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[RDSFirebane]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

I don't understand the problem here... At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive and then they turned around and offered it to SE for 10 bucks extra. So they shouldn't have offered it to SE buyers?

^ pretty much all the SE guys have done is complained that it was taken *out* of their game even though they have no way to prove that what so ever and now have to pay 10 bucks for something they dont need but place value own. Just shows being nice and shareing can back fire on you.

[heart again]

addiction21 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

Short memories forget Warden's Keep was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else.

No I remember it clearly. The same cries of "it is day one DLC so it should of been included for everyone" "its Importent lore to the game" "I shouldnt have to pay for it since those with the special editions get it for free"

What was your point?

Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

[Kevin Lozandier]

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Not acceptable? Are you mad? Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with that's not on regular editions?

Deux Ex did it. Witcher 2 did it. AC2 did it. And many more that have sold much more than CE that did not have in-game content as part of their CE relative to what they had available of them. That's fact. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 25 février 2012 - 01:45 .

[TheGoddess0fWar]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

No....The "Additional Squad Mate and Mission" was originally planned to be CE Exclusive. Everyone seems to have forgotten that.



Oh...what's that? What could that "Additional Mission and Character" be? Mind boggling.

But not designated as exclusive, unlike the rest of the DLC items offered that were designated as such.

I don't understand the problem here... At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive and then they turned around and offered it to SE for 10 bucks extra. So they shouldn't have offered it to SE buyers?

You're right. They shouldn't of offered it to SE buyers. All they do it b*tch and moan about how they have to pay for it. Because CE buyers are obviously get it for free. Lmfao.

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

Shale, Warden's Keep, Zaeed, Firewalker, Crash Site are the one's I know from the top of my head (I don't know what was in the DAII Collector's Edition, if there was one).  All missions and some included characters as companions.  Warden's Keep was sold separately at a price to SE owners.

[_symphony]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...
I'm sorry you missed out on your CE. Truly.

I never tried to buy one, and I don't want a prothean that's as irrelevant as is Vega, so I don't care much about this DLC, my problem is different and for what I see I'm afraid you won't understand it.

I'm just making a stand against this money grab tactic of BioWare, a prothean is something hard to ignore and is clearly there just for getting more money and not for the sake of story.

[heart again]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Not acceptable? Are you mad? Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with that's not on regular editions?

Deux Ex did it. Witcher 2 did it. AC2 did it. And many more that have sold much more than CE that did not have in-game content as part of their CE relative to what they had available of them. That's fact. 

Because he said so.

[GuyIncognito21]

heart again wrote...
Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I didn't know about any of this until two days ago when the uproar started.  Judging by TB's video and the immense backlash this scheme has generated, I think it's pretty safe to assume that a lot of people are in the same boat.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 25 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[DJBare]

They increased the price of the game and attempted to soften the blow by going "SE + DLC"; I mean some people are aware of inflation right?, or do you expect it to stay flat for all enternity, f*ck I don't like the price increase either, it's more money out of my pocket, but I'm not going to kid myself that prices will stay the same.

What we got here is bad marketing mixed with totalbiscuit add some people with entitlement issues and you got a sh*t storm....in a tea cup.

[Yuoaman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

heart again wrote...
Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I didn't know about any of this until two days ago when the uproar started.  Judging by TB's video and the immense backlash this scheme has generated, I think it's pretty safe to assume that a lot of people are in the same boat.

This, I always assumed that since it said nothing about being exclusive that this was going to be an incentive to buy new, along with the multiplayer portion.

But nope, that was not the case.

[Bravery1282]

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Then why did no one say a word months and months ago when the CE was announced?

Yes, I see.  I see that you know what should be in a collectors edition, and the folks who don't share your opinion have no clue........I think you just want to argue.


Also, Hearts question is very important.  Is it because this character who doesn't affect the story, happens to be a Prothean?

[jpzgoku]

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

[heart again]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

heart again wrote...
Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I didn't know about any of this until two days ago when the uproar started.  Judging by TB's video and the immense backlash this scheme has generated, I think it's pretty safe to assume that a lot of people are in the same boat.

Because they realized it's content that they may actually want.

[obie191970]

jpzgoku wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

For DAO it was Warden's Keep and for DA2 it was the Exiled Prince.  Both were $7 if you didn't purchase the CE and one was a full fledged mission and the other a mission and squad member.  So, the precedent had been set.

[ArkkAngel007]

heart again wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

Short memories forget Warden's Keep was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else.

No I remember it clearly. The same cries of "it is day one DLC so it should of been included for everyone" "its Importent lore to the game" "I shouldnt have to pay for it since those with the special editions get it for free"

What was your point?

Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

I don't remember it, but I think everyone can agree that the whining was pointless just in the same way this is about lore; it didn't affect the main game at all (aside from the tacky way they advertised it in game), just as we're being told now.

[GuyIncognito21]

Yuoaman wrote...
This, I always assumed that since it said nothing about being exclusive that this was going to be an incentive to buy new, along with the multiplayer portion.

But nope, that was not the case.

And even had I known about an "exclusive character," I would have assumed it to be something tangential like Zaeed, not something central like the Prothean question.

Why?  Because I stupidly had faith that we weren't yet at the point where game companies would part out and sell central content separately from the game.

[ZX12r Ninja]

jpzgoku wrote...

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

Why are you rehashing everything that has been discussed 100 pages back... If you're so interested go back and read.

And why do you even care about Mass Effect... you don't even own ME2 so what's it to you anyway?

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
This, I
always assumed that since it said nothing about being exclusive that
this was going to be an incentive to buy new, along with the multiplayer
portion.

