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[shinobi602]

Collectors are still alive? o___O

[fropas]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

_symphony wrote...

fropas wrote...

So I'm paying 80$ but I'm still getting the DLC for free? that sounds like a lie. . . You don't get to choose which items I paid for in my CE. I never got that choice. I would have preferred to have paid 70$ dollars for the DLC weapons and prothy, but I don't have that choice. BW/EA promised me all the items for the CE I never told them, "Oh I want an N7 patch!" They promised me an additional mission and character. It isn't free. I'm paying for it.

you are still avoiding the question:
Do you think that all the items you get with the CE edition, plus the DLC (that cost $10 to everyone else) is worth $20?


You know it doesn't add up, CE buyers get the DLC at no cost, while SE buyers are the ones screwed by having to pay up.

So lets be honest now, and stop this DGAF aptitude, next time even CE buyers will have to pay for day 1 DLCs.

You don't get to assign "worth" to the items I bought in MY collector's edition. I couldn't care less about the patch, the art book, the lithograph, or any of the physical items. The soundtrack is meh. Nice to have but whatever. I bought it for exclusive in-game weapons, hoodie, robo dog, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, the DLC character and mission. In my mind, I paid $20 for the in-game content and the rest of it will probably just be discarded or put in a box somewhere. Stop with the self-righteous "this SHOULDN'T be in the collector's edition" stuff. Go make your own game and you can decide what you want to include in it's collector's edition. Until then either buy the DLC or don't. But don't tell me I'm getting my DLC for free when I spent extra money almost exclusively for that reason.

as casey hudson already said the prothean DLC in the CE was free, we've asked him to confirm or deny his statement. can't get any more of an official statement like that  so if you please...calm down and wait for his response, wether it is positive or negative for you.

Yes, he said "free" meaning they won't have to pay $10 to get it because they already spent more to get the CE, in which they were promised a bonus character and mission DLC. Use common sense when you reply to me, please.

Now, now, Daywalker, Don't you think he could have meant that we haven't paid for the DLC and are getting it as a "thank you" or something  (btw I'm totally patronizing nightcobra here)

[Almostfaceman]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

as casey hudson already said the prothean DLC in the CE was free, we've asked him to confirm or deny his statement. can't get any more of an official statement like that  so if you please...calm down and wait for his response, wether it is positive or negative for you.

Don't need to wait for Casey Hudson to tell us that the extra money we're shelling out for a CE means the DLC is free or not, because it's obvious the extra money we pay helps cover the cost for developing, marketing, uploading, bandwidth, customer support, on the DLC along with any other extras. 

[nightcobra]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Yes, he said "free" meaning they won't have to pay $10 to get it because they already spent more to get the CE, in which they were promised a bonus character and mission DLC. Use common sense when you reply to me, please.

For the record, I am perfectly calm. I am just tired of people trying to tell me that the physical items are worth $20 in the CE, so we shouldn't get the DLC too. I didn't buy mine for the physical items so they aren't "worth" $20 to me.

please refrain from insults, they don't really work anyway.

anyways let's just see what casey has to say about this...predicament and wait like good well-mannered people shall we? good

[Evilelf007]

People confuse the term "free to download" when it comes to the in game content, without considering the ce had a higher up front cost. We paid for the right to download it in advance. Thus once we have the game, the dlc is free to download.

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...

So the additional hundreds of thousands of dollars for weeks' worth of wages and voice acting and on and on, that pales in comparison to the cost of the little trinkets and cheap book printing, eh? Come on Bob, we've talked about this. Why are you still on this?

They did it while they were making the game. Employees may as well be doing something because you have to pay them anyway.
Wages are already factored in unless you specifically hire people.

VA costs yes I'll give you those but those are not huge unless its someone like TIM.

[weremutt]

Tazzmission wrote...

weremutt wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

My first play through on my soldier class is gonna be this guy and Liara even though I cheated on her with Miranda.

im killing off james vega and my end game squad will be


prothean

lara


kaidan

I do not want to know how, but can I kill Vega? Cause if so, he is dying because I don't need him in any playthroughs.

[BaronIveagh]

g99 wrote...

P.S. On the other hand if they start producing not finished games... I fear where this is going.

Sadly, this is where much of the rest of the software industry already is. 

[fropas]

shinobi602 wrote...

Collectors are still alive? o___O

As Tazzmission stated this could be a flash back (or not) of when the protheans were fighting the reapers from 50,000 years ago.

[Daywalker315]

oto wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

And yet you continue to avoid the actual reason why we pay, which is the actual development costs.  You are only looking at it from a manufacturing perspective.  All of the marketing, pre-development, development...that's the bulk of what we are paying for when we purchase a game. 

