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[Atakuma]

The fact that the character is a prothean makes it that much worse, because they are clearly exploiting people's interest.

[DJBare]

rumbalumba wrote...

 
http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

As much as I would love to place my vote, that site requires too much information.

Modifié par DJBare, 23 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[WeWant]

LinksOcarina wrote...

WeWant wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

If they didn't charge for it, how would that be fair to the people who paid extra for the CE?

This was never promised for the SE, you're entitled to nothing.

People who bought the CE are screwed because they are paying something that should be in the game, but still try to justify the +$20.

So the artbook, soundtrack, patch and other items included with the bonus character and mission are worth nothing?

Or th efact that people who don't have the CE are just as loud as those who did get it, and are complaining about something even more vile since they have no proof of the matter?

Yeah, thats not hypocritical at all.

- I didn't say there are worth nothing, just that, more exclusive stuf you have in you CE, the more comfortable you feel paying for it.
- We don't need proof. Every argument against day one dlc have been told and you just ignore it. We can't do much for fanboys with selective hearing.

[slyborg]

Pretty lame. I will still buy ME3, eventually get the DLC if I have the money, but I am getting pretty disgusted having games sold to me in pieces. $60 may not seem like a lot to some people, but it is for me.

[pavi132]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

Ok, so WELL IN ADVANCE, Bioware decided to bring back a dead race that was very important to the storyline in earlier games, but make it separate from the main game so they could monetize it. I thought DLC was supposed to be separate content they plan and add after the game was complete for people who loved the game and want more of it, not content that they plan well ahead of time just to purposefully withhold it for money. 

[Vault08]

Modifié par Vault08, 23 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[padawanmage]

Daywalker315 wrote...

padawanmage wrote...

My thing is...will NOT getting this DLC hurt the gaming experience for me? With what's in it, will I NOT be able to play the game? Just wondering...

I'm guessing you know the answer to this is no ... You'll absolutely be able to play and enjoy the game, save the galaxy, get the girl/guy, etc. People just need something to rage about and this is the new fuel for the fire.

Honestly, when I'd read (and spoiled myself, darn) who was included in the DLC...well, it's, imo, such a integral part of the vast storyline to the game, I couldn't help thinking I could miss out on something if I didn't buy it.

[Draconis6666]

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

[V1per7]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

V1per7 wrote...

 yes.

charge us $60 and make us pay an extra $10 for something that should have bene included. disgusting.

It is not include because you buy the cheap edition. People with the CE have it included because it is for the CE in the first place.

im sorry but moron like you just need to stop...

there is not such thing as first place or second place...

when i pay $60, i want a full product. PERIOD.

charging me something that should hace been included is just simply wrong!

[didymos1120]

Vault08 wrote...

Are we going to be able to purchase the costumes separately if we're getting the CE?

Um, what? Dude, if you're getting the CE, you're getting all the stuff in "From Ashes".

[DiabolicallyRandom]

I support "day 1" DLC in the likes of Zaeed, et. al., in order to promote "New Game" sales over used sales.

This is entirely different for a very simple reason - Protheans are at the core of this story, second only to the reapers - the Protheans are the only reason that humans, turians, etc have even a slight chance in hell of defeating the reapers.

Protheans are central to the lore and history of the story created by the first and second games. To completely seperate a living, breathing prothean out from the core game, and charge extra for it, is abhorrent and unacceptable. It is a money grab - plain and simple - they *know* how important a living breathing prothean would be to the players. And they are taking advantage of that in an attempt to monetize what amounts to one of the most central tenets of mass effect lore.

As I type this, I am seriously considering cancelling my pre-order of the collectors edition - I can think of no other way to effectively get the point across then to not support this type of behavior with my hard-earned money.

Exclusives, and day-1 DLC should be restricted to things that don't drastically relate to the core of a games story.

If you need to see how you should have handled this Bioware/EA, you need only look to your previous title in this franchise. You were able to both effectively monetize content/DLC - and additionally spur new game sales by way of the cerberus network and its associated DLC.

I implore you to reconsider this decision, and supply my "standard" edition brethren with the complete story, as is core to this games lore.

[Ryzaki]

Seriously though IMO having a prothean not be plot important is pointless.

What's the point in digging up a long dead species if its not plot relevant? Sheesh.

[PinkFloydMan73]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

So where's the cut-off then?  1 week?  2 weeks?  A month?  2 months?  When it is acceptable to start releasing DLC?

Also, think about what you're saying.  From Ashes was obviously finished AFTER the game went through final certification, at which point they're done with the game.  Would you rather they hold off on releasing him?  Or release him on Day 1 so folks can enjoy him.

Your "All or nothing" view doesn't quite hold up under pressure, you know.

