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[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

Endgame22 wrote...

"All this said, there is a limit. Eventually companies will find a breaking point where they are simply taking too much away from games and charging too much on top of the original price so that it drives consumers away. As soon as the numbers stop adding up, the practice will reach a plateau. The problem is that we're not there yet, and though each new step forward takes us a little closer to that cutoff line, we simply haven't shown these companies that what they've done is truly that hurtful to us. If it was, these products and games simply would not sell, and the practice would be scaled back. And that isn't what's happening." Forbes Magazine about DLC's

Okay, I'm sympathetic toward those who maybe missing out on content, but hurtful?, really?, my gf dumping me is hurtful, my dog dying is hurtful, geeze guys, get a grip.

 

I don't about the  Girlfriend thing man - it depends If was  a crazy **** and dumped me before I could dump her.. then I'm calling the friends getting some beers and we are having a small party...

The dog though that always sucks

[jpzgoku]

DJBare wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60.

I want to see proof that SE is not the full game, unfortunately unless someone here has already got their hands on the SE and done a comparison by purchasing the DLC, then all this is just talk.

You just proved to yourself that the SE is not the complete game. The SE plus the $10 launch DLC is the full game.

[DJBare]

jpzgoku wrote...
This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it. The Full game, which has all the content is the collectors edition, because it has all the content. The full game now costs more than $60.

EA and Bioware have successfully incresed the price of the game without annoucing that full game costs $70. This is because some consumers are not smart enough to see what is really going on here.

You are of course correct, but some of us are fully aware, but I damn well not going to let it spoil my enjoyment of the last chapter in Shepards story, see what I did there?, not Javiks story, Shepards story.

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60. The content is available at lauch and had been planned ahead of time because, apparently, months ago it was anounced that the more expenive CE would get an extra squad mate and mission. In every case for every other game that I know of the standard edition was the full game and the CE included stuff like artbooks or action figures or something like that. Not game content like missions and squadmates.

If we the consumers support companies who have first day DLC and withhold important game content for collectors editions then we are allowing for these practies to become the norm in the future. If this is successful for EA, Bioware then they will continue ****menting their games and making it more expensive for us, the consumers, and other big developers will adopt the same policies because they know that they can get away with it.

It's not important game content.  It's all auxillary.  It may be important to you as a fan of the lore, but it's not to the game itself. 

I don't agree with how it's being handled, but don't be claiming that it's a part of the full game when it is not.

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it. The Full game, which has all the content is the collectors edition, because it has all the content. The full game now costs more than $60.

EA and Bioware have successfully incresed the price of the game without annoucing that full game costs $70. This is because some consumers are not smart enough to see what is really going on here.

No, it was planned to be developed separately from the main game, and completed when the game was in certification.  The full retail copy is the same in both editions.  Everything else is extra content OFFERED to you.

So instead of insulting the rest of the consumers out there, why don't you look at yourself first and make sure your information is correct before you going on with dribble.

[jpzgoku]

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60. The content is available at lauch and had been planned ahead of time because, apparently, months ago it was anounced that the more expenive CE would get an extra squad mate and mission. In every case for every other game that I know of the standard edition was the full game and the CE included stuff like artbooks or action figures or something like that. Not game content like missions and squadmates.

If we the consumers support companies who have first day DLC and withhold important game content for collectors editions then we are allowing for these practies to become the norm in the future. If this is successful for EA, Bioware then they will continue ****menting their games and making it more expensive for us, the consumers, and other big developers will adopt the same policies because they know that they can get away with it.

It's not important game content.  It's all auxillary.  It may be important to you as a fan of the lore, but it's not to the game itself. 

I don't agree with how it's being handled, but don't be claiming that it's a part of the full game when it is not.

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it. The Full game, which has all the content is the collectors edition, because it has all the content. The full game now costs more than $60.

EA and Bioware have successfully incresed the price of the game without annoucing that full game costs $70. This is because some consumers are not smart enough to see what is really going on here.

The game discs in the CE and SE are exactly the same.  From Ashes is a DLC for the CE as well, they just get a code for it.

Ok. So the CE package is the full game while the SE package is not. I agree with you.

