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[jwillis7]

So my problem with this day one DLC character thing.

OK so in ME2 we had Zaeed that was given to everyone who bought the game, gamefly people and people who buy used had to buy it separate. To me Zaeed was what i expected from a DLC character, no talking on the ship just added to give your squad some flavor.

in DA2 you had the prince...i upgraded to the signature edition so got him for free too, but he was WAY different than Zaeed to me. Sebastian seemed to be a key player in the story he to me had just as much content as everyone else. Now this bothered me. even though i got it for free it felt like they had him in game and then took him out just to make some more money.

So the idea of day one DLC character was not unexpected its just that, even though i am getting it with my game i feel cheated. Day one DLC should be in all games sold on day one, put a code on the receipt for your loyal fans.

[ArkkAngel007]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

For someone who played ME2, and I assume ME1, he should already know how it will be handled.

I already wrote about this and you wrote a reply to it so I would expect you knew what I think about that topic. As a reminder.

http://social.biowar...705/230#9430496

Adding to this, now that From Ashes has definetly been announced and we know what a Prothean looks like we can speculate about the statues on Ilos. The statues don't look like Prothean at all, more like Husks. So it's almost safe to say Ilos and the "Husk technology" also came from some other species.

Oh, I was just saying how the DLC will present itself in the game, in that if you don't have the DLC, you wouldn't even know it was missing.  Past DLC presented itself as a message sent to the player in some shape or form, or a character's appearence, if the DLC is downloaded and installed.  However, you won't get any indication in the game of the missions/characters if you don't have the DLC.

[Argors]

Endgame22 wrote...

"All this said, there is a limit. Eventually companies will find a breaking point where they are simply taking too much away from games and charging too much on top of the original price so that it drives consumers away. As soon as the numbers stop adding up, the practice will reach a plateau. The problem is that we're not there yet, and though each new step forward takes us a little closer to that cutoff line, we simply haven't shown these companies that what they've done is truly that hurtful to us. If it was, these products and games simply would not sell, and the practice would be scaled back. And that isn't what's happening." Forbes Magazine about DLC's

I do not agree, we have seen EA do this before many times when Bioware games do not sell because EA forces short deadlines and greedy DlC they will close them down and move on to buy out the next and do the same. How many times does this have to happen ?

[_symphony]

I do believe that the SE is the full game and you aren't missing out anything without the DLC.

But that doesn't change that leaving out a prothean character unless you pay $10 is like a low blow to ME fans.

[DJBare]

I'll say it again, if you want to protest, make this your last purchase from EA/Bioware, don't let bad business practice ruin your own enjoyment by denying yourself the last in the series, this is it guys, it's the end of Shepards story, do you really feel it's worth denying yourselves because some **** in marketing came up with an idea to screw you over, seriously think about it, EA/Bioware will still be there long after you have gone.

[JosephCurwen]

Larac wrote...

I am sure all this went my legal, as I told a Co worker once, this is wrong and will make the customer unhappy, his reply was Legal said it was ok.
My Reply was if you have to ask Legal then you already KNOW your wrong.
The Company who at that time had 3 billion stored and owned all of its factories was gone in less than 4 years.

Very true, I've had virtually the same experience myself.

[ArkkAngel007]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.

Remember, BioWare are dirty, rotten liars?

Anyways, I will either PM or have a way for the evidence to be viewed.  Not sending the files from the demo though.  That you can look at those for yourself if you have the means to do so, jpzgoku. 

[fetissimies]

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

[ArkkAngel007]

DJBare wrote...

I'll say it again, if you want to protest, make this your last purchase from EA/Bioware, don't let bad business practice ruin your own enjoyment by denying yourself the last in the series, this is it guys, it's the end of Shepards story, do you really feel it's worth denying yourselves because some **** in marketing came up with an idea to screw you over, seriously think about it, EA/Bioware will still be there long after you have gone.

Or don't buy the DLC.  The game is complete without it, so if you don't like the nickle-and-diming, boycott the DLC.

[obie191970]

Argors wrote...

Endgame22 wrote...

"All this said, there is a limit. Eventually companies will find a breaking point where they are simply taking too much away from games and charging too much on top of the original price so that it drives consumers away. As soon as the numbers stop adding up, the practice will reach a plateau. The problem is that we're not there yet, and though each new step forward takes us a little closer to that cutoff line, we simply haven't shown these companies that what they've done is truly that hurtful to us. If it was, these products and games simply would not sell, and the practice would be scaled back. And that isn't what's happening." Forbes Magazine about DLC's

I do not agree, we have seen EA do this before many times when Bioware games do not sell because EA forces short deadlines and greedy DlC they will close them down and move on to buy out the next and do the same. How many times does this have to happen ?

