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[ArkkAngel007]

adept at being awesome wrote...

 Well, thanks for clearing things up. Actually no, not thanks because you just re-hashed what other people have already said.
I'm not going to be buying mass effect 3. I absolutely love the other games and ME3 was my most highly anticipated game of 2012. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it was a different character, but this is a PROTHEAN. The only rreason Shephard is special in the first place is because of contact with a Prothean beacon. The Protheans have always been shrouded in mystery and were the main villains in ME2 and now that there's a living Prothean in the ME universe you feel the need to hold him just out of reach of the fans who have supported this franchise since the first game. I will only purchase this game if Bioware decides to stop trying to curry favour with EA and returns to being an incredible company that i used to care about. 

You are wrong with your perception of what the situation is on so multiple counts, but if that's the way you feel, fine, your loss.

[Daywalker315]

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

[obie191970]

adept at being awesome wrote...

 Well, thanks for clearing things up. Actually no, not thanks because you just re-hashed what other people have already said.
I'm not going to be buying mass effect 3. I absolutely love the other games and ME3 was my most highly anticipated game of 2012. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it was a different character, but this is a PROTHEAN. The only rreason Shephard is special in the first place is because of contact with a Prothean beacon. The Protheans have always been shrouded in mystery and were the main villains in ME2 and now that there's a living Prothean in the ME universe you feel the need to hold him just out of reach of the fans who have supported this franchise since the first game. I will only purchase this game if Bioware decides to stop trying to curry favour with EA and returns to being an incredible company that i used to care about. 

Protheans were the main villians in ME2?  I did not know that.....

Sorry to see people who have spent hundreds of hours and a lot of money on this series walk away over the cost of lunch.  

[DJBare]

Evilelf007 wrote...

And this threads page count matters why? lol

Because if this had been a generic thread it would have been closed long ago with all the insults and calling EA/Bioware liars, they know they are onto a good thing, like I said nothing travels the internet faster than "controversial"; in this case all publicity is good publicity.

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets try to break it down.

1. Team to make it - they are employees you pay them whether they are making DLC or playing Nerf in the carpark.
2. Servers - Highly unlikely they need a new server for a 600 mb download
3. VA - this I'm not sure of . I've heard rumours that Prothy is in the game in which case no cost there either.

Total cost real in terms 0 ?

Ok, go create a game that thousands of people want, and offer a 600 MB DLC download for free to everyone then come back and tell us it cost you nothing.

It's not a matter of if they need new servers or not, they may well, but I'm not going to get into that. It's the fact that 600 MB bandwith for each person that downloads it is not free for EA/BioWare, not is the team that makes it, testing, support, voice acting, etc.

At no point did I say the game cost nothing only that the DLC costs were already coverd by the game.

The game isn't being sold yet, so none of the costs have been covered as far as I know. . .

You know people don't wait until a game is gold to get paid right?

You know that the company needs that money back to cover what they pay, and to keep paying, right?

You're ignoring the whole pictue.

[Daywalker315]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

adept at being awesome wrote...

 Well, thanks for clearing things up. Actually no, not thanks because you just re-hashed what other people have already said.
I'm not going to be buying mass effect 3. I absolutely love the other games and ME3 was my most highly anticipated game of 2012. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with this if it was a different character, but this is a PROTHEAN. The only rreason Shephard is special in the first place is because of contact with a Prothean beacon. The Protheans have always been shrouded in mystery and were the main villains in ME2 and now that there's a living Prothean in the ME universe you feel the need to hold him just out of reach of the fans who have supported this franchise since the first game. I will only purchase this game if Bioware decides to stop trying to curry favour with EA and returns to being an incredible company that i used to care about. 

You are wrong with your perception of what the situation is on so multiple counts, but if that's the way you feel, fine, your loss.

In fairness, Adept, the Protheans weren't the baddies in ME2, the Collectors were. Yes, they USED to be the Protheans but they were far too bastardized by that point to be still considered Protheans.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 24 février 2012 - 10:09 .

[obie191970]

Daywalker315 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

It's not even close to that - I tried to find the graph again yesterday but it's more like 30%.  The publisher is the one who makes the most in the process.

[_symphony]

Evilelf007 wrote...

And this threads page count matters why? lol

Anyone could use the page count as a measure of the amount of players pissed about the DLC, without reading the content.

you see? anyone can grab the truth and twist it a bit, just like this thread page count doesn't mean anything by itself, your statement about BioWare getting free publicity for ME3 is baseless.