[obie191970]

Biosargent wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

I wonder if anyone realized that the download size for the DLC was over 700MB. No, I don't believe this to be a DLC. Not a file that size, it would had to be an expansion pack as far as I believe. The Prothean has always been part of Mass Effect lore, regardless of their irrelevance in ME2. Something this big and this important has got to be part of the original content. Even some of the peeps hacked into the demo to find audio files OF THE PROTHEAN SPEAKING! Now argue about that.

Kasumi was a bigger download than From Ashes.  So, please stop with the conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah what about Kasumi? I bet she costed more than 10 bucks too? She basically like Zaeed almost has no dialogue at all aside from unique on mission dialogue. And She basically has one mission to her. And her pricing is lower then FroM ashes.

Kasumi was $7.  And this DLC only has one mission as well.  But you're also getting additional costumes for each character and a new weapon.  It's pretty much in line with the pricing of ME's previous DLC.

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

DJBare wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60.

I want to see proof that SE is not the full game, unfortunately unless someone here has already got their hands on the SE and done a comparison by purchasing the DLC, then all this is just talk.

You just proved to yourself that the SE is not the complete game. The SE plus the $10 launch DLC is the full game.

That is not what was said.  Stop twisting words to fit your flawed argument.

[jpzgoku]

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it.

No, it was planned and then began being worked on during confirmation and testing. No content was removed from the base game, stop ignoring the facts.

This is sad. 

[RiouHotaru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Wow that's worse than I expected by a long shot. I'm actually stunned.

CE's are limited so you can't judge on sold out CEs totally meaningless.

Wait...woah woah.

Worse?  Almost a million preorders is a BAD thing?

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hey so I was thinking, and I almost made a new thread for this ... but would anybody who is up in arms about this be cooled off just a little if BioWare were to compromise and say "hey guys, we apologize for the way this was handled but this was developed after the main game and we need to recoup some of our cost spent on the project. How about we offer it for $5 instead of $10?"

I realize this doesn't accomplish getting it included with your game but if they were to extend that olive branch, would it help anybody out there to feel a little more OK about it? This is just something that crossed my mind.

Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60. The content is available at lauch and had been planned ahead of time because, apparently, months ago it was anounced that the more expenive CE would get an extra squad mate and mission. In every case for every other game that I know of the standard edition was the full game and the CE included stuff like artbooks or action figures or something like that. Not game content like missions and squadmates.

If we the consumers support companies who have first day DLC and withhold important game content for collectors editions then we are allowing for these practies to become the norm in the future. If this is successful for EA, Bioware then they will continue ****menting their games and making it more expensive for us, the consumers, and other big developers will adopt the same policies because they know that they can get away with it.

It's not important game content.  It's all auxillary.  It may be important to you as a fan of the lore, but it's not to the game itself. 

I don't agree with how it's being handled, but don't be claiming that it's a part of the full game when it is not.

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it. The Full game, which has all the content is the collectors edition, because it has all the content. The full game now costs more than $60.

EA and Bioware have successfully incresed the price of the game without annoucing that full game costs $70. This is because some consumers are not smart enough to see what is really going on here.

No, it was planned to be developed separately from the main game, and completed when the game was in certification.  The full retail copy is the same in both editions.  Everything else is extra content OFFERED to you.

So instead of insulting the rest of the consumers out there, why don't you look at yourself first and make sure your information is correct before you going on with dribble.

This is sad. 

[CommanderCoffee]

Biosargent wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

I wonder if anyone realized that the download size for the DLC was over 700MB. No, I don't believe this to be a DLC. Not a file that size, it would had to be an expansion pack as far as I believe. The Prothean has always been part of Mass Effect lore, regardless of their irrelevance in ME2. Something this big and this important has got to be part of the original content. Even some of the peeps hacked into the demo to find audio files OF THE PROTHEAN SPEAKING! Now argue about that.

Kasumi was a bigger download than From Ashes.  So, please stop with the conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah what about Kasumi? I bet she costed more than 10 bucks too? She basically like Zaeed almost has no dialogue at all aside from unique on mission dialogue. And She basically has one mission to her. And her pricing is lower then FroM ashes.