Right, because EA shuts down companies with Bioware's pedigree on a fairly consistent basis....

[jpzgoku]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.

That is the most naieve thing I have ever heard. U think Bioware cares about you and is your bud huh? They care more about you than they care about money?
And so you don't have proof?

[CommanderCoffee]

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That guy cannot be healthy. 

[ZX12r Ninja]

Okey, after Totaly Biscuit put his video on the interwebs I sent him an email telling him my side of the story. I was waiting for a reply but it looks like this issue is fading fast. So in the interest of expressing my side to a wider audience I'll post it here too.

Hi,

You've caused quiet a stir with your video about Mass Effect 3 and it's day-1 DLC From Ashes. Although I admire your courage to voice your opinion in a civilized and correct manner, I totally disagree with you.

First off you say it's content incomplete and the Prothean is a huge thing, why are you so sure of this? You do not have access to the content yet and you have no way of knowing what we are going to get and what the final story is going to be. What do you expect from this Prothean? Do you expect it to give us a history lesson? Which is not going to happen and would be very boring to be honest. We know the Protheans were a space fearing species who lived 50.000 years ago, they were the last victims of this cycle which is going on, they were attacked by the Reapers and because of problems of harvesting them the Reapers re purposed them as the collectors and they now serve/used to serve the Reapers. We know just about everything we need to know about the Protheans.

You say you are entitled to every piece of content pre launch, why is this? You draw analogies with the movie industry but content gets cut in the movie industry all the time. The process in the movie industry is as follows, first there is a rough "editor's cut", from there the director produces a "director's cut" and finally the studio produces a "final cut". Content gets cut all the time, from games, books and movies. Sometimes the content which was cut from movies later on is release as a director's cut edition, like for instance Lord of the Rings. All three LoTR movies has a "Theatrical Edition" and an "Extended Edition", the theatrical editions were the same as what we had seen in theater and the extended edition was the one with extra footage and some other extra's, they might have named it extended edition but it actually was the director's cut with more stuff thrown in. What we've seen from these director's cut editions is that they do add extra footage which is always nice and they do add to the story but if the cutting is done properly the footage is not crucial to understanding the story or the lore.

We see similar behavior in some games too. Levels, maps, guns, content gets cut form games all the time and sometimes later on gets released as an addon or pack. Usually the story behind these addons or packs is: "Okey, we cut this from the game during development because we felt it had nothing to add but still think some fans might enjoy it so we are releasing it separately" and yet again there's nothing wrong with this. It's a process to make sure the main game stays exciting and challenging and doesn't get too long or boring because of nonsense maps or levels, yet again if done correctly this cutting shouldn't affect anything in the main story or the lore. I say if it's done properly because I'm sure there are some examples out there which disprove me and if this were to be the case with ME3 and if Bioware did in fact cut crucial content then you are right and Bioware is the devil but as of now there is no indication to this and there also no reason for us to assume this.

So as an extend to what is written above, why do you assume the worst? Why do you assume the cutting of content leaves you with an incomplete game? Why do you assume this Prothean is so important? Why do you assume this Prothean won't feature in the game anyway? Any number of possibilities are available right now. It could be the Prothean is in the story but for it to become a squad member you have to have the DLC. Why was this Prothean squadmember cut then you ask? Well very simple, the only one able to communicate with this Prothean is Shepard himself. According the ME1 and ME2, Shepard, Liara and Shaila are the only three people who posses the Chiper and thus are the only three people able to understand this Prothean. Liara is on the shadow brokers base with no prospect of her getting of the ship and Shaila was helping the colonists on Zhu's Hope so that's a bit sketchy as well. If a Prothean were to join the squad in the main story Shepard would be the only person able to communicate with this Prothean, anything else would completely destroy the meaning and purpose of the chiper. So they could've decided to add this as an extra as it would be too complicated to write it in to the main story but yet it's something fans of the series would appreciate and thus they put it in the collectors edition.

I can think of any number of scenario's in which having the Prothean as a squadmate wouldn't matter at all but as of yet it's just speculation and it is meaningless for me to complain about it. It is much too early to speculate about what is going on and it is much too early to start a rant about it. This is also the main reason why I disagree with you, you make the assumption that Bioware deliberately cut essential and crucial parts of the game to sell it to us as a DLC while in fact you have absolutely no basis nor an indication to that this is happening or going to happen.

I'm very much looking forward to what you have to say about my point of view and hopefully I was able to change your mind on a few things.

Greetings,

[obie191970]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That guy cannot be healthy. 

