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[_symphony]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
I don't understand the problem here... At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive and then they turned around and offered it to SE for 10 bucks extra. So they shouldn't have offered it to SE buyers?

Can you point the source of this "At first they said it was going to be CE exclusive", otherwise that's another baseless claim as the nonsense that is translating "Additional downloadable mission and character" into "exclusive downloadable mission and character".

[kingsims]

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Modifié par kingsims, 25 février 2012 - 01:55 .

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

Shale, Warden's Keep, Zaeed, Firewalker, Crash Site are the one's I know from the top of my head (I don't know what was in the DAII Collector's Edition, if there was one).  All missions and some included characters as companions.  Warden's Keep was sold separately at a price to SE owners.

 

Shale came with the standard edition of the game, So did Zaeed. The others were not day one DLC accept i am not sure if Warden's keep was Day one? 

Sorry, Firewalker was not, though was part of the Cerberus network.  The rest were day one, as well as Sebastion for DA2.  Crash Site was because, if I'm remembering correctly, it was the first N7 mission I did.

[GuyIncognito21]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

[DJBare]

kingsims wrote...

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Quoted for those who are so fuming so much they are missing it.

[ZX12r Ninja]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

Your forum badges say otherwise.

[Stealth3]

Thanks Bioware... you saved me 60$. I was going to give that to you but thanks to your marketing clowns I'll end up doing something else with that.

1) First day DLC.... No problem, go for it! If idiots are dumb enough to buy overpower **** and extra crap, that's fine, glad your taking advantage of them.
2) Taking **** from the first 2 games that is part of the lore and universe of those two games and making it a DLC is not acceptable however. Here's why:

The decision to add the prothean didn't just come out of the blue. It was a strategic marketing move to force people into paying extra for **** that should have either been out altogether or included in the original game. Why pick a subject that is so core to the lore and universe? Why not just do something random? Because otherwise people won't buy it, so you force them into buying it. Nice...you must think we are all ****ing stupid.

Most people don't play ME because of the shooting aspects, they quite suck by the way. They play and love ME because of the ME universe, lore, story, etc. So taking a part of that and making it a DLC is total bull**** and you are only screwing yourself...big time.

So you lose 60$ here....60$ more there...Hope you achieved your goal.

Probably some harvard marketing guy though of this neat idea. What a ****ing clown.

Very disappointed with this bull**** move. But like I said, all you did is just saved me 60$ which would have otherwise been yours. Way to go! And its not about those 10$, its about principle here. Should have made the game 70$ instead of using cheap tactics.

This is a disgrace to gaming. If Bioware gets away with this, it will set a dangerous precedent. What will stop other companies from purposely cutting content and reselling it as DLC on day one? Even if Bioware didn't do it on purpose like they claim, which is total bull**** by the way. Because like I said, such a big decision didn't just come out of the blue since its too important to the lore/universe/background story. Chances are, the decision to include this character was made before the ****ing story was even finished.

[_symphony]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
If the prothean character and the mission contribute something tangible to the game, it should have been included in the game from the jump.

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

This is basically my issue, one that can't be changed so I have to live with it, but shows that BioWare writing isn't improving. You cannot insert a mind blowing character like a living, breathing, protean and make it irrelevant. I don't say it should steal Shepards spotlight, but It should be relevant to Mass Effect.

[Orange Face_]

**** it I've had enough... Let's get some numbers so we can see how many people are steamed about this and how many are cool with it. Honestly I don't care either way. Months ago I decided that ME3 was the last video game I will ever buy and I've played the last two vanilla because I can't justify shelling out 10 extra bucks for an hours worth of game. But I'm interested in seeing where this goes. Sometimes good intentions that are poorly implimented blow up in your face, and sometimes slimy Marketing guys have too much pull. Either way here you go. http://social.biowar...11/polls/28769/

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

I think he assumed so because you don't have them registered on your BioWare account.

It doesn't matter though whether or not you, I, or anyone else feel that the Prothean should be important, because he isn't.  That argument doesn't hold against the DLC in any way.  If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

And it was not taken out of the main game.  It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process. 

Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost?  No.  But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.

And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple.  It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter.  What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.

Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it. 

Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.

[GuyIncognito21]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Your forum badges say otherwise.

And the logical conclusion from that is that I don't have the game?  Or that I didn't jump through whatever hoops are required on here to have little fun badges to show off?

What a weird comment.

I don't post on these forums generally.  I've never felt compelled to.  I came here because what they're trying to do to perhaps my favorite game series of all time is beyond the pale.

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.

[ArkkAngel007]

Orange Face wrote...

**** it I've had enough... Let's get some numbers so we can see how many people are steamed about this and how many are cool with it. Honestly I don't care either way. Months ago I decided that ME3 was the last video game I will ever buy and I've played the last two vanilla because I can't justify shelling out 10 extra bucks for an hours worth of game. But I'm interested in seeing where this goes. Sometimes good intentions that are poorly implimented blow up in your face, and sometimes slimy Marketing guys have too much pull. Either way here you go. http://social.biowar...11/polls/28769/

It's not a black and white issue.  While I'm good with the content of the DLC and the fact that it is DLC, I disagree with how the situation was handled.  I'm also a CE owner who will receive the DLC download code.  There's also a lot of misinformation being circulated (which is understandable, most haven't spoiled themselves).  

So that's why we are discussing it.

[Raxxman]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

Your forum badges say otherwise.

Do forum badges ever say you own ME1?

[Kevin Lozandier]

Stealth3 wrote...