The bigger install was likely due to new resources added to her mission (Statue of Liberty Head, anyone?). With Kasumi's DLC, you got a mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and that's it. 

From Ashes gives a new mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and what appears to be 6 new skins. 

Remember the ME2 skin packs? About $2.50 each, right?

$7 + $5 = $12

Technically, Bioware could charge $2 more for this DLC, but they didn't. They cut out $2, and yet you're still getting more than Kasumi's DLC. Hell, we don't know what effect Javis will have on the core game. He is likely to end up being as silent as Kasumi and Zaeed are on the Normandy. Is that really worth saying that the DLC is essential to ME3?

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it.

No, it was planned and then began being worked on during confirmation and testing. No content was removed from the base game, stop ignoring the facts.

This is sad. 

Yes, your posts are quite so.  If you can't accept evidence, then you shouldn't be responding to anyone.

[Azure33]

Let me guess, ME3 will end in a cliffhanger only to be completed in the most expensive DLC of all time(but first we will get 5 other DLC components that are $10 each and slowly build to the finale). Day zero DLC lays bare that ME3 is just going to be a cash grab. Better to just avoid the whole thing altogether and play something where the content marketing isn't so absurdly aggressive.

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

DJBare wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60.

I want to see proof that SE is not the full game, unfortunately unless someone here has already got their hands on the SE and done a comparison by purchasing the DLC, then all this is just talk.

You just proved to yourself that the SE is not the complete game. The SE plus the $10 launch DLC is the full game.

That is not what was said.  Stop twisting words to fit your flawed argument.

Read your own comment. I did not twist anything. You said to compare the CE to the SE plus the $10 launch DLC. Did you not?

[ArkkAngel007]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

I wonder if anyone realized that the download size for the DLC was over 700MB. No, I don't believe this to be a DLC. Not a file that size, it would had to be an expansion pack as far as I believe. The Prothean has always been part of Mass Effect lore, regardless of their irrelevance in ME2. Something this big and this important has got to be part of the original content. Even some of the peeps hacked into the demo to find audio files OF THE PROTHEAN SPEAKING! Now argue about that.

Kasumi was a bigger download than From Ashes.  So, please stop with the conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah what about Kasumi? I bet she costed more than 10 bucks too? She basically like Zaeed almost has no dialogue at all aside from unique on mission dialogue. And She basically has one mission to her. And her pricing is lower then FroM ashes.

The bigger install was likely due to new resources added to her mission (Statue of Liberty Head, anyone?). With Kasumi's DLC, you got a mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and that's it. 

From Ashes gives a new mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and what appears to be 6 new skins. 

Remember the ME2 skin packs? About $2.50 each, right?

$7 + $5 = $12

Technically, Bioware could charge $2 more for this DLC, but they didn't. They cut out $2, and yet you're still getting more than Kasumi's DLC. Hell, we don't know what effect Javis will have on the core game. He is likely to end up being as silent as Kasumi and Zaeed are on the Normandy. Is that really worth saying that the DLC is essential to ME3?

Javik has squad banter with other squadmates, especially with Liara.  Aside from being a squadmate, that is the only affect he seems to have outside of his DLC.

[ZX12r Ninja]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

For someone who played ME2, and I assume ME1, he should already know how it will be handled.

I already wrote about this and you wrote a reply to it so I would expect you knew what I think about that topic. As a reminder.

http://social.biowar...705/230#9430496

Adding to this, now that From Ashes has definetly been announced and we know what a Prothean looks like we can speculate about the statues on Ilos. The statues don't look like Prothean at all, more like Husks. So it's almost safe to say Ilos and the "Husk technology" also came from some other species.

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 12:35 .

[Larac]

DLC was used to Combat the Evil Used Game Buyers, and if you bought the game you got it for free

Then DA2 came out a rushed game that was done to make EA money quickly

Now the DLC is 10 Day one, and the little petty money grubbing doctor wants you the believe his lies again.

Profit on your sale is OK, you worked hard, make some money.
Trying to get Oil Company sized Profits because you know you can FU your customers, is just wrong.
If it was not wrong he would not have been here trying to make it seem ok.

