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[fropas]

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

No I don't "know it doesn't add up" I'm paying more so of course I get more. BW/EA advertised all those things to be included in CEs, and I'm paying them for EVERYTHING. I don't get to pick and choose what extra content "is worth it" and what extra content is "too much." I'm getting all the extra content because I'm paying them ALL the extra money they are asking for.

Also, I really DGAF at this point I'd pay for the prothy DLC if they took it away from CE consumers just to ****** people off. . .That's just how many Fs I refuse to give.

[ArkkAngel007]

Now I want a Collector's co-op option, with classes of Protheans. I don't care if it doesn't give me war assets, my inner fan demands it!

[Daywalker315]

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

[AkiKishi]

BTCentral wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

BTCentral wrote...
From a business perspective, I honestly do not see that happening here. If anything all this is likely to have created more demand.

Ok, even I hae to ask how shafting custoemrs creates demand?

Because most people (other than on the BSN) will not see it as shafting customers. They'll see it as content that may have only been available with the CE... available for purchase.

This went beyond BSN days ago.

The only people who have not heard about it are the casuals so if anyone has journalist friends looking for a story.

[Almostfaceman]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

[MissOuJ]

_symphony wrote...

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?

You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

I'm paying the equivalent of $120 for the CE, because for some reason videogames are much more expensive where I live. Do you think that is enough money to cover the costs of both extra stuff and the DLC? You do realize I'm paying twice as much as SE byers in the US?

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

fropas wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Split hairs if you want. You don't get to decide what my 80$ CE's "actual" worth is. I'm buying it from BW/EA not you.

no need to overreact, that's why we're asking casey hudson if he really meant that the DLC in the CE is free of charge.

the hot potato as they say is in his hands now.

Sorry. I get defensive when people make it sound like I'm getting things for free--when I'm clearly paying 20$ more for all the extra content. I'll try to calm myself.  

and if he continues to say that the DLC is free on the CE?

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

We are paying for the production costs of the actual development process as well.

[jbadm04]

TheOptimist wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Going to re-post this from the other thread, hope y'all don't mind.
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Please, let me explain this to you:

Mass Effect 3 is $60
One play-through is said to take 18-24 hours (or around ME2's length).
That means you're getting 1 hour of content for $3, never mind NewGame+

FINE! That's fantastic! That's what a game should be!

However, the DLC chracter is $10.
That means we should expect at least 3-4 hours of content out of that character. We all know that the missions included with these characters are usually 20-30 minutes, along with a bit of dialogue.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. If we paid $10 per squaddie, you wouldn't even have a full crew at $60. How would you like buying the game, getting Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Liara, Tali, and The Prothean, and then that's it? No missions, no story, no cutscenes, etc. With this kind of logic, that's exactly what you'd get!

It's perfectly acceptable.  The character is not essential to the story.  He is, and always was, planned as an add on DLC, as we have known since the first advertisements for the collectors edition came out.  When they produced him is irrelevant.  They produced a game with content X that they will sell for $60.  This character is add on content Y, which is for sale for $10 more or included for free in the CE.  If they cut up the game into a bunch of little pieces, as you apparently fear, then it becomes unplayable and no one buys it.  IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE DLC, DO NOT BUY IT.  But you are not entitled to a piece of content they have deemed as extra just because of when it was produced.

Let me ask you a serious question.  If they'd kept this under raps and released it 3 months after the initial game, would you still be so upset?  I rather doubt it.  The only reason people care is because of when they THINK the DLC was made in conjunction with the real game (whether or not that has any basis in reality).  I predict that in the future, Bioware will do exactly that, denying us content we could have had earlier but for the whining of people like you, who apparently believe they have some god given right to content that the developer has decided is not part of the core game.

this

[nightcobra]

 

BobSmith101 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

fropas wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

fropas wrote...

Split hairs if you want. You don't get to decide what my 80$ CE's "actual" worth is. I'm buying it from BW/EA not you.

no need to overreact, that's why we're asking casey hudson if he really meant that the DLC in the CE is free of charge.

the hot potato as they say is in his hands now.

Sorry. I get defensive when people make it sound like I'm getting things for free--when I'm clearly paying 20$ more for all the extra content. I'll try to calm myself.  

and if he continues to say that the DLC is free on the CE?

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all. 

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means. 

the DLC might be free if casey confirms it to be so but the rest of the digital content is assuredly in the total extra cost with the digital comic, litograph, soundtrack, artbook and n7 gear

[AkiKishi]

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

[Daywalker315]

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

You don't get to assign "worth" to the items I bought in MY collector's edition. I couldn't care less about the patch, the art book, the lithograph, or any of the physical items. The soundtrack is meh. Nice to have but whatever. I bought it for exclusive in-game weapons, hoodie, robo dog, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the DLC character and mission. In my mind, I paid $20 for the in-game content and the rest of it will probably just be discarded or put in a box somewhere. Stop with the self-righteous "this SHOULDN'T be in the collector's edition" stuff. Go make your own game and you can decide what you want to include in it's collector's edition. Until then either buy the DLC or don't. But don't tell me I'm getting my DLC for free when I spent extra money almost exclusively for that reason.

