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[AlanC9]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Come on people! Keep shelling out that money! It's only 10 bucks! 15? 25? 30...?

I'm extremely curious to see how the future of gaming will turn out. Games will be 80 bucks and require the purchase of hundreds of dollars of DLC just to play the complete game.

You people would still continue to shell out money, wouldn't you? Sit back and take it, right? Nothing we can do?

You people are the problem, not Bioware/EA. Stop supporting these godawful business practices and it would go away. But no. "It's not a big deal", you'll say. You will spend that money and always will. Just shows how stupid the human race is.

And people wonder why the world is in an economic crisis.

Yep, Greece is going to default because they all gave too much money to EA.

And who says we're all going to buy DLC? I'm not. Most ME3 players are not. I don't think 20% of ME3 players will actually end up playing From Dust.

[XxSayrosxX]

Let's not pretend for one second this is an acceptable practice. The very fact that it's a Prothean matters a lot, the fact that it's a day 1 DLC even more.

Companies like BioWare and EA are not struggling for money. They could have come up with countless other great perks to have on their DLC that would have insured them extra revenue, but to take away a character that is so important just by its origin to the core of the trilogy's story just to insure they make an extra $10 off the vast majority of the people who don't realize their consumer power is sad and another sign of EA's greed leaving a bad taste in BioWare's fans.

And so that brings me to my last point, consumer power. Most people don't realize that you can hold on to your money, you don't have to spend right away on something. Every time you buy something, you're casting a vote and by buying this extra DLC that should have been included in the main game, you're saying it's okay for this practice to be done, and as someone already mentioned on page 1 of this mega thread, it'll lead to this becoming a standard.

Corporations are like that, you give them a hand and they take your arm, especially ruthless corporations like EA. If just 25% of the people here held off on buying the game for, say, another month and kept this pressure up, the message would be loud and clear and it would hit them in a way that this thread never could. At the end of the day, we're meant to believe we're at the mercy of whatever EA decides but our wallets are what ultimately decides what is and is not acceptable.

I was dying to play this game when I had finished ME2, but this practice bothers me too much to buy ME3. I'll rent it or maybe just borrow it from someone. I've supported BW for a while now, ever since KOTOR 1 but you ain't getting my money this time.

Modifié par XxSayrosxX, 24 février 2012 - 07:33 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Come on people! Keep shelling out that money! It's only 10 bucks! 15? 25? 30...?

I'm extremely curious to see how the future of gaming will turn out. Games will be 80 bucks and require the purchase of hundreds of dollars of DLC just to play the complete game.

You people would still continue to shell out money, wouldn't you? Sit back and take it, right? Nothing we can do?

You people are the problem, not Bioware/EA. Stop supporting these godawful business practices and it would go away. But no. "It's not a big deal", you'll say. You will spend that money and always will. Just shows how stupid the human race is.

And people wonder why the world is in an economic crisis.

Customers have the ultimate say that is true. However, I would argue that, relatively speaking, Bioware's CE content here is brillant and better than 90% of CE editions that have released. From Elder Scrolls to super-mainstream games like Call of Duty this is a Collector's Edition that goes back to the roots of what Collector Edition means in other mediums with the rather nice ability to allow the  Prothean DLC content to be available for SE fans as DLC which makes perfect sense for the medium--even if you discount that it may also be because there much more demand for the CE than what can be made or wanted to be made (whichever is most relevant here). 

[BaronIveagh]

biowaregeek wrote...


Mass Effect 3 N7 Collector's Edition IS $80 BUCKS by the time all of the dlc is released how much will the game cost us? $140? for the game thanks bioware.

Not sure if this has been answered, but in another thread the estimate was something like $260 for one of each of the currently announced DLC, due to many of them requireing you buy another item to get the DLC 'free'.

[BTCentral]

geertmans wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

geertmans wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

biowaregeek wrote...

Mass Effect 3 N7 Collector's Edition IS $80 BUCKS by the time all of the dlc is released how much will the game cost us? $140? for the game thanks bioware.

I'm paying €90 for my CE; that's about $120 according to the currency calculator, so...

Damn... I paid 37 €.... I'm beginning to fear I won't get it on release day because of the bargain.

How'd you manage that?!  Where are you buying it from?

I'm officially jealous right now...

I ordered the CE at www.mycom.nl

Assuming it actually turns up for that price, very good deal.

I paid £59.99 (around 70 Euros, or $95) personally - which is why I am happy that the CE comes with a decent amount of content (and yes, I took the DLC into consideration when purchasing it).

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 07:36 .

[Warp92]

It's really stupid for anyone to sell a vital character to lore as a separate part of the game...
GJ Bioware... /end sarcasm

[nitefyre410]

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

[grilledsquid]

Wow, really? You apologists are so high on yourselves that you felt the need to create a banner advertising your position? How mature.