Believe it or not, BioWare takes a hit for every CE sold, because it costs more to produce all of those items in there then what they are selling.  They lose money doing this.

Edit: Forgot about server costs as well, now that there is multiplayer and that they use Alliance News Network.  

ahahahaha      do you even  belive what you are saying ?

Agreed. There is ZERO chance all the little physical trinkets in the CE cost anywhere close to $20 to produce. They wouldn't sell a CE for less profit than a SE. A little thing called mass manufacturing of goods. A corporation's best friend. Physical production costs: metal case might cost an extra $1-2, book maybe $2-3, patch 10 cents, lithograph 20 cents, comic book 20 cents. The rest are digital items. That's nowhere near $20.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[Tazzmission]

weremutt wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

weremutt wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

My first play through on my soldier class is gonna be this guy and Liara even though I cheated on her with Miranda.

im killing off james vega and my end game squad will be


prothean

lara


kaidan

I do not want to know how, but can I kill Vega? Cause if so, he is dying because I don't need him in any playthroughs.

im not 100% sure but if i can then yea im gona drop him into a hoarde of husks

[NoxJuked]

damn man this CE DLC is amazing can't wait to play both the complete game and the DLC :3

[weremutt]

Evilelf007 wrote...

People confuse the term "free to download" when it comes to the in game content, without considering the ce had a higher up front cost. We paid for the right to download it in advance. Thus once we have the game, the dlc is free to download.

Totally hit the nail on the head with the hammer when it comes to logic and truth on the subject.

[BaronIveagh]

NoxJuked wrote...

damn man this CE DLC is amazing can't wait to play both the complete game and the DLC :3

I reccomend using some lube, first.

[fropas]

BaronIveagh wrote...

g99 wrote...

P.S. On the other hand if they start producing not finished games... I fear where this is going.

Sadly, this is where much of the rest of the software industry already is. 

That's why I buy most my games off Amazon.com:

deus ex: 20$

Dark Souls: 20$

Wither 2 (6 months after release): 25$

Ultimately we as consumers have the say in what we do and don't buy. If you feel like developers are ripping you off, then buy their games used. . .it's much more cost efficient. 

[Tazzmission]

heres a question that needs to be answered. will the from ashes dlc be include din the season pass?

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...
the DLC might be free if casey confirms it to be so but the rest of the digital content is assuredly in the total extra cost with the digital comic, litograph, soundtrack, artbook and n7 gear

With digital items there is a production cost but once thats done there is no further cost.

With Items such as artbooks etc. There is a unit cost. Each item in every CE costs money. That is what you are paying £20 for to cover EA's unit costs.
The digital stuff, already paid for in production so even if they did top up the cost because the dgital stuff was always either bonus or additional they have actually covered their butts in this case.

If I were a true fan of Bioware I think that allowing them to give out the DLC free, a huge feel good coup which turns all that negative exposure suddenly possitive and probably nets them a ton of additional sales.Id be inclined to let them. But I only do CEs for actual items anything I believe everyone should get the same game items.

You're still ignoring that they have to make sure those costs are met, regardless of whether it's through a physical copy or digital copy that they sell, regardless at what it cost them to create that individual copy.

You're still ignoring the profit's needed to run servers, create additional content, and continue to pay employees who worked on the game through their commissions.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 08:57 .

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

So the additional hundreds of thousands of dollars for weeks' worth of wages and voice acting and on and on, that pales in comparison to the cost of the little trinkets and cheap book printing, eh? Come on Bob, we've talked about this. Why are you still on this?

They did it while they were making the game. Employees may as well be doing something because you have to pay them anyway.
Wages are already factored in unless you specifically hire people.

VA costs yes I'll give you those but those are not huge unless its someone like TIM.

Those people still were not working on the core game and thus their salaries reflect in the cost of making something. If they weren't working on this they could have been working on something else, be it DLC for post-launch or a new game entirely. Either way, their salaries are taken to account for the cost of creating whatever they do during that time and money needs to be made to recoup that cost.

[darthnick427]

fropas wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

Collectors are still alive? o___O

As Tazzmission stated this could be a flash back (or not) of when the protheans were fighting the reapers from 50,000 years ago.

Bioware has tweeted several times that the Collectors had more than one ship and many of them were not at the base so it makes sense there are still quite a few around

[wrdnshprd]

AlanC9 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

again, it doesnt matter how important the content is..  if one version of the product has more content than the other out of the box, than the version with less content is, well, less complete and an inferior version.

you can spin it however you like, but it doesnt make it any less true

Thanks.