Thanks Bioware... you saved me 60$. I was going to give that to you but thanks to your marketing clowns I'll end up doing something else with that.

1) First day DLC.... No problem, go for it! If idiots are dumb enough to buy overpower **** and extra crap, that's fine, glad your taking advantage of them.
2) Taking **** from the first 2 games that is part of the lore and universe of those two games and making it a DLC is not acceptable however. Here's why:

The decision to add the prothean didn't just come out of the blue. It was a strategic marketing move to force people into paying extra for **** that should have either been out altogether or included in the original game. Why pick a subject that is so core to the lore and universe? Why not just do something random? Because otherwise people won't buy it, so you force them into buying it. Nice...you must think we are all ****ing stupid.

Most people don't play ME because of the shooting aspects, they quite suck by the way. They play and love ME because of the ME universe, lore, story, etc. So taking a part of that and making it a DLC is total bull**** and you are only screwing yourself...big time.

So you lose 60$ here....60$ more there...Hope you achieved your goal.

Probably some harvard marketing guy though of this neat idea. What a ****ing clown.

Very disappointed with this bull**** move. But like I said, all you did is just saved me 60$ which would have otherwise been yours. Way to go! And its not about those 10$, its about principle here. Should have made the game 70$ instead of using cheap tactics.

This is a disgrace to gaming. If Bioware gets away with this, it will set a dangerous precedent. What will stop other companies from purposely cutting content and reselling it as DLC on day one? Even if Bioware didn't do it on purpose like they claim, which is total bull**** by the way. Because like I said, such a big decision didn't just come out of the blue since its too important to the lore/universe/background story. Chances are, the decision to include this character was made before the ****ing story was even finished.

In a nutshell, you are saying Bioware is depriving you from a fantasy you wanted to experience that is not with your Standard copy and think that it's too valuable to not be in every copy and forget about the promise they made almost a year ago to loyal fans who Pre-ordered the CE who expected meaningful additional content that is not core to the main game, but makes the experience feel sweeter being something that people who are really, really like the Universe to also get additional art work, and a comic to better quelch that need.

SMH, SMH....

[ElementL09]

EA controls the pricing, not Bioware, so if you going to blame anyone for having (I know it optional) to shell out an extra 10 bucks after purchasing ME3, blame them.

[Sevrun]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

Your forum badges say otherwise.

Are Forum badges the ulitmate in gamer ID/credibility now?  Really?
Normally I don't weigh in on silliness like this, but that's just over the top.  I don't have ANY of mine listed, in part because what I own is my business, to be revealed when and if I choose.  That doesn't make my opinion or his worth less than yours.  in short: Grow up and realize that not everyone dumps their entire universe into the online space.

[nitefyre410]

DJBare wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Quoted for those who are so fuming so much they are missing it.

or if you can  buy the game used and buy the DLC ...  so a former $60 sale  goes to a $10 sale

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.

You mean if EA couldn't charge separately for it.  BioWare has done free dlc before (Bringing Down the Sky) and I'm pretty sure they would again if that was their sole decision.

[jpzgoku]

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Are you serious?  Bioware has included in game content in the CE's since DAO.  Assassin's Creed since AC2.  i could go on and on.

Like what for DA:O? I am fimillar with that game. Cosmetics was the first step for exclusve CE content, such as New outfits or whatever. Mabye an exta, not important Item. but now they are withholding extra single player squadamate charaters and main story signle player missions. That is new and is bad if that becomes the norm. Full games now essentially are now longer $60. Me3 is $70 for the full game. Do you see?

For DAO it was Warden's Keep and for DA2 it was the Exiled Prince.  Both were $7 if you didn't purchase the CE and one was a full fledged mission and the other a mission and squad member.  So, the precedent had been set.

I am positive that is incorect. The exiled Prince came with the SE of the game. It was a code. The purpose of it was to make is so that if you borrowed the game of bought it used you were penalized because you didn' t get this content. Remember?

[ZX12r Ninja]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

Your forum badges say otherwise.

And the logical conclusion from that is that I don't have the game?  Or that I didn't jump through whatever hoops are required on here to have little fun badges to show off?

What a weird comment.

I don't post on these forums generally.  I've never felt compelled to.  I came here because what they're trying to do to perhaps my favorite game series of all time is beyond the pale.

The logical conclusion with that is that you didn't register it with your EA account which would mean either you don't have it or you have a pirated copy.

[Kevin Lozandier]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.

It's franky a controversy worth that would only get worse if they break a promise to CE owners that they will have a bonus character and mission and other incentives if they buy the CE over the SE. 

[breadedpudding]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

And it was not taken out of the main game.  It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process. 

Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost?  No.  But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.

And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple.  It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter.  What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.

Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it. 

Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.

It's a bit too late for them to add it to the game - as in the discs - if I'm understanding, because they've already shipped out. As for it being planned months ago - things can be planned months in advanced. Besides, we really have no clue when it was made, whether or not it is meaningful, so on and so forth because none of us were there when the content was created. We can speculate, of course, but until the game comes out, there's really no way to have concrete proof of what kind of role Prothy will have to the main story.

[obie191970]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

I've still yet to hear a developer come on here and say this content wouldn't exist if they weren't allowed to charge separately for it.

It would exist because the CE was advertised as having an additional character and mission.  That I'm stunned that it is as lore centric as a Prothean unfortunately isn't the point.  Their plan all along was to advertise the extra character to sell CE's for $20 more and offer it to SE buyers as day 1 DLC.