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[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

The Bald One wrote...

but as its dlc the game can obviously be completed without it.

That's begging the question though.  You're using the fact that it's for-profit DLC to support the position it's not all that important, but the entire argument is that it shouldn't be for-profit DLC in the first place.

And I don't think "whether the game can be completed without it" is the proper standard.  On that logic, they could cut Shepard out of the game, make everybody who only pays $60 for the game play as Kaidan Alenko, charge $10 if you want to play with Shepard instead, and say "welp, you can still complete the game without the DLC, just not with the added bonus of Commander Shepard."

If it's integral to the plot and it's ready to launch the same day as the game, it should be included in the game.  They did this for Zaeed last time and he wasn't even part of the plot.  That's what makes it so obvious that the importance of the protheans is exactly what they're trying to leverage into more sales.

The Protheans already served their plot purpose in the first game, though! They flung a message into the future with the beacons saying, "Giant Sentient Starships will wipe out life as you know it, we warned you, by the way, the Citadel is  a giant Mass Relay, beware." For all intents and purposes, they're done! What's the DLC going to do, add to their extinct culture? Discuss how their cycle was? Who cares! It's about stopping the Reapers in this cycle right here, right now! "Oh, but he's a Prothean though!" So? What, is he going to hand you a gun that creates explosions all over the screen when you fire it? No! He's going to join your squad and shoot things. As far as I'm concerned, that makes him non-essential to the plot of Mass Effect 3. Maybe not to Mass Effect as an overarching series, but then again, this isn't "Mass Effect: Anthology", this is Mass Effect 3, with a focus on galactic warfare.

[Daywalker315]

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

[Prom001]

The Bald One wrote...

Frankly I don't care for the arguments over this supposed "withheld content". Whilst it's true that i have pre-ordered ce edition, this content is no worse campared to the comics, or books that have been released before. many of them contained information that either improved upon the mythos of mass effect, or added new intresting developments entirely. people say that this dlc charavter is crucial to the plot, but as its dlc the game can obviously be completed without it.

the dlc character, whilst extremely interesting, will only add to the mythos and backstory, just as the comics and books have before it. I havent got them (though tempted to do so) and as such, the history of mass effect's universe may not be as fleshed out for me as others. the same basics go for the dlc.

I agree. That has always be the case with bioware.

I guess as LotSB & Arrival are canon the dialog will change al ittle bit but thats it for ME3.

A squadmate with a special power.
a longer side mission
more party  conversations

and thats it.

[Zu Long]

So, judging by the posts, same 5-6 people have continued to grind their axe while another 5-6 people have continued to argue with them. Glad I didn't miss anything.

[HiroVoid]

So anyone want to take a guess at how many pages this thread'll reach?

[Daywalker315]

aLucidMind wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bio could still make From Ashes free, or free with new copies, or cost $2, or anything else that comes to mind, if they were actually in trouble over it.

Or if they were directly in control of the price and recieved at least an equal portion rather than EA and console makers being in charge of the price and only giving developers like BioWare a pittance of the earnings.

EA and BioWare for financial purposes of releasing a game are the same entity, for all intents and purposes. BioWare likely has their own agreed upon percentage they receive of sales of new copies, DLC, etc.

[Yuoaman]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

My problem is that they are charging any money for it at all, so no it would not.

[AkiKishi]

Daywalker315 wrote...
Honestly, part of DA2 I liked. I liked the story of DA:O a lot but the "Press A, guy shuffles over and says 'It shall be done' and auto-attacks" is not my style of combat. In that regard, I enjoyed DA2 a lot more. The story, however, was a bit of a mess and the setting just had no feel to it. Running through the same areas over and over and the big jumps in years between acts of the story it was just bad. I liked Varric though!

And yeah certainly DA2 was a disappointment both creatively and especially financially for BW/EA. I don't read anything into that for ME3 though due to it being a completely different team making the game (and huge preorder numbers means it at least won't be as big of a financial disappointment as DA2).

Had it been a quality game I would have been fine with it but one cave and one house what is supposed to be a top title was a joke. Bugs galore , missing AA , well the list goes on.

Thing with ME3.. It will sell more , but it looks like it cost significantly more to make too.Advertising alone must be in the 10's of millions. And we are still missing the end game reviews , whether or not there will be an embargo and what the Euro gaming press have to say.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Where can I preorder this perp? Gamestop don't like me anymore!

[BTCentral]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bio could still make From Ashes free, or free with new copies, or cost $2, or anything else that comes to mind, if they were actually in trouble over it.

Sure, if they wanted to refund every single CE owner the cost of said DLC - which, to state the obvious, is not going to happen.

They're not going to go start selling it for $2 either, because if they did, the next time DLC comes around and it is *shock horror* more than $2, they've created another issue.

[CommanderCoffee]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Where can I preorder this perp? Gamestop don't like me anymore!

What console you looking for?

[Zu Long]

HiroVoid wrote...

So anyone want to take a guess at how many pages this thread'll reach?

It'll probably keep going until the game comes out and everyone has better stuff to do. At least everyone who didn't go all preorder cancelled. Those people get to be sad.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

IMO, this DLC should have been part of ME3 and another "being" should have been used instead.

IT SPOILED THE EXPERIENCE!

Modifié par Gnaeus.Silvanus, 24 février 2012 - 11:51 .

[Niemack Saarinen]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Only problem with that is they'll automatically say (and they already just replied to your post)  "Oh it isnt about the money, it was never about the money"  "FREE"

[Loup Blanc]

I really don't give a **** about this DLC because I never purchased one piece of DLC.... ever. I have never supported nor will I ever support this business model. There is no Kasumi or Zaed in my Mass Effect.

