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[nightlordv]

Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's!

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"

[RiouHotaru]

 Since that one guy keeps posting that silly DLC graph, I'll keep posting this tidbit that explains the whole damn thing:

Stanley Woo wrote...
Usually, DLC is developed late in production by either a different team or by some of the original team who may not be needed for the main game anymore. Writers and some designers, for example, are most needed at the start and the middle of production, and less so at the end of a project.

Because it is a bonus and an extra, it has a slightly lower priority than the main game. The main game has to be content-locked and the game sent for certification anywhere between 2-8 weeks before the street date. If a game fails certification, whatever caused it to fail must get fixed, which means the entire thing must be tested again. The game must be certified all over again from the beginning because the game on disc has changed.

During the certification process, some folks can be working on a day 1 patch or moved to other projects (they're certainly not sitting idle). They could also be working to finish the DLC that will be made available on day 1. Because it is downloadable content, there is no physical media to manufacture and distribute, which means the DLC can be finished closer to the street date. It still has to be certified, but the process is much faster because it is a) not on physical media and much, much smaller than a full-sized game. Appearance packs and weapons are compartively smaller and simpler than story and character-based DLC, and people and effort are scheduled accordingly.

So, like a meal order in a kitchen, the team tries to schedule things so that everything is finished in time to come out together.

[V1per7]

neubourn wrote...

The people have spoken BW...

So, keep the DLC as a CE exclusive, since everyone else doesnt want to buy it anyway.

done.

you dont represent "the people".

we gamer want a fair business model and this is outright wrong.

[Draconis6666]

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

They should just remove the ability for people who didn't get the collectors edition to even buy it at all since everyone is so ungrateful that they have the ability to get it.

Lol, if they do this, im definatly canelling my preorder.

I wouldnt blame you but it seems to be what everyone is arguing about 

"How dare you charge me for something that was an incentive for other people to pay more, I demand it for free because I feel entitled to stuff. You obviously took it out of the game just so you could charge me more because I cant accept that I dont get everything I want in the main game for the cheapest price possible"

[MarchWaltz]

Man, in general I have great willpower (stick to a workout regime, eat right, not eating sweets/candy) but no way in hell I am going to test out my willpower to resist ME3.

I mean, the series is finally coming to it's conclusion, after 5 or 6 years. And, at least to me, it is the first game I have played that let me transport a shepard across all three games (I am too young for baldurs gate)

The only other game I have been this excited for the finale was for Metal Gear 4.

This is going to be epic. Which reminds me, time to do everything I have to do so all I do that weekend is play ME3.

[Eterna]

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

[Draconis6666]

nightlordv wrote...

Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's!

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"

Companies do that all the time though and its a widely accepted business practice that no one rants and raves about like little children.

[Solgineer]

If Bioware goes through with this, I hope to god they make tons of DLC after release so they can milk their mindless fanboys of their money. They really don't deserve it if they are defending a terrible practice in the gaming industry.

[Draconis6666]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Now THIS is a valid argument and the one people should be complaining about.

[Bluumberry]

Sidac wrote...

Yea, the character wont be important. I have my money on this character being a really crappily shoehorned in. Itll be the last of its kind crap that will put so many holes into the lore of the other games that it will just be out of place. The DLC might be worth it if its another race but a prothean is just a horrid idea.

/high5

I thought I was the only one who thought this Dunno why they had to poke a gigantic hole in their own lore by making it a prothean! And then the sheep are whining about it being important.

[Mendelevosa]

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

You're complete BS. Just kidding, haha. But seriously, it was completed after the main game. It's not like the Prothean has a major role in the main story anyway.

[kittehg0d]

 Hey, guys.. remember when bioware made complete games?

I sure as hell remember. I remember them making some of my favorite childhood games.

What happened to you bioware?

[streamlock]

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike


 

I'm sorry.  I have to call shenanigans on this one. 

Like-nine months ago when the cat slipped out of the bag " http://social.biowar...3/index/7551111 "
and Mr. Priestly responded with " Sorry, that was a mistake from old text. It is being removed. Hate to be a killjoy." (BTW, don't hate on him for doing that-he was just doing what he was told and did not specifically say anything other then the box/advert text was out of date technically anyway)

But I degress, the point being is that saying that developement was'nt even started until the core game was finished borderlines on, and may be blunt dishonesty.  I completly believe that it was not completed until late, maybe even after the game when into cirtification.  Putting day 1 DLC on the backburner during crunch is a no brainer.  But to expect us to believe that this.....scheme for lack af a non profane word was not a long time in planning is BS.

I know I'm in the minority in thinking the day 1 DLC deal to recover some used game sales is reasonable with no other simple solutions available.  But this is plain-I don't even have the words without sounding like a drunk sailor. 

As a disclaimer: I pre-purchased the DD version and will have access to the content.

What next- Pay a $10 dollars for the privilage to import save game data?  "Well, fans of the series will be shelling out the cash for the collectors edition anyway....."

.........I'm at a loss for words EAWare.  I always laughed at the people that used that term as raging idiots-but God Damn if it's not blatently the case. 