The cut off is pretty clear: day one. Anything done by day one should be included on the disc, or downloadable for free. And it's not like they could just release it one day two. It has to be on a Tuesday, and it has to take a few weeks to pass Microsoft certification first, as everything on the marketplace has to be submitted and certified by Microsoft, a process which I've heard takes, at minimum, a week. This would put the DLC as being finished by the date the game went gold. This DLC had to have been done for a while for Microsoft to certify it and accidentally leak it.

Modifié par PinkFloydMan73, 23 février 2012 - 12:34 .

[Dionkey]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Did you read the post that's been made SEVERAL times by Stanley?  The Prothean was decided as being bonus content WELL IN ADVANCE.

I kind of want to take a cyanide capsule at this point, considering I've had to repeat this multiple times:

IF IT IS DONE BY DAY 1, RELEASE IT FOR FREE OR ON THE DISC. THERE SHOULD BE NO DAY-1 DLC.

So where's the cut-off then?  1 week?  2 weeks?  A month?  2 months?  When it is acceptable to start releasing DLC?

Also, think about what you're saying.  From Ashes was obviously finished AFTER the game went through final certification, at which point they're done with the game.  Would you rather they hold off on releasing him?  Or release him on Day 1 so folks can enjoy him.

Your "All or nothing" view doesn't quite hold up under pressure, you know.

A month seems reasonable, in my honest opinion. Think about how Zaeed was handled, friend, this is not a new concept.

Actually, you have it wrong.  Zaeed and the Normandy crash-site were available for those who bought the game new...but what about those who didn't?

What about folks who bought the game used?  Do you know what they had to pay to activate the Cerberus Network to get Zaeed and the Crash Site?

...$20 bucks.

That's right, they paid 20 bucks for "free" DLC.

CE buyers are paying about $80 bucks for the all the goodies + Prothean + complete game

You're paying $70 bucks for complete game + Prothean

The complete game?  By itself?  $60

We're all paying for the DLC, regardless of the manner of it's release.

Nope, Cerberus Network Pass' were $15 each and you save $10 when buying the game used. That means you get all of the CN content at the loss of an extra $5 if you bought it used and decided to get the CNP as well.  Also, not sure if you read my argument with The Optimist, but I already mentioned that they should do it just like they did in ME2, awarding new copies with addittional content. You don't pay full price, you get a little less; not, you pay way more, you get the full game.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[redsox95MB]

rumbalumba wrote...

 
http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

No. What about the loyal fans who payed more for the CE under the assumption that they were getting a bonus character? Why should you get it for free when I already payed extra for it?

This shouldn't be about getting it for free, but about why they decided to sideline a character with such potential.

[Daywalker315]

ForceXev wrote...

Today it makes me sick that I was ever a fan of Mass Effect and Bioware.  I believe them when they say that ME3 will be a fully complete awesome game without the Prothean character, but there is simply no other word for this business other than extortion.  It should be illegal... I'm not even sure that it's not illegal already.  They know Mass Effect has a strong following, but instead of thanking their fans for supporting their games and making it the huge success it has been, they extort their fans by finding a way to dig deeper into our wallets.

You are robbing your fans.  This DLC is ready to go at the same time as the game.  You can make it available to everyone who, in this God-forsaken economy, are still willing to shell out $60 for your game.  You know full well the importance of a Prothean character to the story-line and that any fan will feel that a major element of the game is missed without it.  You're COUNTING on that fact.  You HOPE people will say "the game is incomplete without the Prothean" because you want us to pay through the nose.

You don't care about fans.  You just want more money.  You #$@%!

Michael Gamble wrote...

The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).

The version many fans WHO CAN AFFORD IT would be likely to purchase you mean.  To Hell with any fans who have limited budgets, right?  I feel Bioware spitting on me and laughing because I don't make as much money as their "better" fans who can spend $80 for one @$#*%*# game. 

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

ME3 just went gold 9 days ago.  You are lying or at least being very misleading, and it doesn't even matter because the content is ready on release day.  You have the option to make it available to everyone who buys the game on release day, and you are choosing to say "No, pay us more money."

You make me sick, EA Bioware.
:sick::sick::sick:

It should be illegal to charge people $10 for the same content that is given as a bonus to collector's edition purchasers? Come on. They didn't come into your house and kill your puppy. Would it have been more logical to be in the main story of the game? Sure, but it's not. Either buy the DLC or don't, but the game will still be awesome.

Obviously you won't be buying it now, or you will after you've cooled down. Either way, even if 5% of people cancel their pre-orders over this, they'll still be up on money. If 31% or more of people spend $10 on DLC and 5% cancel their $60, they still come out ahead. It won't change anything to rant about something that is not THAT big of a deal.

