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[jpzgoku]

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

Read the entire thread and you'll see me posting the proof multiple times as well as several others. If you won't look it up yourself; if you don't look up the facts and have real counterpoints besides "They're wrong because I say so", which is really how you're coming off, then don't expect anyone to consider your opinion as anything more than invalid.

It is very naive to automatically accept that a company always tells the truth, but it is equally naive to believe that a company is trying to screw you based on nothing beyond the fact that you do not like something regardless of it's legitimacy.

Ok you don't have proof thats fine.

I do. Re-read my post and then go back 20+ pages in the thread and you will see it. It is your job to inform yourself so you are not ignorant, not mine.

You said that you have proof yet you have provided none. I am willing to drop it if you quit faking that you have proof.

[Bravery1282]

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

[heart again]

DJBare wrote...

heart again wrote...

Yeah meaning they knew they may give others a chance to get it?  Kinda like how you could get Normandy codes with the Facebook app

The whole point is, regardless of the other content, nothing in that image says it was originally to be exclusive, now if it had stated "exclusive squad and mission DLC" then people have an argument, currently it's up in the air.

So are you saying everything that doesn't say exclusive should be included with the SE?  That would be a ****ty way to market a CE.   

Nope, it just means that there may be other aways to access those items, not for free...

[addiction21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

So is Deception still ba-

Wait, wrong thread... Is From Ashes still contentious?

Apparently so.  I swear we went over the current arguments a 100 pages or so back...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

[heart again]

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

Exactly what I'm saying.

[GuyIncognito21]

I don't even see the relevance of whether it was to be CE exclusive. That would have just made the situation worse, as they would have been demanding essentially $20 (or 20 pounds for the Brits, which is outrageous in its own right) for it instead of $10.

If the prothean character and the mission contribute something tangible to the game, it should have been included in the game from the jump.

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

[obie191970]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

aLucidMind wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Ok show me your evidence.

Uuuuum... Bioware said so and there is absolutely no reason for us to assume otherwise.

That is the most naieve thing I have ever heard. U think Bioware cares about you and is your bud huh? They care more about you than they care about money?
And so you don't have proof?

Doing a little research on game and DLC development will provide you all the proof you need that, in this case, you're wrong. You would be right if we were discussing Epic and their weapon skins.

I PM'd him a link to the spoiler group, so if he isn't convinced just by that alone, then he's just wasting both his and our time over this issue (not that we aren't wasting our time talking about a video game^_^).

Ok thanks, I'm not going to read that and I can't even remember what our argument is about, but let me get on tract to my main point here;

What do you gain from paying extra money to bioware for content that has been free in every other game in history that i know of. Games used to ship with all thier content, but we consumers are allowing that to change by supporting content to be fragmented from that game and sold for an extra fee, wheter it be DLC or Collectors Editions. Content that is available before lanuch should be included in the game. A complany saying that it is not meant to be in the standard game is not justification for withholding contet for an extra fee. The only reason I am on this forum is to try to get people make smarter purcahasing decisions so that these practices do not become the norm in the future. But for some reason people are offened by this. It is baffeling. The company exists to make money and dose not care about you. If they can get away with selling the full game at $70 then it makes sense for them to do it because they make more money. That is what is happening with ME3 and the only way to stop this from happening is to not support companies who have adopted these policies.

What do people gain from defending a price hike on these games? Why do people defend the idea that witholding content for extra $. I am being as nice as possible about this, not here to offend. I would like to understand these peoples thoughts. I do not wish for this to become a flame war. I am trying, most likey in vain, for this to be productive.

One thing to think about is that while the cost to develop a game has skyrocketed since this generation began, the price of games has not increased at all.  So, a company is going to do everything within their power to get back some of that revenue.  I realize it's an expensive hobby to us, but it's an expensive business to them.  Justification or not, that is the underlying issue.

[TheGoddess0fWar]

_symphony wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

No Ark. Everything in the CE was designed to be EXCLUSIVE. End of point. Seriously, but of ungrateful up in this thread. Everything else listed on the features is exclusive to the CE, why wouldn't Prothy be? Oh, that's because they are deciding to release it. TO EVERYONE.

oh man, allow me to laugh. You have absolutely no way to support that claim, yet you say it with such chest-pounding confidence that's almost cute.

I'm sorry you missed out on your CE. Truly.

[obie191970]

addiction21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

So is Deception still ba-

Wait, wrong thread... Is From Ashes still contentious?