[ArkkAngel007]

Daywalker315 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

I think we, or at least I, were speaking of the individual developers. First publishers receive the majority of the revenue.  Most of the money received by developers is put towards paying off the costs from development and putting aside profit for future projects.  The money that finally leaks down is not very substantial. 

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 10:15 .

[fropas]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets try to break it down.

1. Team to make it - they are employees you pay them whether they are making DLC or playing Nerf in the carpark.
2. Servers - Highly unlikely they need a new server for a 600 mb download
3. VA - this I'm not sure of . I've heard rumours that Prothy is in the game in which case no cost there either.

Total cost real in terms 0 ?

Ok, go create a game that thousands of people want, and offer a 600 MB DLC download for free to everyone then come back and tell us it cost you nothing.

It's not a matter of if they need new servers or not, they may well, but I'm not going to get into that. It's the fact that 600 MB bandwith for each person that downloads it is not free for EA/BioWare, not is the team that makes it, testing, support, voice acting, etc.

At no point did I say the game cost nothing only that the DLC costs were already coverd by the game.

The game isn't being sold yet, so none of the costs have been covered as far as I know. . .

You know people don't wait until a game is gold to get paid right?

You know that the company needs that money back to cover what they pay, and to keep paying, right?

You're ignoring the whole pictue.

I don't know why we even bother with bob--he obviously doesn't understand that investors have already paid for developers to produce a product they themselves have not been reimbursed for yet.  

Modifié par fropas, 24 février 2012 - 10:14 .

[Evilelf007]

No it's not baseless, just google mass effect dlc and see the blogs and articles!

believe it or not, this forum is NOT publicity...lol

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

DLC is almost pure profit.

[Daywalker315]

obie191970 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

It's not even close to that - I tried to find the graph again yesterday but it's more like 30%.  The publisher is the one who makes the most in the process.

The only thing I could find on the matter was regarding indie development and it claimed the developer received between 40 and 70%. Link below. However, major game DLC deals with not only a developer but also a publisher (albeit has generally higher sales prices and amount of sales than indie games). I'd like to see that graph though and the sourcing behind it. There is a reason developers do DLC and honestly, 30% wouldn't be much of an incentive if it were me.

http://4playerpodcas...developers-cut/

[Evilelf007]

As I already mentioned, I know a few people who had no care for the series, but they saw the articles and controversy, looked into the game further and have since pre ordered!

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

BTCentral wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lets try to break it down.

1. Team to make it - they are employees you pay them whether they are making DLC or playing Nerf in the carpark.
2. Servers - Highly unlikely they need a new server for a 600 mb download
3. VA - this I'm not sure of . I've heard rumours that Prothy is in the game in which case no cost there either.

Total cost real in terms 0 ?

Ok, go create a game that thousands of people want, and offer a 600 MB DLC download for free to everyone then come back and tell us it cost you nothing.

It's not a matter of if they need new servers or not, they may well, but I'm not going to get into that. It's the fact that 600 MB bandwith for each person that downloads it is not free for EA/BioWare, not is the team that makes it, testing, support, voice acting, etc.

At no point did I say the game cost nothing only that the DLC costs were already coverd by the game.

The game isn't being sold yet, so none of the costs have been covered as far as I know. . .

You know people don't wait until a game is gold to get paid right?

You know that the company needs that money back to cover what they pay, and to keep paying, right?

You're ignoring the whole pictue.

I don't know why we even bother with bob--he obviously doesn't understand that investors have already paid for developers to produce a product they themselves have not been reimbursed for yet.  

The question was about DLC I answered that question. IE DLC has no real cost.

Whether EA recovers what it paid to make ME3 or not, that's a completely different question.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 10:17 .

[ehoddes]

I don't really know or care whether or not they're lieing about the timeline, but I don't see what the motivation for that is supposed to be. There's no law. They can do whatever they want. They could have done the Prothean DLC as the first thing developed, and they would be totally within their rights to cut it out and release it as DLC. Hell, even if you couldn't actually finish the game without DLC, as long as they didn't lie to anyone about it, there'd be nothing stopping them from doing it. It would be a stupid business move, but they could still do it. I doubt that many of the people who believe the official statement (including me) would really care if it wasn't true regarding how it was made, as long as the current content of the product being sold to us is accurately described. So all the "LOL You believe That? morons" reactions are mostly beside the point. If what you seem to think happened was publicly stated to be true, I doubt it would change anyone's position one bit.

[obie191970]

Daywalker315 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

It's not even close to that - I tried to find the graph again yesterday but it's more like 30%.  The publisher is the one who makes the most in the process.