Doh!  I was thinking the same exact thing.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Biosargent wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Biosargent wrote...

I wonder if anyone realized that the download size for the DLC was over 700MB. No, I don't believe this to be a DLC. Not a file that size, it would had to be an expansion pack as far as I believe. The Prothean has always been part of Mass Effect lore, regardless of their irrelevance in ME2. Something this big and this important has got to be part of the original content. Even some of the peeps hacked into the demo to find audio files OF THE PROTHEAN SPEAKING! Now argue about that.

Kasumi was a bigger download than From Ashes.  So, please stop with the conspiracy theories.

Oh yeah what about Kasumi? I bet she costed more than 10 bucks too? She basically like Zaeed almost has no dialogue at all aside from unique on mission dialogue. And She basically has one mission to her. And her pricing is lower then FroM ashes.

You DO know that there's more than the Prothean with that DLC? 

To be honest, I think people are more angry about the notion of DLC in gaming to begin with. Some complain about a lot of DLC aren't really relevant of shaking things up as far as how you feel about a game or extending it.

Some complain that do all you can for a game and everything that didn't make it should be just eliminated and only heard about in documentaries of what could have been (which I think is not smart in today's businesss). Look what happened when From Software thought about DLC much after the game. Customers can really make a difference. So, if you voice your opinions by all means do it. But do it smartly.

Some of you are hypocrites based on the fact how Bioware has done Collector Editions before and their current slow unveiling of the Prothean DLC, some of it being leaked.  They said for SOME time they would have an exclusive character and mission for the Collector's Edition. They Delivered with an AWESOME one at that. It's one of the reasons why you bought the CEin the first place (in addition to the other goodies). And you're mad that it's so good now that it's revealed that it should be in the SE period? I think that logic fails. 

Mind you, this is the last game of the trilogy; thus it's only fair that a great deal of content that is exciting in anyway that is exclusive be really awesome. 

Not EVERYONE had that logic to why they think this is wrong, but a HUGE deal have which is flawed beyond being saved. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[Yuoaman]

obie191970 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That guy cannot be healthy. 

Doh!  I was thinking the same exact thing.

That is in no way relevant. What is relevant is what he is saying.

[jpzgoku]

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.

That is the most naieve thing I have ever heard. U think Bioware cares about you and is your bud huh? They care more about you than they care about money?
And so you don't have proof?

Doing a little research on game and DLC development will provide you all the proof you need that, in this case, you're wrong. You would be right if we were discussing Epic and their weapon skins.

Oh ya? How so? You said that you have proof to back up your statments, yet you have provided none thus far.

[CommanderCoffee]

Yuoaman wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That guy cannot be healthy. 

Doh!  I was thinking the same exact thing.

That is in no way relevant. What is relevant is what he is saying.

Nothing in this topic is, or has been, relevant to anything since the first post. It's all back-and-forth namecalling and whining, with no actual drive or purpose besides complaining.

[ArkkAngel007]

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.

That is the most naieve thing I have ever heard. U think Bioware cares about you and is your bud huh? They care more about you than they care about money?
And so you don't have proof?

Doing a little research on game and DLC development will provide you all the proof you need that, in this case, you're wrong. You would be right if we were discussing Epic and their weapon skins.

I PM'd him a link to the spoiler group, so if he isn't convinced just by that alone, then he's just wasting both his and our time over this issue (not that we aren't wasting our time talking about a video game^_^).

[Yuoaman]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That guy cannot be healthy. 

Doh!  I was thinking the same exact thing.

That is in no way relevant. What is relevant is what he is saying.

Nothing in this topic is, or has been, relevant to anything since the first post. It's all back-and-forth namecalling and whining, with no actual drive or purpose besides complaining.

I have not once namecalled or whined in thread - and the only reason I am complaining is that I truly disagree with what EA is doing here.

[ZX12r Ninja]

jpzgoku wrote...

That is the most naieve thing I have ever heard. U think Bioware cares about you and is your bud huh? They care more about you than they care about money?
And so you don't have proof?

Do you have any proof of it being other wise?

[Evilelf007]

_symphony wrote...

I do believe that the SE is the full game and you aren't missing out anything without the DLC.

But that doesn't change that leaving out a prothean character unless you pay $10 is like a low blow to ME fans.

No, because it's a CE special character.  Bioware has decided that since there is such demand for the content, that they would make it available to all who want it, thus changed it from exclusive to an added dlc.

The CE owners paid for it, thus should the SE owners.  IMO that is perfectly fine.

[ZX12r Ninja]

fetissimies wrote...

I recommend watching this analysis



It's really insightful

That's the same guy who put this up...



Enough said!

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 12:55 .