[BTCentral]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

By your logic, the Digital Deluxe version can by copied for free as many times as they like - so they should not charge anything for it?

If not, you need to make up your mind. Either digital content costs them nothing, or it costs them something.

Also, digital content is not free. You do realise there's this thing called "bandwidth" and "data transfer" that companies have to pay for when distributing things via the web, right?

Modifié par BTCentral, 24 février 2012 - 08:46 .

[Almostfaceman]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

Copy for free? What? You do understand that not only are there costs in making it (which need to be covered) but there's also costs in maintaining copies on servers and on bandwidth to upload to folks and on IT personnel to maintain availability for customers and customer support folks to answer questions and trouble shoot the software. You do live in the real world right? Where things actually cost money?

[nightcobra]

Daywalker315 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

You don't get to assign "worth" to the items I bought in MY collector's edition. I couldn't care less about the patch, the art book, the lithograph, or any of the physical items. The soundtrack is meh. Nice to have but whatever. I bought it for exclusive in-game weapons, hoodie, robo dog, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the DLC character and mission. In my mind, I paid $20 for the in-game content and the rest of it will probably just be discarded or put in a box somewhere. Stop with the self-righteous "this SHOULDN'T be in the collector's edition" stuff. Go make your own game and you can decide what you want to include in it's collector's edition. Until then either buy the DLC or don't. But don't tell me I'm getting my DLC for free when I spent extra money almost exclusively for that reason.

as casey hudson already said the prothean DLC in the CE was free, we've asked him to confirm or deny his statement. can't get any more of an official statement like that  so if you please...calm down and wait for his response, wether it is positive or negative for you.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 24 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[weremutt]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

My first play through on my soldier class is gonna be this guy and Liara even though I cheated on her with Miranda.

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

So the additional hundreds of thousands of dollars for weeks' worth of wages and voice acting and on and on, that pales in comparison to the cost of the little trinkets and cheap book printing, eh? Come on Bob, we've talked about this. Why are you still on this?

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

And yet you continue to avoid the actual reason why we pay, which is the actual development costs.  You are only looking at it from a manufacturing perspective.  All of the marketing, pre-development, development...that's the bulk of what we are paying for when we purchase a game. 

Edit: Disregard the point made about CE costs.  Keep forgetting about foreign outsourcing for mass production.

Edit: Forgot about server costs as well, now that there is multiplayer and that they use Alliance News Network.  

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 09:01 .

[Daywalker315]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

You don't get to assign "worth" to the items I bought in MY collector's edition. I couldn't care less about the patch, the art book, the lithograph, or any of the physical items. The soundtrack is meh. Nice to have but whatever. I bought it for exclusive in-game weapons, hoodie, robo dog, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the DLC character and mission. In my mind, I paid $20 for the in-game content and the rest of it will probably just be discarded or put in a box somewhere. Stop with the self-righteous "this SHOULDN'T be in the collector's edition" stuff. Go make your own game and you can decide what you want to include in it's collector's edition. Until then either buy the DLC or don't. But don't tell me I'm getting my DLC for free when I spent extra money almost exclusively for that reason.

as casey hudson already said the prothean DLC in the CE was free, we've asked him to confirm or deny his statement. can't get any more of an official statement like that  so if you please...calm down and wait for his response, wether it is positive or negative for you.

Yes, he said "free" meaning they won't have to pay $10 to get it because they already spent more to get the CE, in which they were promised a bonus character and mission DLC. Use common sense when you reply to me, please.

For the record, I am perfectly calm. I am just tired of people trying to tell me that the physical items are worth $20 in the CE, so we shouldn't get the DLC too. I didn't buy mine for the physical items so they aren't "worth" $20 to me.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[BaronIveagh]

BTCentral wrote...

Ok, even I hae to ask how shafting custoemrs creates demand?
Because a lot of people (just not necessary on the BSN) will not see it as shafting customers.
They'll see it as offering content that may have otherwise only been available with the CE.

---

Also, in case people have not already seen, there's free (what I assume will be day 1) DLC available already.

I respectfully disagree (though my current client is hoping otherwise).  It really depends though on who Bioware is marketing it to, though.  I suspect that they've given up on the older demographic and are marketing it to kids, given the tie ins with action figures. 

And, of course kids don't care about being ripped off or EULAs, or any of the other stuff that has been brought up against this game, because as minors, they can't legallly agree to them.  They just want to shoot things and see hot alien babes make out.

Also on people not knowing about it: just got picked up by my loacal news.  Fun.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 24 février 2012 - 08:47 .

