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[Daywalker315]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

2. Servers, yeah I'm sure their infrastructure is fine as it is and MS and Sony handle the actual end-user download. Not sure where anybody came up with server cost being an issue here.

MS, Sony, and EA servers (Can't forget the PC players).  It costs to maintain the servers and deal with the energy costs of running them.  It's not like they build a server and leave it to it's own devices until they decide to shut it down in 4-5 years.

I was just referring to the fact that I can't see BioWare having to buy new servers or have a big jump in server cost just because they developed one piece of DLC. That's all I was trying to convey.

[LinksOcarina]

_symphony wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

MissOuJ wrote...

Could we all act civil and drop the insults?

I think people would be more civil if people stopped ignoring facts and making ad-hominem arguments.

This. They won't because they are too ignorant to make arguments for or against, and resort to blanket statements and lack of evidence.

Like Fox news really.

and your statement is not civil by the way.

I honestly don't care anymore. I tried to be civil earlier and was called a biodrone for making a valid case and asking important questions.

So really, i'm entitled now to be a bit standoff-ish, since thats how people like playing it.

[nightcobra]

Daywalker315 wrote...

I would just like to quickly point out that I'm very sad that I have yet to receive any replies and comments on my Business 101 post from page 313. I expected both laughs, praise, and lots of flames by now. Damn you fast-moving thread!

With that, I will inflict upon thee the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored. 

[ArkkAngel007]

james1976 wrote...

Hopefully this doesn't turn into that of the Demo thread. We were told we'd have more details on Feb 7th as to if there would be items to unlock in the demo for use in ME3, and it never happened.

I can only hope the details on this one actually drop.

We have the non-spoiler overview of what's in it, and screenshots.  I don't know if we get a video or not though today.

And yeah, weren't we supposed to get information when the demo became available to everyone that there would be/not be unlocks in the demo?

#trolledbyBioWare

[Exia001]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Exia001 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

NoxJuked wrote...

All I know is no one hasn't changed a damn thingin 300+ pages were all stubborn and I'm really just here to blow off time until the release of the game and I'm going to enjoy the **** out of my CE and not give one single **** about any of you crying about it

tl:dr I'm rollin sushi in ramen

Hey, it was postive for about a page and a half when the photos were released...

Photos? I missed those
Link?

Here ya go

www.facebook.com/media/set/

Danke

[NoxJuked]

I wonder why Okeer was so hated what did he ever do to anyone I want to know about all these famous warlords of the krogans

[ArkkAngel007]

Daywalker315 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

2. Servers, yeah I'm sure their infrastructure is fine as it is and MS and Sony handle the actual end-user download. Not sure where anybody came up with server cost being an issue here.

MS, Sony, and EA servers (Can't forget the PC players).  It costs to maintain the servers and deal with the energy costs of running them.  It's not like they build a server and leave it to it's own devices until they decide to shut it down in 4-5 years.

I was just referring to the fact that I can't see BioWare having to buy new servers or have a big jump in server cost just because they developed one piece of DLC. That's all I was trying to convey.

Ok.  Got it.  And yeah, unless they get a lot more consumers on board than they planned for, I don't see new servers going up, and it definitely has nothing to do with the DLC.

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

2. Servers, yeah I'm sure their infrastructure is fine as it is and MS and Sony handle the actual end-user download. Not sure where anybody came up with server cost being an issue here.

MS, Sony, and EA servers (Can't forget the PC players).  It costs to maintain the servers and deal with the energy costs of running them.  It's not like they build a server and leave it to it's own devices until they decide to shut it down in 4-5 years.

I was just referring to the fact that I can't see BioWare having to buy new servers or have a big jump in server cost just because they developed one piece of DLC. That's all I was trying to convey.

Ok.  Got it.  And yeah, unless they get a lot more consumers on board than they planned for, I don't see new servers going up, and it definitely has nothing to do with the DLC.

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

Modifié par obie191970, 24 février 2012 - 09:39 .

[Daywalker315]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I would just like to quickly point out that I'm very sad that I have yet to receive any replies and comments on my Business 101 post from page 313. I expected both laughs, praise, and lots of flames by now. Damn you fast-moving thread!

With that, I will inflict upon thee the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored. 

Haha, that's fine. You still replied, so ignoring isn't really what you're doing.

Honestly though I really wish everybody could kinda move past this or at least be reasonable and have grown-up conversations and be civil with one another (not referring to you specifically, just in general). People throwing around insults and things while trying to convince BW they're wrong about this won't accomplish a thing.

[ArkkAngel007]

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

2. Servers, yeah I'm sure their infrastructure is fine as it is and MS and Sony handle the actual end-user download. Not sure where anybody came up with server cost being an issue here.

MS, Sony, and EA servers (Can't forget the PC players).  It costs to maintain the servers and deal with the energy costs of running them.  It's not like they build a server and leave it to it's own devices until they decide to shut it down in 4-5 years.

I was just referring to the fact that I can't see BioWare having to buy new servers or have a big jump in server cost just because they developed one piece of DLC. That's all I was trying to convey.

Ok.  Got it.  And yeah, unless they get a lot more consumers on board than they planned for, I don't see new servers going up, and it definitely has nothing to do with the DLC.

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

But Microsoft, EA, and Sony all get a share from the DLC as well for server costs.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 09:43 .

[obie191970]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

2. Servers, yeah I'm sure their infrastructure is fine as it is and MS and Sony handle the actual end-user download. Not sure where anybody came up with server cost being an issue here.

