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[Squallypo]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.

 

As someone who brought  Tales Of Vesperia and like that very much... um... they did  what?  this is news to me...  

if you got the game you should have know this, they actually deleted the content of having flynn as a companion and the pirate girl too and others missions plus technics etc etc, yes it was deleted fromt he 360 version to only provide it to ps3 version later on just because. 360 felt pretty betrayed for giving a game without a complete content while others has it complete

[AlanC9]

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

[ArkkAngel007]

ShadeJB wrote...

I may be jumping into the discussion here, but here's a food for thought to people that support this DLC. I know that there's no way that we'll know if he's important in the game or not unless we play it, but then at that point you've already bought the game; and if you're playing on PC then that's it. But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free. Let's see how far we can take it ? I can understand why people are mad about this, and why CE owners just don't care. Then what ? next game, day 1 DLC for everyone to buy ? Will you accept the possibility that even CE owners will have to buy day 1 DLC ?

CE owner that does care.  That's why I encourage people that if they are against it, don't support the DLC.  Buy the game of course to support the IP and developers (even if it has to go through Economic Arts), but don't buy the DLC.

[Squallypo]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...
stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.
there was even evidence that they actually stripped it out from the game.. how shameful is that 

Thats happened quite a bit. Wild Arm , the one with Chopin (sorry name totally escapes me right now).

Mostly as an incentive to buy the same game again.

Tales was released later so It was not stripped rather added.

as i said after people found out about this stuff they started doing research and they actually found information from the actual game disk that it was deleted from it, there was some text commands stuff that pretty much said that those stuff were on the 360 version but got erased. i dont know if that stuff is still around somwhere im sure it is in some Tales fan site.

[fropas]

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.

 

As someone who brought  Tales Of Vesperia and like that very much... um... they did  what?  this is news to me...  

if you got the game you should have know this, they actually deleted the content of having flynn as a companion and the pirate girl too and others missions plus technics etc etc, yes it was deleted fromt he 360 version to only provide it to ps3 version later on just because. 360 felt pretty betrayed for giving a game without a complete content while others has it complete

I bought that game used too. I never knew this though. Too bad.
 It's still a fun game regardless.

[AlanC9]

Fenix_HuN wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara and Ashley both have a significant impact on the plot of ME3.  Not the Prothean. 

Are you serious? A prothean? Not much impact on the story? 

Look, the whole story revolves around the Humans, the Reapers and the Protheans. Leaving the Prothean out (now that it got made) is like leaving the Reapers out of it...

Don't be silly. If  that was the case ME3 wouldn't be playable without the DLC.

[ArkkAngel007]

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

We don't know where that cost all is though.  At least half the stuff would make up the $20 easily if they sold through retail.  We do not know if this is just an added perk for CE owners or it's something we paid for, or at what marked down price we paid for it.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

Come on people! Keep shelling out that money! It's only 10 bucks! 15? 25? 30...?

I'm extremely curious to see how the future of gaming will turn out. Games will be 80 bucks and require the purchase of hundreds of dollars of DLC just to play the complete game.

You people would still continue to shell out money, wouldn't you? Sit back and take it, right? Nothing we can do?

You people are the problem, not Bioware/EA. Stop supporting these godawful business practices and it would go away. But no. "It's not a big deal", you'll say. You will spend that money and always will. Just shows how stupid the human race is.

And people wonder why the world is in an economic crisis.

Customers have the ultimate say that is true. However, I would argue that, relatively speaking, Bioware's CE content here is brillant and better than 90% of CE editions that have released. From Elder Scrolls to super-mainstream games like Call of Duty this is a Collector's Edition that goes back to the roots of what Collector Edition means in other mediums with the rather nice ability to allow the  Prothean DLC content to be available for SE fans as DLC which makes perfect sense for the medium--even if you discount that it may also be because there much more demand for the CE than what can be made or wanted to be made (whichever is most relevant here). 

The casual market will not accept the increase. Thats' why they are miking gamers with DLC.

They are milking the content in a sense as they could have made it available only in the Collector's Edition. I won't be naive to not point that out. 

The thing is that there are more fans would like this material than what the Collector's Edition would accomodate. 

They are , but they've got they won't be making this much money from game for a long time.Money made from this game will be spread around to create new titles.

Them doing this is somewhat wrong , but again for a CE buyer like myself.I paid premium price for premium content.

