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[Takamori The Templar]

Nice job Bioware sundered apart the community and turn the main discussion into a "Nobility edition" x "Peasant edition".

[obie191970]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

The game discs are exactly the same.  CE buyers just get a download code for the DLC that they paid for.

[_symphony]

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

You're getting something for free, you are saying that all the goodies and the DLC (that cost $10 for everyone else) is all worth 20 bucks?

[stargatefan1990]

trololoolol

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 24 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[nitefyre410]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

*snip*

They are milking the content in a sense as they could have made it available only in the Collector's Edition. I won't be naive to not point that out. 

The thing is that there are more fans would like this material than what the Collector's Edition would accomodate. 

 

Which was most likely, possible the plan from the start... put on the CE .. the people who could not get the CE  get it as paid day 1 dlc at lunch.   Use the CE to create more demand for the Prothean character or its  smart, cunning and everything esle. Hell  I even admire  it but I don't have to buy it. 

Collectibles.. soundtracks(love those), Artbooks(love these even more)  little trinkets(awesome)  big bad ass looking figurines( Freaking Awesome), Making over DvDs( informative and awesome)

playable characters  and squadmates  = not awesome, not cool.  

Characters in a game are not exclusive items Collector  Edition Items that a later to be solid as1 day DLC.   

[nightcobra]

obie191970 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

The game discs are exactly the same.  CE buyers just get a download code for the DLC that they paid for.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">On ]#[/s]ME3[/b][/color][/url], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. 

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[BaronIveagh]

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

What you say is Madness!

Madness?  THIS.......IS.......THE INTERNET!!!!!

[ArkkAngel007]

Fenix_HuN wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Liara and Ashley both have a significant impact on the plot of ME3.  Not the Prothean. 

Are you serious? A prothean? Not much impact on the story? 

Look, the whole story revolves around the Humans, the Reapers and the Protheans. Leaving the Prothean out (now that it got made) is like leaving the Reapers out of it...

You misunderstood me.  Liara and Ashley, as pretty much all the major characters in ME3, do have a major impact on the narrative of ME3.  They are important to how the game is presented.  Without them, well, there would be no plot.

This individual Prothean is not.  He has no impact on the game itself.  Lore-wise, it's an important bookmark and really awesome, but it doesn't affect the actual game.

The Protheans still play a major part to the plot of the game, just not this guy.  Whether we think he should or not is not our decision.  He isn't, and that's the way he is.  If Liara and/or Ashley were neglible to the game, I wouldn't have a problem with that either. 

However, taking advantage of what is supposedly a very loyal fanbase on launch in this way is still a questionable practice.

[fropas]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

They both have the same content out of the box this is additional DLC. . .So yay we both get the same game, but I have access to additional content b/c I bought the CE.

Modifié par fropas, 24 février 2012 - 07:50 .

[AkiKishi]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

They are milking the content in a sense as they could have made it available only in the Collector's Edition. I won't be naive to not point that out. 

The thing is that there are more fans would like this material than what the Collector's Edition would accomodate. Which is what Collector Edition of entertainment material do. Heck they devalued the Collector's Edition by allowing it to be DLC in way as Collector Editions are usually bought also to sell for a ton later back in the day. 

They never planned it to be exclusive.

Digital collector editions are worthless to me. But then I like the extras like the WitN trol , Batman bust and Lightning model.

[weremutt]

I still cannot believe people are complaining about this, and I have to laugh because most of the people complaining about it are the same people over and over. Your cause is fruitless give up the company did not listen on many other things, what makes you think they will listen on this?

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...
They both have the same content out of the box this is additional DLC. . .So yay we both get the same game, but I have access to additional content b/c I bought the CE.

How do you figure that ? Out of the box of one you get the DLC, so they can't have the same content out of the box and no you don't get the same game because of that.

[stargatefan1990]

I'm out im getting this DLC day one thank you bioware for the great years of gaming

[AlanC9]

wrdnshprd wrote...

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

Thanks.

However, you're wrong about "complete." It isn't used to mean what you say it is used to mean.  Nobody calls the standard editions of the LotR films "incomplete", even though they don't have as many scenes as the extended editions.

Perhaps people should call the standard editions incomplete. But they don't.

[obie191970]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

The game discs are exactly the same.  CE buyers just get a download code for the DLC that they paid for.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">On ]#[/s]ME3[/b][/color][/url], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. 

Poor choice of words in Twitterspeak.  You're arguing semantics - The fact of the matter is that the main selling point of the CE was the additional character and mission and that is why people spent an extra $20.

[MissOuJ]

wrdnshprd wrote...

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

If the two versions were priced the same, I'd agree.

However, they're not. When I'm picking up my game, I'm going to pay the equivalent of $120 for the CE. That's $40 more than what US customers pay for their CE, and twice as much as people who only buy the SE.