The only thing I could find on the matter was regarding indie development and it claimed the developer received between 40 and 70%. Link below. However, major game DLC deals with not only a developer but also a publisher (albeit has generally higher sales prices and amount of sales than indie games). I'd like to see that graph though and the sourcing behind it. There is a reason developers do DLC and honestly, 30% wouldn't be much of an incentive if it were me.

http://4playerpodcas...developers-cut/

My bad - It was for the full game, not DLC.  And it's only 15%.  I'm sure every developer/publisher deal is different but I'm guessing this is the standard ballpark.

http://www.jacehalls...-60-bucks-goes/

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Page is up... but the ability to order is not:

http://marketplace.x...e76c5?cid=SLink

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 février 2012 - 10:19 .

[AkiKishi]

Evilelf007 wrote...

As I already mentioned, I know a few people who had no care for the series, but they saw the articles and controversy, looked into the game further and have since pre ordered!

And I've got a bunch that are now going to rent rather than buy. I guess we balance out.

[ArkkAngel007]

Daywalker315 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

The DLC goes through either Sony, Microsoft or EA.  You're not plugging into Bioware when you download.  Pretty sure a lot of the MP servers are being farmed out at this point as well.

BioWare does get a share of the profits though to go towards the cost of developing the DLC (costs are usally outlined too) and for various BioWare costs (future DLC, wages, employee commission, etc).

Oh definitely, I wasn't implying that they didn't.  I was only pointing out that server costs aren't factored into it aside from the slice of pie that Sony/MS/EA take.

Not to mention that most of the money goes to them; developers like BioWare only get a small pittance of the money made.

I don't know that a "small pittance" would be accurate. If it wasn't profitable for the developers they wouldn't make DLC. I don't know for sure but would assume they get roughly 70% of the revenue from every sale.

It's not even close to that - I tried to find the graph again yesterday but it's more like 30%.  The publisher is the one who makes the most in the process.

The only thing I could find on the matter was regarding indie development and it claimed the developer received between 40 and 70%. Link below. However, major game DLC deals with not only a developer but also a publisher (albeit has generally higher sales prices and amount of sales than indie games). I'd like to see that graph though and the sourcing behind it. There is a reason developers do DLC and honestly, 30% wouldn't be much of an incentive if it were me.

http://4playerpodcas...developers-cut/

Well, yes, indie developers do receive a large share since they negotiate a contract with prospective publishers.  They can get the best deal in that fashion.

However, EA owns BioWare, and controls where the revenue goes.  So with publisher-owned developers, the situation is quite as nice.

So I would expect DLC to be marked up a bit more than what many of us are comfortable with when having to purchase it the same day (well, not having to, but want to) as the game we're already paying quite a bit for.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 24 février 2012 - 10:23 .

[Evilelf007]

Not really, everyone knows casual fans always far out number the hard core ones...it's the casual fans attention that this is getting the word out to.

Me3 sales will be epic.

[rumbalumba]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Not really, everyone knows casual fans always far out number the hard core ones...it's the casual fans attention that this is getting the word out to.

Me3 sales will be epic.

yuck

[DJBare]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

As I already mentioned, I know a few people who had no care for the series, but they saw the articles and controversy, looked into the game further and have since pre ordered!

And I've got a bunch that are now going to rent rather than buy. I guess we balance out.

The people you know personally have no bearing because you can pass the information personally, this goes for both sides, the people that matter are the ones who have no personal connection whatsoever, these are the people who have not heard of mass effect until this controversy which is spreading across blogs and news sites.

[ArkkAngel007]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Not really, everyone knows casual fans always far out number the hard core ones...it's the casual fans attention that this is getting the word out to.

Me3 sales will be epic.

I hope for there to be an amazing amount of sales.  The amount that ME2 sold was very disappointing.

[_symphony]

ehoddes wrote...

I don't really know or care whether or not they're lieing about the timeline, but I don't see what the motivation for that is supposed to be. There's no law. They can do whatever they want. They could have done the Prothean DLC as the first thing developed, and they would be totally within their rights to cut it out and release it as DLC. Hell, even if you couldn't actually finish the game without DLC, as long as they didn't lie to anyone about it, there'd be nothing stopping them from doing it. It would be a stupid business move, but they could still do it. I doubt that many of the people who believe the official statement (including me) would really care if it wasn't true regarding how it was made, as long as the current content of the product being sold to us is accurately described. So all the "LOL You believe That? morons" reactions are mostly beside the point. If what you seem to think happened was publicly stated to be true, I doubt it would change anyone's position one bit.

What's your point? if the DLC were illegal then somebody would be suing BioWare and we wouldn't be here in this thread.

We're complaining about this business practice, if we don't then that joke with the mona lisa picture will start to become more real and less of a joke.