[Ravenmyste]

Farbautisonn wrote...

So people that order the digital CE might NOT get the Prothean. Thats actually good news.

nope we get it.

[redsox95MB]

PinkFloydMan73 wrote...

redsox95MB wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

 
http://www.change.or...f-mass-effect-3

No. What about the loyal fans who payed more for the CE under the assumption that they were getting a bonus character? Why should you get it for free when I already payed extra for it?

This shouldn't be about getting it for free, but about why they decided to sideline a character with such potential.

The extra character should be from a race less essential to the central lore. And if BioWare was doing this purely for CE fan-service, they would have given us a hanar teammate like Blasto, not a character from a race that is integrally involved in the story of the trilogy.

That's the thing. I wish the Prothean was included in the main game, because then he wouldv'e been more fleshed out and important to the central story. I wish it was someone like Blasto that was being given to CE owners for free, and everyone else had to pay extra for it.

Unless Bioware gives us CE owners a different DLC character for free, the prothean shouldn't be given to SE owners for free.

[nevar00]

RiouHotaru wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Yeah about that... bull****.

1. These guys have lied or "stretched the truth" before.

2.  You're telling me a Prothean isn't going to add enough to the lore and story of the game to warrant being on the original disc and not just DLC.  This just blows my mind.  Either the Bioware writing crew suddenly became incredibly incompetent or they're ripping people off by selling a game with a large chunk of it seperate and for another $10.

1. Again, at this point, lying serves no purpose.  Everyone is determined to hate this regardless.

2. Obviously.  Being DLC MEANS he's not critical to the plot.  He'll likely be a unique squad-member like Kasumi or Zaeed, but neither of them added significantly to the plot.

Honestly, I'm glad the Prothean won't add singificantly to the plot.  There's no reason he should.  The Protheans already did what they set out to do.  As of ME3 there's nothing one Prothean can offer that will help.  The Protheans couldn't stop the Reapers, and their last-ditch effort stopped the cycle from going through as planned (sabotaging the Keepers)

Whether or not he's hugely significant to the plot is irrelevant.  I'm sure you can and I'm glad you can beat the game without him.  However you can beat ME 1 without Wrex and Garrus, ME 2 without half your squad existing... this doesn't mean they don't count as the full story.

Had this Prothean been another Zaeed nobody would care.  It's the fact that they have something that would add so much to the lore and is such a HUGE deal in the game world to the point that it really seems as if this should have been a big deal in the first place and yet was reduced to DLC... that is the problem.

[Mich-cz]

I really don't get the purpose of this DLC - I know they want to get money and offer something big for them but single living prothean could easily make plot for whole game not just DLC. Or is this race so insignificant in other two games? The worst they could do is deny everything they build up before. Some myths should never be expained.

Heck - it's like making Andraste DLC character..

[felipejiraya]

Fix1o0 wrote...

>superb ce edition.

Hahaha. Babbies first CE because mummy gave him something extra for nice behavior.

Idiot.

I work eight hours per day exactly to have the money to buy this stuff. 

[Squallypo]

bioware is so obviously milking us, im obviously not going to be part of this dlc crap i dont get why they decide to betray us this way i mean its not just a few that gets to buy the game which cost $60 is not just some candys.

[RiouHotaru]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

[Mclouvins]

nightlordv wrote...

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"

Because they never ever do that?

[V1per7]

Solgineer wrote...

If Bioware goes through with this, I hope to god they make tons of DLC after release so they can milk their mindless fanboys of their money. They really don't deserve it if they are defending a terrible practice in the gaming industry.

i hope the same. if this goes through, all respect for bioware...GONE!

[graciegrace]

nightlordv wrote...

Tyrium wrote...

I don't get it, People on this forum drive me absolutely crazy, I don't know why I keep coming here - some kind of masochism I suppose.

From Ashes is a free bonus for the CE - what is wrong with making those of us (me included) who ordered the cheaper SE pay to have that bonus? You can argue that day 1 DLC should be in the game, but CE needs some real extra in game content to be attractive.

It's not some core integral important part of the game, it's a bonus. You're not missing some important thing by not having it! And if you feel you are, $10 and you get it. That's still cheaper than collector's!

You already get a bunch of extras for buying the CE as is, but CE should be about more asthetics or extra content such as an art book, sound track, costumes, etc. NOT about a playable squad mate and a new mission. Whether I paid 80 bucks for the CE or 60 bucks for the standard, they still got their sale, I am a paying customer that wants to play their game. One customer shouldn't be favored over the other just because they paid 20 bucks more then I did.

its like a company saying "free gift with every order...but only if you spend $100 or more!"

Gifts usually are included after a certain purchase amount, your argument doesn't make sense.

CE advertised a playable squadmate and a new mission from June of last year.  It's only now that it's become Day 1 DLC for everyone.

[Darji]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why are they making a Prothean such an unimportant character?

Because him being a Prothean doesn't make him important.  He wasn't one of the researchers on Ilos.  He didn't design Vigil, he didn't sabotage the Keepers.  He's just a soldier.

Yeah and he is one of or even the only survior of a whole race against the reaper.....