[RiouHotaru]

nevar00 wrote...

Yeah about that... bull****.

1. These guys have lied or "stretched the truth" before.

2.  You're telling me a Prothean isn't going to add enough to the lore and story of the game to warrant being on the original disc and not just DLC.  This just blows my mind.  Either the Bioware writing crew suddenly became incredibly incompetent or they're ripping people off by selling a game with a large chunk of it seperate and for another $10.

1. Again, at this point, lying serves no purpose.  Everyone is determined to hate this regardless.

2. Obviously.  Being DLC MEANS he's not critical to the plot.  He'll likely be a unique squad-member like Kasumi or Zaeed, but neither of them added significantly to the plot.

Honestly, I'm glad the Prothean won't add singificantly to the plot.  There's no reason he should.  The Protheans already did what they set out to do.  As of ME3 there's nothing one Prothean can offer that will help.  The Protheans couldn't stop the Reapers, and their last-ditch effort stopped the cycle from going through as planned (sabotaging the Keepers)

[nightlordv]

graciegrace wrote...

nightlordv wrote...
Why are people basically being rewarded for buying the more expensive CE. I don't want the CE, I don't want to spend 80 bucks for it, so I am being penalized for buying the standard edition for an already inflated 60 bucks?

Yes.  If it's exclusive content, and you choose not to buy it, then you have absolutely no reason to feel entitled to it.  Because you're not.

I didn't say I wanted to be entitled to it, what I'm saying is i still bought the game regardless if it was their CE or the standard version they still got that sale. This DLC should be made available to ALL customers who bought the game period, or, as a bonus for a pre-order.

The fact that they are favoring one customer or another is bad practice and is NOT RIGHT. But go ahead and justify it all you want, if you think this acceptable behaivor then more power to you. I however, do not.

[ElementL09]

graciegrace wrote...

nightlordv wrote...
Why are people basically being rewarded for buying the more expensive CE. I don't want the CE, I don't want to spend 80 bucks for it, so I am being penalized for buying the standard edition for an already inflated 60 bucks?

Yes.  If it's exclusive content, and you choose not to buy it, then you have absolutely no reason to feel entitled to it.  Because you're not.  It's completely unfair that CE buyers would spend 20 extra bucks for content that the game was giving away for free anyway.  If you don't want it, that's fine, but don't whine that you don't get the exclusive content for free with your SE.

But its not exclusive DLC, it free with the Collectors Edition along with other DLC items, a soundtrack, an artbook, a comic and a lithograh and a patch. 

[BlackStar2011]

Well I'll be getting it because I'm basically gettin ME3 for free...

[Tazzmission]

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

agreed! im not joking either i really do agree with you on this

[padawanmage]

Darji wrote...

padawanmage wrote...

My thing is...will NOT getting this DLC hurt the gaming experience for me? With what's in it, will I NOT be able to play the game? Just wondering...

Do you actually care about the whole MAss effect Universe and its story. or do you just play it becauee you can shoot stuff and bang chicks?

If you actually care yes it will hurt your gaming experience. But if you dont even know who the prothean are than nah it wont hurt your personal experiance at all.

If I wanted to only 'shoot stuff and bang chicks' I'd play Gears of War....

Seriously, I am a huge lover of story in games...

[Roudy3006]

Dionkey wrote...

Going to re-post this from the other thread, hope y'all don't mind.
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Please, let me explain this to you:

Mass Effect 3 is $60
One play-through is said to take 18-24 hours (or around ME2's length).
That means you're getting 1 hour of content for $3, never mind NewGame+

FINE! That's fantastic! That's what a game should be!

However, the DLC chracter is $10.
That means we should expect at least 3-4 hours of content out of that character. We all know that the missions included with these characters are usually 20-30 minutes, along with a bit of dialogue.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. If we paid $10 per squaddie, you wouldn't even have a full crew at $60. How would you like buying the game, getting Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Liara, Tali, and The Prothean, and then that's it? No missions, no story, no cutscenes, etc. With this kind of logic, that's exactly what you'd get!

Do you realize how contored this is? Not only this, but the content was finished BEFORE the game went gold, which means they DELIBERATELY removed important content from the game to OVERPRICE it and sell it later.

So if you add the $10 to the base price of the game, it works out to approx. $3.40 for the total package vs. $3....$0.40 more makes it unacceptable? I think we could find better things to gripe about...

Don't get me wrong, there's definitely an issue with the concept of withholding content from the final game in order to sell it as DLC, but the above argument isn't the best way to go about it.

[Draconis6666]

The game does not go GOLD until after THE GAME passes certification which takes awhile also.