[laststarfighter]

I have to say I'm pretty excited about the DLC, day 1 or day 100.

[illsteward]

One question - how many territories do you expect to get the Day 1 DLC? Not every country has so perfect services that we are guaranteed to get the game on Day 1. And again, not every country has access to DLC's. Given that I can never buy some DLC's legally anyway, I may be a bit biased, but - does it really matter if it is given for free or to be paid for? Someone must have coded it. If they would NOW raise the price tag for this game up by $5, because they will include a sticker with "Prothean Message, recovered on Ilos" to spice things up and made the DLC not only available, but also an easter egg, how many of you would still complain... And how many of us will actually get it, hm? I am not sure the answers would be that good...

[Squallypo]

fropas wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.

 

As someone who brought  Tales Of Vesperia and like that very much... um... they did  what?  this is news to me...  

if you got the game you should have know this, they actually deleted the content of having flynn as a companion and the pirate girl too and others missions plus technics etc etc, yes it was deleted fromt he 360 version to only provide it to ps3 version later on just because. 360 felt pretty betrayed for giving a game without a complete content while others has it complete

I bought that game used too. I never knew this though. Too bad.
 It's still a fun game regardless.

you know whats funny that there was infomation threw the game that there was some empty spots in it in specific parts of the game ive always wondered why and after knowing what they did now i understand alot.. rofl so dissapointing, but yes the game was so much fun 

[Kevin Lozandier]

Fenix_HuN wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara and Ashley both have a significant impact on the plot of ME3.  Not the Prothean. 

Are you serious? A prothean? Not much impact on the story? 

Look, the whole story revolves around the Humans, the Reapers and the Protheans. Leaving the Prothean out (now that it got made) is like leaving the Reapers out of it...

No it's not.

1) You don't know the story so you don't even know if there is other factors Protheans play in. You don't even know he is in the game either way but the DLC creates a scenario that compels him to join you in the battlefield? 

2) It easily can be seen as fan-service if Bioware may, no one can say for certain until after the game is released and makng-of-ME3 is made tried to have him be part of canon on the field and felt it was not the best decision and made him extra. This is no different than awesome uncut material that most felt should have been in the final game. 

3) I would argue it's perhaps one of the best DLC lore-wise to be included in a CE in a LONG time. This is old-school kind of a Collector Edition item if you ask me....

[_symphony]

fropas wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

AAAAAAh capitalism. I love it!

Lets hope you never fall from the top, capitalism is less benevolent to those at the bottom.

Dude I'm very clearly not at the top I have to wait 6-12 month before I play most games. . .I'm clearly lower-middle class. . .YEAH it's a LONG way down for me .

Hey, you got your CE, you are at the top here.

[H1natachan]

Squallypo wrote...

I Loled so hard after seeing this :innocent:

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...

I may be jumping into the discussion here, but here's a food for thought to people that support this DLC. I know that there's no way that we'll know if he's important in the game or not unless we play it, but then at that point you've already bought the game; and if you're playing on PC then that's it. But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free. Let's see how far we can take it ? I can understand why people are mad about this, and why CE owners just don't care. Then what ? next game, day 1 DLC for everyone to buy ? Will you accept the possibility that even CE owners will have to buy day 1 DLC ?

CE owner that does care.  That's why I encourage people that if they are against it, don't support the DLC.  Buy the game of course to support the IP and developers (even if it has to go through Economic Arts), but don't buy the DLC.

What you say is Madness!

[obie191970]

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

does anyone know about Tales of Vesperia 360 version and ps3 issue ? anyone is aware of what namco/bandai did there?

 

beside  telling the PS 3 peope in the US  to kiss off... no  Tales game for you?  No I don't but i remember  hearing  that Namco/Bandai nickeled and dimed the hell out people with one of the Ace Combat games on  360

stay on target, stay on target im talking about Tales of Vesperia content that was deleted from the xbox 360 version and it was only avaible for the ps3 version, and it was an important part wether you wanna see it that way or not.

 

As someone who brought  Tales Of Vesperia and like that very much... um... they did  what?  this is news to me...  

if you got the game you should have know this, they actually deleted the content of having flynn as a companion and the pirate girl too and others missions plus technics etc etc, yes it was deleted fromt he 360 version to only provide it to ps3 version later on just because. 360 felt pretty betrayed for giving a game without a complete content while others has it complete

This happens all the time where content is exclusive to one console.  SSX releasses on Tuesday with Mt. Fuji being PS3 exclusive.