MS, Sony, and EA servers (Can't forget the PC players).  It costs to maintain the servers and deal with the energy costs of running them.  It's not like they build a server and leave it to it's own devices until they decide to shut it down in 4-5 years.

I was just referring to the fact that I can't see BioWare having to buy new servers or have a big jump in server cost just because they developed one piece of DLC. That's all I was trying to convey.

Ok.  Got it.  And yeah, unless they get a lot more consumers on board than they planned for, I don't see new servers going up, and it definitely has nothing to do with the DLC.

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Modifié par obie191970, 24 février 2012 - 09:45 .

[Argors]

Just about MP part is it not p2p, if not why in the demo at lest do you have a problem when the host leaves the game. Would the sever not just be more or less just a router? Am asking because I don't know how that all works. It would seam to me if that is the case they are saving right there by making a player the host.

[Kroesis-]

As I seem to be unable to find anywhere to pre order the CE which i'd be happy to pay for, i'm perfectly willing to purchase From Ashes on day 1.
As for the business practice of day one dlc, if there was genuine cause for it to be paid dlc (extra content made after main game went gold, not essential to the main game in order to complete/enjoy it, regardless of a few preliminary files included on the main disc ) then i'll consider purchasing it, but i'll determine if it's worth it or if the game being sold is only a partial product and purchase accordingly.

[_symphony]

LinksOcarina wrote...

I honestly don't care anymore. I tried to be civil earlier and was called a biodrone for making a valid case and asking important questions.

So really, i'm entitled now to be a bit standoff-ish, since thats how people like playing it.

You're in internet full of anonymous, you should have more backbone than that.

[DJBare]

315 pages, "slow golf clap for EA/Bioware"; hell of a risk, but I think you pulled it off, nothing spreads across the internet faster than "controversial", I wonder how many new gamers to the franchise since this.

[LinksOcarina]

_symphony wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

I honestly don't care anymore. I tried to be civil earlier and was called a biodrone for making a valid case and asking important questions.

So really, i'm entitled now to be a bit standoff-ish, since thats how people like playing it.

You're in internet full of anonymous, you should have more backbone than that.

No excuse, really. Especially when the typical response from the said anonymous people is to do things obtusely. 

So yeah, that doesn't hold water anymore for me.

[obie191970]

Argors wrote...

Just about MP part is it not p2p, if not why in the demo at lest do you have a problem when the host leaves the game. Would the sever not just be more or less just a router? Am asking because I don't know how that all works. It would seam to me if that is the case they are saving right there by making a player the host.

I would see it as a problem with or complete lack of host migration.  A lot of MP games have had this issue.

[Evilelf007]

I know of a couple new mass effect fans that can be directly attributed to this controversy.

I've been saying it for a while myself as well...Bioware wins because of this, sales are increasing due to the publicity!

[_symphony]

obie191970 wrote...

Argors wrote...

Just about MP part is it not p2p, if not why in the demo at lest do you have a problem when the host leaves the game. Would the sever not just be more or less just a router? Am asking because I don't know how that all works. It would seam to me if that is the case they are saving right there by making a player the host.

I would see it as a problem with or complete lack of host migration.  A lot of MP games have had this issue.

I think EA servers only do the matchmaking part, once the match starts, you're connected with the hosting player.


If all data went through EA servers then that would be a big investiment, I had hosted a MP server once and you need a good connection with good upload and download speed for keep all players happy.

Modifié par _symphony, 24 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[_symphony]

Evilelf007 wrote...
I know of a couple new mass effect fans that can be directly attributed to this controversy.

I've been saying it for a while myself as well...Bioware wins because of this, sales are increasing due to the publicity!

You are just assuming, I can easily say otherwise.

btw, you are boosting this thread page count by posting.

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets try to break it down.

1. Team to make it - they are employees you pay them whether they are making DLC or playing Nerf in the carpark.
2. Servers - Highly unlikely they need a new server for a 600 mb download
3. VA - this I'm not sure of . I've heard rumours that Prothy is in the game in which case no cost there either.

Total cost real in terms 0 ?

Ok, go create a game that thousands of people want, and offer a 600 MB DLC download for free to everyone then come back and tell us it cost you nothing.

It's not a matter of if they need new servers or not, they may well, but I'm not going to get into that. It's the fact that 600 MB bandwith for each person that downloads it is not free for EA/BioWare, not is the team that makes it, testing, support, voice acting, etc.

At no point did I say the game cost nothing only that the DLC costs were already coverd by the game.

The game isn't being sold yet, so none of the costs have been covered as far as I know. . .

You know people don't wait until a game is gold to get paid right?

[ArkkAngel007]

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

Which is why the commission system is in place, so that they can actually get paid for the quarter and actually receive a "decent" amount.

Still is pretty pathetic though compared to what the publisher and corporate ladder get.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[adept at being awesome]

 Well, thanks for clearing things up. Actually no, not thanks because you just re-hashed what other people have already said.
I'm not going to be buying mass effect 3. I absolutely love the other games and ME3 was my most highly anticipated game of 2012. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it was a different character, but this is a PROTHEAN. The only rreason Shephard is special in the first place is because of contact with a Prothean beacon. The Protheans have always been shrouded in mystery and were the main villains in ME2 and now that there's a living Prothean in the ME universe you feel the need to hold him just out of reach of the fans who have supported this franchise since the first game. I will only purchase this game if Bioware decides to stop trying to curry favour with EA and returns to being an incredible company that i used to care about. 

[Evilelf007]

And this threads page count matters why? lol