[AlanC9]

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 février 2012 - 07:33 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

Never played Tales of Vesperia, so never really payed attention to it.  So no, I'm personally not aware.  Care to share or are you asking us to inform you?

[Genshie]

KBomb wrote...

Genshie wrote...

 That is perfectly fine reasoning but don't signal people out like that. I knew from the moment you posted that long paragraph that you pointed me out. I haven't pointed anyone out in this thread directly and I would hope others would do the same. The fact that you didn't doesn't help your cause. I repesct you as much as I do anyone else here just as long as we are being acceptable of one another that is.
If people are allowed to support TB I can support a group who doesn't give a flying freak about him and think he is missing out on a great game.

 
Wow, don't flatter yourself. I didn't single anyone out. In fact, I said both sides. Tbh, I didn't even pay attention to any of your postings until you replied to me. If my particular post struck a cord with you, then maybe that says more about you than it does about my post. In fact, looking at your banner, it doesn't even contain the line on the bottom that reads (paraphrased, of course) “No F's were given that day” Which was the original banner I was speaking about. So, yeah. You kind of brought yourself into the spotlight on this one, for whatever reason you had. lol...

Okay, whatever. Text is vague. I have multiple banners so the text gets pushed down. I do have the said banner you are pointing out.

[_symphony]

fropas wrote...

AAAAAAh capitalism. I love it!

Lets hope you never fall from the top, capitalism is less benevolent to those at the bottom.

[Squallypo]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.
there was even evidence that they actually stripped it out from the game.. how shameful is that 

Modifié par Squallypo, 24 février 2012 - 07:34 .

[AkiKishi]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Come on people! Keep shelling out that money! It's only 10 bucks! 15? 25? 30...?

I'm extremely curious to see how the future of gaming will turn out. Games will be 80 bucks and require the purchase of hundreds of dollars of DLC just to play the complete game.

You people would still continue to shell out money, wouldn't you? Sit back and take it, right? Nothing we can do?

You people are the problem, not Bioware/EA. Stop supporting these godawful business practices and it would go away. But no. "It's not a big deal", you'll say. You will spend that money and always will. Just shows how stupid the human race is.

And people wonder why the world is in an economic crisis.

Customers have the ultimate say that is true. However, I would argue that, relatively speaking, Bioware's CE content here is brillant and better than 90% of CE editions that have released. From Elder Scrolls to super-mainstream games like Call of Duty this is a Collector's Edition that goes back to the roots of what Collector Edition means in other mediums with the rather nice ability to allow the  Prothean DLC content to be available for SE fans as DLC which makes perfect sense for the medium--even if you discount that it may also be because there much more demand for the CE than what can be made or wanted to be made (whichever is most relevant here). 

The casual market will not accept the increase. Thats' why they are miking gamers with DLC.

[nightcobra]

 
*just found a way to buy ME3 and the DLC without having to pay bioware/EA for it, i'll buy the game used at my local store and while i don't like giving money to the retail store, i'll be helping a friend of mine who's always been at my side for the best and for the worst of times, by doing this he'll be getting a raise and he'll give me the DLC code and the game for 40 euros, i can't thank him enough.* that doesn't mean that i'll stop supporting the people who believe the product is not complete i who i think deserve a better customer service and i'll still be here to defend that point of view.

[Kevin Lozandier]

XxSayrosxX wrote...

Let's not pretend for one second this is an acceptable practice. The very fact that it's a Prothean matters a lot, the fact that it's a day 1 DLC even more.

Companies like BioWare and EA are not struggling for money. They could have come up with countless other great perks to have on their DLC that would have insured them extra revenue, but to take away a character that is so important just by its origin to the core of the trilogy's story just to insure they make an extra $10 off the vast majority of the people who don't realize their consumer power is sad and another sign of EA's greed leaving a bad taste in BioWare's fans.

And so that brings me to my last point, consumer power. Most people don't realize that you can hold on to your money, you don't have to spend right away on something. Every time you buy something, you're casting a vote and by buying this extra DLC that should have been included in the main game, you're saying it's okay for this practice to be done, and as someone already mentioned on page 1 of this mega thread, it'll lead to this becoming a standard.

Corporations are like that, you give them a hand and they take your arm, especially ruthless corporations like EA. If just 25% of the people here held off on buying the game for, say, another month and kept this pressure up, the DLC would be free and included with the game. At the end of the day, we're meant to believe we're at the mercy of whatever EA decides but our wallets are what ultimately decides what is and is not acceptable.