This being said... I can certainly understand the outrage caused by this announce. Bioware digs its grave a little deeper and clearly is no longer the respectable developer it used to be.

Mass Effect 3 is a liberation. I will conclude my Shepard story and then goodbye Bioware. It's been good as long as it lasted.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Only problem with that is they'll automatically say (and they already just replied to your post)  "Oh it isnt about the money, it was never about the money"  "FREE"

Being a foo, I will still consider this DLC eventhough it feels it should have been part of the game.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

JL81 wrote...

I really don't give a **** about this DLC because I never purchased one piece of DLC.... ever. I have never supported nor will I ever support this business model. There is no Kasumi or Zaed in my Mass Effect.

This being said... I can certainly understand the outrage caused by this announce. Bioware digs its grave a little deeper and clearly is no longer the respectable developer it used to be.

Mass Effect 3 is a liberation. I will conclude my Shepard story and then goodbye Bioware. It's been good as long as it lasted.

I think I heard this before. But they just keep coming back!

[CkLynx]

There just better be a damn good story reason that this character exists.

[Loup Blanc]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

JL81 wrote...

I really don't give a **** about this DLC because I never purchased one piece of DLC.... ever. I have never supported nor will I ever support this business model. There is no Kasumi or Zaed in my Mass Effect.

This being said... I can certainly understand the outrage caused by this announce. Bioware digs its grave a little deeper and clearly is no longer the respectable developer it used to be.

Mass Effect 3 is a liberation. I will conclude my Shepard story and then goodbye Bioware. It's been good as long as it lasted.

I think I heard this before. But they just keep coming back!

Ha ! Well not me. I've had it with this company.

I have been saying it since the DA2 debacle and I will stick to it.

Modifié par JL81, 24 février 2012 - 11:57 .

[AkiKishi]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Only problem with that is they'll automatically say (and they already just replied to your post)  "Oh it isnt about the money, it was never about the money"  "FREE"

If they need to cover a cost like with MS or Sony and they actually have proof of that I think people will calm a bit. Then again I'm a forgiving sort of person.

It seems logical that they have to pay MS sony something since they are using their servers. May be wrong though.

[DJBare]

IT SPOILED THE EXPERIENCE!

For you.

I never expected a living prothean when I pre-ordered, and that's the crux, it's a relative view.

[AkiKishi]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

JL81 wrote...

I really don't give a **** about this DLC because I never purchased one piece of DLC.... ever. I have never supported nor will I ever support this business model. There is no Kasumi or Zaed in my Mass Effect.

This being said... I can certainly understand the outrage caused by this announce. Bioware digs its grave a little deeper and clearly is no longer the respectable developer it used to be.

Mass Effect 3 is a liberation. I will conclude my Shepard story and then goodbye Bioware. It's been good as long as it lasted.

I think I heard this before. But they just keep coming back!

Well a lot of people are just fans of ME/Shepard not Bioware. Once ME/Shepard is gone the hold is broken so to speak.
Just like a ton of people over on the DA forums won't touch ME with the proverbial 10ft pole.

A lot of people are going to swallow this because this is a series they have invested 5 years of thier lives in (hopefully not continuously) after all.

[Daywalker315]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...
Honestly, part of DA2 I liked. I liked the story of DA:O a lot but the "Press A, guy shuffles over and says 'It shall be done' and auto-attacks" is not my style of combat. In that regard, I enjoyed DA2 a lot more. The story, however, was a bit of a mess and the setting just had no feel to it. Running through the same areas over and over and the big jumps in years between acts of the story it was just bad. I liked Varric though!

And yeah certainly DA2 was a disappointment both creatively and especially financially for BW/EA. I don't read anything into that for ME3 though due to it being a completely different team making the game (and huge preorder numbers means it at least won't be as big of a financial disappointment as DA2).

Had it been a quality game I would have been fine with it but one cave and one house what is supposed to be a top title was a joke. Bugs galore , missing AA , well the list goes on.

Thing with ME3.. It will sell more , but it looks like it cost significantly more to make too.Advertising alone must be in the 10's of millions. And we are still missing the end game reviews , whether or not there will be an embargo and what the Euro gaming press have to say.

Euro PC ME buyer then? So those US preorder numbers don't mean much then huh? Haha. I'd definitely guess that the budget on this one was probably well above ME2 and certainly the marketing costs will be high by the time it's all said and done. But hey if they want to grab new buyers, they're going all out for it. They are trying to get the sales figures way up for this to launch it as a major franchise across games, movies, and so on. Personally though, I'd love to see an ME animated/CGI TV show like The Clone Wars. Or a CGI movie instead of a live action one because I'm afraid they will just butcher a live action one like every other video game movie. The difference is this is the first game movie I've ever really cared if it was good or not.

[jpzgoku]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60. The content is available at lauch and had been planned ahead of time because, apparently, months ago it was anounced that the more expenive CE would get an extra squad mate and mission. In every case for every other game that I know of the standard edition was the full game and the CE included stuff like artbooks or action figures or something like that. Not game content like missions and squadmates.

If we the consumers support companies who have first day DLC and withhold important game content for collectors editions then we are allowing for these practies to become the norm in the future. If this is successful for EA, Bioware then they will continue fragmenting their games and making it more expensive for us, the consumers, and other big developers will adopt the same policies because they know that they can get away with it.

Modifié par jpzgoku, 25 février 2012 - 12:07 .