But nope, that was not the case.

And
even had I known about an "exclusive character," I would have assumed
it to be something tangential like Zaeed, not something central like the
Prothean question.

Why?  Because I stupidly had faith that we
weren't yet at the point where game companies would part out and sell
central content separately from the game.

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

Modifié par ZX12r Ninja, 25 février 2012 - 01:51 .

[obie191970]

addiction21 wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

They were mostly the same arguments made back with DAO. This would be the fourth release from BioWare with day one DLC.

Seems pretty clear all the calls for boycotts and how this practice will kill BioWare have not panned out.

If it follows the previous "outrages" it will be almost dead after the release with just a few diehards keeping going but it will be the same exact back and forths.

Short memories forget Warden's Keep was included in the CE and $7 for everyone else.

No I remember it clearly. The same cries of "it is day one DLC so it should of been included for everyone" "its Importent lore to the game" "I shouldnt have to pay for it since those with the special editions get it for free"

What was your point?

I was adding to your point with the specific example.

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

Shale, Warden's Keep, Zaeed, Firewalker, Crash Site are the one's I know from the top of my head (I don't know what was in the DAII Collector's Edition, if there was one).  All missions and some included characters as companions.  Warden's Keep was sold separately at a price to SE owners.

 

Shale came with the standard edition of the game, So did Zaeed. The others were not day one DLC accept i am not sure if Warden's keep was Day one? 

[Kevin Lozandier]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Is it not a artist's job who is making something on other people's money be bought a lot? They were supposed to not outdo their previous DLC? They weren't supposed to do a proper CE for the final-game of the series? 

You're even more flawed with the if it didn't mean much to the core, don't make it. Again: They said for SOME time they would have an exclusive character and mission for the Collector's Edition. They Delivered with an AWESOME one at that. It's one of the reasons why you bought the CEin the first place (in addition to the other goodies). And you're mad that it's so good now that it's revealed that it should be in the SE period? I think that logic fails.  

The problem is that when "outdoing their previous DLC," which I'm sure we all agree is their prerogative, crosses the line into withholding content that should have been in the actual game, it goes from acceptable to unacceptable.

The makers of Madden could "outdo" their DLC by making entire teams into DLC content, but if they cut teams out of the regular game to do it then that's not OK.

DLC that complements the full experience is one thing, DLC that is necessary in order to HAVE a full experience is something else.

Full experience? Again how do you know, you haven't played the game. The Madden example is a rather poor example from someone I actually respect as far as your ability to articulate your argument. 

We know 100% that there are 32 teams in the NFL. If they take out one team in the game that's 100 certain is core, it would be a rip-off, like having to pay to play with the Super Bowl Champs of that season.

If they forced you to buy a team that is not part of the core experience and is an extra, like an All-Dream team or All-Speed them, that's entirely different and is the case here. 

If an all-madden team of the greatest players of all time (considered by fans and players) were part of the CE, it would not be wrong I believe. Needless to say, such players have unique high value to some fans (majority) and legacy influences the NFL still today. 

Therefore, I'm afraid that your latest argument about this is poor here. 

[Bravery1282]

Wardens Keep was day 1

Modifié par Bravery1282, 25 février 2012 - 01:52 .

[WizenSlinky0]

RDSFirebane wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

I don't understand the problem here... At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive and then they turned around and offered it to SE for 10 bucks extra. So they shouldn't have offered it to SE buyers?

^ pretty much all the SE guys have done is complained that it was taken *out* of their game even though they have no way to prove that what so ever and now have to pay 10 bucks for something they dont need but place value own. Just shows being nice and shareing can back fire on you.

Please avoid such broad generalizations. I have actually celebrated that I can get it $10 cheaper, because I had no intention of shelling out $20 for it (considering all of the physical stuff is basically worthless to me).

Though, I still believe DLC is in general overpriced.

[heart again]

jpzgoku wrote...

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

So is it about in game content at all or just "story" content that you blindly declare essential.  Make up your mind please.

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

Good thing the character and mission was designed to be inconsequential then, isn't it?

You want the Prothean to be meaningful based on that it's a Prothean, not on what the actual role of what the character is.  Which is a negligible one.  He does not matter in the main game.  You don't want to read the proof offered, fine.  But don't continue to back your reasoning with incorrect information.

[CommanderCoffee]

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Sims 3: In-game car.
Auto Assault: In-game remote-control car
City of Heroes: Cape and badge
City of Villains: Cape and emblem
Red Alert 3: Exclusive in-game maps for single and multiplayer
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic: Multiplayer skin, 4 singleplayer items
Drakensang 2: Personalized in-game items
Dungeon Lords: New quests, spells, heraldies, enemies
Everquest 2: In-game items like a pet baby dragon and art
Flight Simulator X: Planes and missions
Guild Wars: Divine Aura in-game thing
Guild Wars Factions: Exclusive emote
Half-Life 2: Included 2 free games
Heroes of Might and Magic V: Several in-game exclusive items
Lord of the Rings Battle for Middle-Earth 2: Exclusive in-game class 
Neverwinter Nights 2: Exclusive in-game ability
Quake 4: Quake II plus expansion packs
Star Craft II: Starcraft plus expansion, WoW pet
Star Wars Galaxies: In-game goggles
Tabula Rasa: Exclusive emotes, dyes, and pet.
Vanguard Saga of Heroes: Guild Kit, with a trophy that buffed stats for the entire guild


That's a list of in-game stuff for several PC game collector's editions. There is precedent for in-game content. Some breaks the game, like the Vanguard one, which gives people more power in an MMO.