I was dying to play this game when I had finished ME2, but this practice bothers me too much to buy ME3. I'll rent it or maybe just borrow it from someone. I've supported BW for a while now, ever since KOTOR 1 but you ain't getting my money this time.

No, it's smart business. They made a very desirable piece for a Collector's Edition and something that would be treasured by fans to buy the version that has the most fan-service material made for. 

I personally think they could have made it a bonus for beating the game the first time, but that's not the case here if you're assuming he's not in the game at all as far as cameo appearances.....

[nitefyre410]

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.

 

As someone who brought  Tales Of Vesperia and like that very much... um... they did  what?  this is news to me...  

[AlanC9]

XxSayrosxX wrote...

Let's not pretend for one second this is an acceptable practice. The very fact that it's a Prothean matters a lot, the fact that it's a day 1 DLC even more.

I'm not pretending. It is acceptable

Easy for me to say, of course. I think ME3's going to have too much prothean stuff in it without the DLC, so I'm not planning to add more by buying From Ashes.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 février 2012 - 07:36 .

[ShadeJB]

I may be jumping into the discussion here, but here's a food for thought to people that support this DLC. I know that there's no way that we'll know if he's important in the game or not unless we play it, but then at that point you've already bought the game; and if you're playing on PC then that's it. But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free. Let's see how far we can take it ? I can understand why people are mad about this, and why CE owners just don't care. Then what ? next game, day 1 DLC for everyone to buy ? Will you accept the possibility that even CE owners will have to buy day 1 DLC ?

[ArkkAngel007]

grilledsquid wrote...

Wow, really? You apologists are so high on yourselves that you felt the need to create a banner advertising your position? How mature.

That's not the purpose of that group; to be "apologists" as you snidely insinuate.

They are just people who have the CE and don't care for this argument really.  They have the content, plain and simple, and made a place where they can talk about it without all the negativity surrounding the "From Ashes" DLC.

Not arguing that people should make it a part of their argument (they shouldn't, so neither should you), but it's what they did and they should be able to talk about it in a way they see fit when it's not being directed towards anyone.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 24 février 2012 - 07:38 .

[Fenix_HuN]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara and Ashley both have a significant impact on the plot of ME3.  Not the Prothean. 

Are you serious? A prothean? Not much impact on the story? 

Look, the whole story revolves around the Humans, the Reapers and the Protheans. Leaving the Prothean out (now that it got made) is like leaving the Reapers out of it...

Modifié par Fenix_HuN, 24 février 2012 - 07:39 .

[AkiKishi]

Squallypo wrote...
stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.
there was even evidence that they actually stripped it out from the game.. how shameful is that 

Thats happened quite a bit. Wild Arm , the one with Chopin (sorry name totally escapes me right now).

Mostly as an incentive to buy the same game again.

Tales was released later so It was not stripped rather added.

[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

AAAAAAh capitalism. I love it!

Lets hope you never fall from the top, capitalism is less benevolent to those at the bottom.

Dude I'm very clearly not at the top I have to wait 6-12 month before I play most games. . .I'm clearly lower-middle class. . .YEAH it's a LONG way down for me .

Modifié par fropas, 24 février 2012 - 07:38 .

[Kevin Lozandier]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Come on people! Keep shelling out that money! It's only 10 bucks! 15? 25? 30...?

I'm extremely curious to see how the future of gaming will turn out. Games will be 80 bucks and require the purchase of hundreds of dollars of DLC just to play the complete game.

You people would still continue to shell out money, wouldn't you? Sit back and take it, right? Nothing we can do?

You people are the problem, not Bioware/EA. Stop supporting these godawful business practices and it would go away. But no. "It's not a big deal", you'll say. You will spend that money and always will. Just shows how stupid the human race is.

And people wonder why the world is in an economic crisis.

Customers have the ultimate say that is true. However, I would argue that, relatively speaking, Bioware's CE content here is brillant and better than 90% of CE editions that have released. From Elder Scrolls to super-mainstream games like Call of Duty this is a Collector's Edition that goes back to the roots of what Collector Edition means in other mediums with the rather nice ability to allow the  Prothean DLC content to be available for SE fans as DLC which makes perfect sense for the medium--even if you discount that it may also be because there much more demand for the CE than what can be made or wanted to be made (whichever is most relevant here). 

The casual market will not accept the increase. Thats' why they are miking gamers with DLC.

They are milking the content in a sense as they could have made it available only in the Collector's Edition. I won't be naive to not point that out. 

The thing is that there are more fans would like this material than what the Collector's Edition would accomodate. Which is what Collector Edition of entertainment material do. Heck they devalued the Collector's Edition by allowing it to be DLC in way as Collector Editions are usually bought also to sell for a ton later back in the day. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:39 .