I am sure all this went my legal, as I told a Co worker once, this is wrong and will make the customer unhappy, his reply was Legal said it was ok.
My Reply was if you have to ask Legal then you already KNOW your wrong.
The Company who at that time had 3 billion stored and owned all of its factories was gone in less than 4 years.

Bioware was gone the second they sold off to EA, they are just in the shakes from death.

They deserve no goodwill from anyone, they have become Corp Drones, and are for ever loss.

Pitty is all they should ever receive and never a dollar more, from a public they are taking advantage of.

Long time fan
Lost faith
Then 3 strikes your out, Bioware is lost.

Lee
Older than dirt and saw this happen to the greats one by one but Bioware did it JUST for the money, not to stay afloat or to do better things, only to be richer than Joe Blow.

He

[jpzgoku]

Azure33 wrote...

Let me guess, ME3 will end in a cliffhanger only to be completed in the most expensive DLC of all time(but first we will get 5 other DLC components that are $10 each and slowly build to the finale). Day zero DLC lays bare that ME3 is just going to be a cash grab. Better to just avoid the whole thing altogether and play something where the content marketing isn't so absurdly aggressive.

This is how gaming will end up, if we allow it to happen, which we are, by supporting developers who get away with fragmenting their games for extra money.

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

DJBare wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Ur missing the point. The problem is that Bioware, EA is fragmenting their game so that if the consumer wants the full game they need to dish out more than $60.

I want to see proof that SE is not the full game, unfortunately unless someone here has already got their hands on the SE and done a comparison by purchasing the DLC, then all this is just talk.

You just proved to yourself that the SE is not the complete game. The SE plus the $10 launch DLC is the full game.

That is not what was said.  Stop twisting words to fit your flawed argument.

Read your own comment. I did not twist anything. You said to compare the CE to the SE plus the $10 launch DLC. Did you not?

He said to compare a version with the complete retail game with the DLC added to it to the complete retail copy to indicate whether or not the absence of the DLC makes the game incomplete.

He did not say that the game was not complete, so yes, you twisted his words.

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it.

No, it was planned and then began being worked on during confirmation and testing. No content was removed from the base game, stop ignoring the facts.

This is sad. 

Yes, your posts are quite so.  If you can't accept evidence, then you shouldn't be responding to anyone.

Ok show me your evidence.

[CommanderCoffee]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

I wonder if anyone realized that the download size for the DLC was over 700MB. No, I don't believe this to be a DLC. Not a file that size, it would had to be an expansion pack as far as I believe. The Prothean has always been part of Mass Effect lore, regardless of their irrelevance in ME2. Something this big and this important has got to be part of the original content. Even some of the peeps hacked into the demo to find audio files OF THE PROTHEAN SPEAKING! Now argue about that.

Kasumi was a bigger download than From Ashes.  So, please stop with the conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah what about Kasumi? I bet she costed more than 10 bucks too? She basically like Zaeed almost has no dialogue at all aside from unique on mission dialogue. And She basically has one mission to her. And her pricing is lower then FroM ashes.

The bigger install was likely due to new resources added to her mission (Statue of Liberty Head, anyone?). With Kasumi's DLC, you got a mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and that's it. 

From Ashes gives a new mission, a new gun, a new squadmate, and what appears to be 6 new skins. 

Remember the ME2 skin packs? About $2.50 each, right?

$7 + $5 = $12

Technically, Bioware could charge $2 more for this DLC, but they didn't. They cut out $2, and yet you're still getting more than Kasumi's DLC. Hell, we don't know what effect Javis will have on the core game. He is likely to end up being as silent as Kasumi and Zaeed are on the Normandy. Is that really worth saying that the DLC is essential to ME3?

Javik has squad banter with other squadmates, especially with Liara.  Aside from being a squadmate, that is the only affect he seems to have outside of his DLC.

But he's not handing you a kill-the-Reapers weapon, he's not going to advance the plot anywhere beyond his DLC mission. All he's there to do is broaden the universe as a whole. Meanwhile, as Bioware has said before, this game is about stopping the Reapers once and for all. Is broadening the universe really going to stop the Reapers? No, it's not. It'll give hardcore fans some nice insight, but it doesn't make the game "winnable". That is reliant on what the players do.

[ZX12r Ninja]

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.