Apparently so.  I swear we went over the current arguments a 100 pages or so back...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

Short memories forget Warden's Keep was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else.

[DJBare]

heart again wrote...


So are you saying everything that doesn't say exclusive should be included with the SE?  That would be a ****ty way to market a CE.  

No, not what I'm saying at all, it's possible the other content can be purchased later on, I don't know their plan, for some odd reason they don't want to reveal their secrets to an annonymous internet user

[Kevin Lozandier]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

We don't know that as far as being tangible to story. If we did, this argument would be pretty one-sided.

However, you're flawed with the Zaeed thing.. Is it not a artist's job who is making something on other people's money be bought a lot? They were supposed to not outdo their previous DLC? They weren't supposed to do a proper CE for the final-game of the series? 

You're even more flawed with the if it didn't mean much to the core, don't make it. Again: They said for SOME time they would have an exclusive character and mission for the Collector's Edition. They Delivered with an AWESOME one at that. It's one of the reasons why you bought the CEin the first place (in addition to the other goodies). And you're mad that it's so good now that it's revealed that it should be in the SE period? I think that logic fails.  

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[jpzgoku]

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

[heart again]

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Then why did no one say a word months and months ago when the CE was announced?

Modifié par heart again, 25 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[obie191970]

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

[jpzgoku]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

I don't even see the relevance of whether it was to be CE exclusive. That would have just made the situation worse, as they would have been demanding essentially $20 (or 20 pounds for the Brits, which is outrageous in its own right) for it instead of $10.

If the prothean character and the mission contribute something tangible to the game, it should have been included in the game from the jump.

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

Completley agree. The problem is that we, the consumers, are allowing this to happen by supporting these developers. Because we allow it, the full game now costs $70: the SE and $10 day 1 DLC.

[Monochrome Wench]

heart again wrote...

Then why did no one say a word months and months ago when the CE was announced?

Because at the time *they* didn't think they would actually want it.

[heart again]

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

[H1natachan]

jpzgoku wrote...


This content was planned and is completed before launch, then they decidied to withohold it for extra money because consumers will dish out extra money for it. The Full game, which has all the content is the collectors edition, because it has all the content. The full game now costs more than $60.

EA and Bioware have successfully incresed the price of the game without annoucing that full game costs $70. This is because some consumers are not smart enough to see what is really going on here.

Glad there's at least someone else that see's this

[ZX12r Ninja]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

No....The "Additional Squad Mate and Mission" was originally planned to be CE Exclusive. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.



Oh...what's that? What could that "Additional Mission and Character" be? Mind boggling.

But not designated as exclusive, unlike the rest of the DLC items offered that were designated as such.

I don't understand the problem here... At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive and then they turned around and offered it to SE for 10 bucks extra. So they shouldn't have offered it to SE buyers?

[GuyIncognito21]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Is it not a artist's job who is making something on other people's money be bought a lot? They were supposed to not outdo their previous DLC? They weren't supposed to do a proper CE for the final-game of the series? 

You're even more flawed with the if it didn't mean much to the core, don't make it. Again: They said for SOME time they would have an exclusive character and mission for the Collector's Edition. They Delivered with an AWESOME one at that. It's one of the reasons why you bought the CEin the first place (in addition to the other goodies). And you're mad that it's so good now that it's revealed that it should be in the SE period? I think that logic fails.  

The problem is that when "outdoing their previous DLC," which I'm sure we all agree is their prerogative, crosses the line into withholding content that should have been in the actual game, it goes from acceptable to unacceptable.

The makers of Madden could "outdo" their DLC by making entire teams into DLC content, but if they cut teams out of the regular game to do it then that's not OK.

DLC that complements the full experience is one thing, DLC that is necessary in order to HAVE a full experience is something else.

[breadedpudding]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

heart again wrote...

Then why did no one say a word months and months ago when the CE was announced?

Because at the time *they* didn't think they would actually want it.

Which is kind of odd in a sense, because I recall when I ordered the CE last summer, "The Prothean" was listed as being the character you would receive when you ordered the CE.

[jpzgoku]

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

And it was not taken out of the main game.  It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process. 

Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost?  No.  But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.

And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple.  It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter.  What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.

[addiction21]

obie191970 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

Short memories forget Warden's Keep was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else.

No I remember it clearly. The same cries of "it is day one DLC so it should of been included for everyone" "its Importent lore to the game" "I shouldnt have to pay for it since those with the special editions get it for free"

What was your point?