However, you're wrong about "complete." It isn't used to mean what you say it is used to mean.  Nobody calls the standard editions of the LotR films "incomplete", even though they don't have as many scenes as the extended editions.

Perhaps people should call the standard editions incomplete. But they don't.

this is actually a great example.. those versions are advertised as EXTENDED versions of the films.. of course people are going to expect there to be more footage.. thats the whole point of the EXTENDED version.

however, when it comes to collector's editions.. besides Dragon age and ME3, when has as a CE ever been advertised that way.

right NEVER.  they've always been advertised to contain vanity items, physical collectibles, artbooks, that kind of thing.. that is, until bioware started doing this kind of thing.  CEs were NEVER advertised to contain actual story content.  and regardless of how important the DLC is, thats exactly what happened here, and in DAO..

and people are willing to accept it because 'times have changed'.

yeah, the certainly have.. i wonder how it got that way..

and keep in mind, im just as much to blame as the next guy... i purchased DAO because i made the same excuses you guys are making now..  im also going to purchase ME3 because i want to see the end of the trilogy.. that doesnt mean i have to continue the same pattern going forward, and neither do any of you. 

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...

oto wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

And yet you continue to avoid the actual reason why we pay, which is the actual development costs.  You are only looking at it from a manufacturing perspective.  All of the marketing, pre-development, development...that's the bulk of what we are paying for when we purchase a game. 

Believe it or not, BioWare takes a hit for every CE sold, because it costs more to produce all of those items in there then what they are selling.  They lose money doing this.

Edit: Forgot about server costs as well, now that there is multiplayer and that they use Alliance News Network.  

ahahahaha      do you even  belive what you are saying ?

Agreed. There is ZERO chance all the little physical trinkets in the CE cost anywhere close to $20 to produce. They wouldn't sell a CE for less profit than a SE. A little thing called mass manufacturing of goods. A corporation's best friend. Physical production costs: metal case might cost an extra $1-2, book maybe $2-3, patch 10 cents, lithograph 20 cents, comic book 20 cents. The rest are digital items. That's nowhere near $20.

Sorry to say something obvious but you are completely disregarding the markup .

[BaronIveagh]

fropas wrote...

Ultimately we as consumers have the say in what we do and don't buy. If you feel like developers are ripping you off, then buy their games used. . .it's much more cost efficient. 

As a PC gamer, it doesn't work that way for us due to Origin. 

[weremutt]

Tazzmission wrote...

weremutt wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

weremutt wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

 :drool:

I'm suddenly way more excited about my CE.

My first play through on my soldier class is gonna be this guy and Liara even though I cheated on her with Miranda.

im killing off james vega and my end game squad will be


prothean

lara


kaidan

I do not want to know how, but can I kill Vega? Cause if so, he is dying because I don't need him in any playthroughs.

im not 100% sure but if i can then yea im gona drop him into a hoarde of husks

Yes! I totally hope I can kill him off. Sadly I like Freddie, he just plays a guy that looks like *bag and a jersey shore reject.

[ElementL09]

Daywalker315 wrote...

oto wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It looks like they may be starting to wobble. Calling the DLC free content on the CE which it is by definition as bonus.It paves the way for free DLC for all.

Again you are not paying for the digital bits you are paying for the physical items that cost EA money to outsource.
You may not like it, you may not accept it. But that is what Bonus means.

Right, because Bioware didn't have to shell out money to make the digital bits. Oh wait, they did. 

Thats a one shot cost for making them. Once thats done they can copy them for free as many times as they want.

And yet you continue to avoid the actual reason why we pay, which is the actual development costs.  You are only looking at it from a manufacturing perspective.  All of the marketing, pre-development, development...that's the bulk of what we are paying for when we purchase a game. 

Believe it or not, BioWare takes a hit for every CE sold, because it costs more to produce all of those items in there then what they are selling.  They lose money doing this.

Edit: Forgot about server costs as well, now that there is multiplayer and that they use Alliance News Network.  

ahahahaha      do you even  belive what you are saying ?

Agreed. There is ZERO chance all the little physical trinkets in the CE cost anywhere close to $20 to produce. They wouldn't sell a CE for less profit than a SE. A little thing called mass manufacturing of goods. A corporation's best friend. Physical production costs: metal case might cost an extra $1-2, book maybe $2-3, patch 10 cents, lithograph 20 cents, comic book 20 cents. The rest are digital items. That's nowhere near $20.

Yeah, thats debatable.  I for one feel that the Collectors Editition contents without From Ashes, still make the Collectors Edition worth 80 bucks.

[Daywalker315]

NoxJuked wrote...

damn man this CE DLC is amazing can't wait to play both the complete game and the DLC :3

Haha. This ^. Nice work.