[stargatefan1990]

Fenix_HuN wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara and Ashley both have a significant impact on the plot of ME3.  Not the Prothean. 

Are you serious? A prothean? Not much impact on the story? 

Look, the whole story revolves around the Humans, the Reapers and the Protheans. Leaving the Prothean out (now that it got made) is like leaving the Reapers out of it...

not even close Fenix, The protheans are a race who got reaped by the reapers thousands of years ago yes they stopped the reapers initial attack this time around etc a surviving prothean is cool and seriously awsome fan service but the reapers are the main part of mass effect 3 and i bet you the prothean makes a camo without the DLC=]

[Kevin Lozandier]

illsteward wrote...

One question - how many territories do you expect to get the Day 1 DLC? Not every country has so perfect services that we are guaranteed to get the game on Day 1. And again, not every country has access to DLC's. Given that I can never buy some DLC's legally anyway, I may be a bit biased, but - does it really matter if it is given for free or to be paid for? Someone must have coded it. If they would NOW raise the price tag for this game up by $5, because they will include a sticker with "Prothean Message, recovered on Ilos" to spice things up and made the DLC not only available, but also an easter egg, how many of you would still complain... And how many of us will actually get it, hm? I am not sure the answers would be that good...

Buy the CE. No problem. 

This is the reaction of people right now that doesn't make any sense:

Mass Effect 3 Collector's Edition is Announced with Exclusive Content and Characters: Nothing from people ('It's probably like Zaeed, hahaha')

9 Months Later: The Exclusive Content and Character is... A Prothean and be able to revisit Eden's Prime and now there's a ****storm (ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL WITH MY MONEY BIOWARE)

It is sort of illogical the argument some of you are making given this fact even without the many reasons that have been expressed. This is NOT even mentioning ME2 DLC implementation that were worse in value compared to this DLC that's low key generous....

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:52 .

[blackashes411]

(May have already been discussed hours back, but idgaf)

https://twitter.com/...092061912903681

@CaseyDHudson tweets ...

The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. ME3 centers on the Reapers, NOT on the Protheans.

UGHHHHHHHHHH. There could've been at least a better way to state that!!! The Protheans maybe aren't the center, but are ESSENTIAL to the story, maybe???

It's just the way he wrote it downplayed the whole significance of the Protheans by a lot.

Modifié par blackashes411, 24 février 2012 - 07:47 .

[Squallypo]

H1natachan wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

I Loled so hard after seeing this :innocent:

i cant take credit for it cause i didnt made it, i just saw it and i thought it was needed to be posted here 

[Fenix_HuN]

AlanC9 wrote...
Don't be silly. If  that was the case ME3 wouldn't be playable without the DLC.

You are right, I got a little carried away. Still I think something as important as a Prothean could be included in the game by default, if they've already finished creating him before the game's release.

[nightcobra]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

We don't know where that cost all is though.  At least half the stuff would make up the $20 easily if they sold through retail.  We do not know if this is just an added perk for CE owners or it's something we paid for, or at what marked down price we paid for it.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

"On #[/s]ME3[/b], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. "

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 07:46 .

[illsteward]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

illsteward wrote...

One question - how many territories do you expect to get the Day 1 DLC? Not every country has so perfect services that we are guaranteed to get the game on Day 1. And again, not every country has access to DLC's. Given that I can never buy some DLC's legally anyway, I may be a bit biased, but - does it really matter if it is given for free or to be paid for? Someone must have coded it. If they would NOW raise the price tag for this game up by $5, because they will include a sticker with "Prothean Message, recovered on Ilos" to spice things up and made the DLC not only available, but also an easter egg, how many of you would still complain... And how many of us will actually get it, hm? I am not sure the answers would be that good...

Buy the CE. No problem. 

I have it on pre-order, but that still doesn't mean I believe that there will be no "licencing problems" as there were with Mass Effect 2 DLC's.

[wrdnshprd]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

[AlanC9]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

We don't know where that cost all is though.  At least half the stuff would make up the $20 easily if they sold through retail.  We do not know if this is just an added perk for CE owners or it's something we paid for, or at what marked down price we paid for it.

True. But I'm not sure there's an actual answer to this. The marginal cost for adding the DLC to the CE is zero. How much of the CE's extra revenue Bio says is the DLC's revenue is pretty much arbitrary.