called the people who respond, without any thinking of their own, to TB's video a pack of mindless lemmings.

Either way the worst thing that could happen is that Bioware does give this dlc out for free with every new copy and in response to the CE owners out there give them something even more in return but then the SE owners will just find out about that extra free thing CE owners get and start complaining about that as well. In the long run this isn't going to hurt the company it is just going to hurt the fans of the Mass Effect franchise in the long run