[AkiKishi]

nightcobra8928 wrote...
the DLC might be free if casey confirms it to be so but the rest of the digital content is assuredly in the total extra cost with the digital comic, litograph, soundtrack, artbook and n7 gear

With digital items there is a production cost but once thats done there is no further cost.

With Items such as artbooks etc. There is a unit cost. Each item in every CE costs money. That is what you are paying £20 for to cover EA's unit costs.
The digital stuff, already paid for in production so even if they did top up the cost because the dgital stuff was always either bonus or additional they have actually covered their butts in this case.

If I were a true fan of Bioware I think that allowing them to give out the DLC free, a huge feel good coup which turns all that negative exposure suddenly possitive and probably nets them a ton of additional sales.Id be inclined to let them. But I only do CEs for actual items anything I believe everyone should get the same game items.

[Tazzmission]

weremutt wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

My first play through on my soldier class is gonna be this guy and Liara even though I cheated on her with Miranda.

im killing off james vega and my end game squad will be


prothean

lara


kaidan

[fropas]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

You don't get to assign "worth" to the items I bought in MY collector's edition. I couldn't care less about the patch, the art book, the lithograph, or any of the physical items. The soundtrack is meh. Nice to have but whatever. I bought it for exclusive in-game weapons, hoodie, robo dog, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the DLC character and mission. In my mind, I paid $20 for the in-game content and the rest of it will probably just be discarded or put in a box somewhere. Stop with the self-righteous "this SHOULDN'T be in the collector's edition" stuff. Go make your own game and you can decide what you want to include in it's collector's edition. Until then either buy the DLC or don't. But don't tell me I'm getting my DLC for free when I spent extra money almost exclusively for that reason.

as casey hudson already said the prothean DLC in the CE was free, we've asked him to confirm or deny his statement. can't get any more of an official statement like that  so if you please...calm down and wait for his response, wether it is positive or negative for you.

Yes we are waiting for confirmation that the DLC is free for CE consumers. . .I'm sure we'll get confirmation of that very soon.

[oto]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

And yet you continue to avoid the actual reason why we pay, which is the actual development costs.  You are only looking at it from a manufacturing perspective.  All of the marketing, pre-development, development...that's the bulk of what we are paying for when we purchase a game. 

Believe it or not, BioWare takes a hit for every CE sold, because it costs more to produce all of those items in there then what they are selling.  They lose money doing this.

Edit: Forgot about server costs as well, now that there is multiplayer and that they use Alliance News Network.  

ahahahaha      do you even  belive what you are saying ?

[g99]

Navigating 300 pages... It's above my level of endurance.
Nevertheless I will give my opinion. From my point of view the problem with this DLC (as day one DLC) is not the fact who is in it, we do know from Dragon Age: Origins, that to beat the game You don't need all squad/party members. The problem is that this time even if You buy the game from EA, brand new You still have to pay extra for him/her. It seems that there is no reward for giving them money. Pity...
My general issue with DLC is the price. I will give You example of ME2. I got the game as a gift, later on I found out that it costed (I live in Poland so keep in mind I will use my home currency) around 39 (ok it's 12$). To buy Lair of the Shadow Broker I myself had to pay 29,20 (around 9$). The price of DLC is never going down. Look at them Shadow Broker, Arrival, Kasumi - Stolen Memory, Overlord Pack and all known to me DA2 DLC cost the same now as the day DLC had premiere. Witch means today if You buy ME or ME2 on Origin during a promotion you can get the game cheaper than the DLC to it.

This trend is a very negative way of doing business. I will wait a LOOOOOOOONG time to buy (or not) and play (or not) Mass Effect 3 (no sooner than Christmas this year I think). Or maybe never if this keeps going. I will wait even longer to EVEN consider any DLC for this game. Sory no money EA/BioWare from me as long as this keeps like this.

P.S. On the other hand if they start producing not finished games... I fear where this is going.

[Bostur]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bostur wrote...

Whatever happened to just selling a complete game?

This merchandising circus is so confusing you will need to sell DLC guidebooks, so people can figure out what parts to buy to get the full game.

Hopefully EA will get burned badly by all this, they are sucking out all creativity from gaming.

I'll support individual developers who make games out of a love for the media, and not those who work to exploit the consumers as much as they can. Thanks Bioware for completely ruining the third part of the trilogy with intrusive DRM, tacky DLCs and general overhype.

I'll just let TotalBiscuit do the constructive arguing, because I'm too disappointed at this point to make much sense.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0vrJ-y2zM

What about, instead of coming in here and just making a statement, you actually address the counter-points brought up to your "complete game" assertion? That's called a discussion. Otherwise you come across as one of those kids who put their hands over their ears and go "La La La I can't hear you!"

Well I did get a little late to the party, which causes a lack of context and makes discussion hard. 300 pages late actually. Besides a statement is usually a good beginning for a discussion.

Feel free to repost some of the highlights if you like.