I'd very much appreciate people (who aren't BioWare) stopped telling me what I deserve for parting with that amount of money  and claiming they should get the DLC for free.

Modifié par MissOuJ, 24 février 2012 - 07:53 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

So it's bioware's fault no one watched the bioware online episodes.I've already said I don't think it's completly right , however I understand from a buisness side of things why they did it.I'm a CE buyer , paid more money and I'm receiving premium content.

To me as long as a huge portion of the game wasn't cut out , I don't have too much of a problem.

[biowaregeek]

 i found this to be a crack up and to the  point www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par biowaregeek, 24 février 2012 - 07:54 .

[ArkkAngel007]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

We don't know where that cost all is though.  At least half the stuff would make up the $20 easily if they sold through retail.  We do not know if this is just an added perk for CE owners or it's something we paid for, or at what marked down price we paid for it.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">"On ]#[/s]ME3[/b][/color][/url], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. "

Well then, it's a perk, and one that honestly, I don't agree with.  If it's free for us who bought the CE when we already are receiving quite a few in-game items, then it should be free for the SE owners.  This is of course that his intention is stating that it is free in addition to everything else and not included in the cost.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 07:54 .

[Squallypo]

weremutt wrote...

I still cannot believe people are complaining about this, and I have to laugh because most of the people complaining about it are the same people over and over. Your cause is fruitless give up the company did not listen on many other things, what makes you think they will listen on this?

make examples of what other things you speak of 

[AlanC9]

_symphony wrote...

You're getting something for free, you are saying that all the goodies and the DLC (that cost $10 for everyone else) is all worth 20 bucks?

I'm not saying it's worth anything at all. I didn't buy the CE, myself. Ask someone who did.

[wrdnshprd]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

The game discs are exactly the same.  CE buyers just get a download code for the DLC that they paid for.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">On ]#[/s]ME3[/b][/color][/url], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. 

also, just because the DLC  content is digital doesnt make the CE  less complete out of the box.

[Kevin Lozandier]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LOST SPARTANJLC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

is the SE advertised to be a complete game without getting CE? YES

does the SE player get access to the same characters and missions the CE player does WITHOUT having to purchase extra content. NO 

Could you link me to that ad?

I've never seen an ad for the SE where Bio promises that it includesall the missions and characters that are in the CE.

not for SE , but CE buyers Bioware tv episode

its also in the OP:

Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

 If you have not said anything about Mass Effect 2's Collector Edition or Collector Edition of other games like Kingdom of Amalur, Fable, Deux Ex, Call of Duty, and other games than you're hypocritical....

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 24 février 2012 - 07:56 .

[nightcobra]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

ShadeJB wrote...
 But think about this for a second: When DAO and ME2 was released, they included a free DLC for every new copies. Fine, combating used game. Then DA2 was released, free DLC for all pre-order. Okay, reward us for our support. Now ME3 is coming, CE owners get free DLC, saying that it's the version that fan will most likely buy. Yeah, but it's limited, so even if 90% CE is bought by hardcore fan, doesn't mean that 90% hardcore fan will get it. But the real problem is, like the Forbes article said, this is just the next step to EA's testing process: first we give it to all buyer free, then to pre-order free, then to CE edition only free.

This is a little confused. It's not free to the CE buyer. After all, the CE costs more, right? So this is part of the stuff you get for paying more.

We don't know where that cost all is though.  At least half the stuff would make up the $20 easily if they sold through retail.  We do not know if this is just an added perk for CE owners or it's something we paid for, or at what marked down price we paid for it.

https://twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson 

[color=rgb(255, 255, 255)">"On ]#[/s]ME3[/b][/color][/url], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the "From Ashes" DLC, free w/ the CE or you can buy seperately. "

Well then, it's a perk, and one that honestly, I don't agree with.  If it's free for us who bought the CE when we already are receiving quite a few in-game items, then it should be free for the SE owners.

that's what i've been saying all this time, that bioware itself said the DLC was free in the CE edition leaving the 20$ cost to the collectibles (physical And digital) even if the DLC was what the buyer wanted in the first place.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 07:56 .

[Genshie]

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

Thanks.

However, you're wrong about "complete." It isn't used to mean what you say it is used to mean.  Nobody calls the standard editions of the LotR films "incomplete", even though they don't have as many scenes as the extended editions.

Perhaps people should call the standard editions incomplete. But they don't.

I may have to agree with that since the scenes taken out were mainly taken out due to the fact that most of the movies were all almost over 3 hours long without the additional footage. (I even think one of them was) One could say they were cut due to length of time the movie would be. Not many people are willing to sit in a theater for 4+ hours.

Modifié par Genshie, 24 février 2012 - 07:56 .