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[CommanderCoffee]

Sevrun wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

What do you know about "the Prothean question". You don't own ME2...

I'm sorry, what?  Are you hiding under my bed?  I do indeed own ME2 (and ME1) and have played through it several times.

Setting that aside, how would it be remotely relevant anyway?

Your forum badges say otherwise.

Are Forum badges the ulitmate in gamer ID/credibility now?  Really?
Normally I don't weigh in on silliness like this, but that's just over the top.  I don't have ANY of mine listed, in part because what I own is my business, to be revealed when and if I choose.  That doesn't make my opinion or his worth less than yours.  in short: Grow up and realize that not everyone dumps their entire universe into the online space.

People are dumping their entire universe into whining about a piece of DLC. I can see why he made an assumption. 

[ArkkAngel007]

nitefyre410 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Quoted for those who are so fuming so much they are missing it.

or if you can  buy the game used and buy the DLC ...  so a former $60 sale  goes to a $10 sale

No, because you are supporting the DLC and playing into EAs hand of entrapping used-game owners 

Best option is to not buy the DLC if you don't support it.

[addiction21]

Yuoaman wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

heart again wrote...
Did people wait till the last couple weeks to cry about that too?

Well I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I didn't know about any of this until two days ago when the uproar started.  Judging by TB's video and the immense backlash this scheme has generated, I think it's pretty safe to assume that a lot of people are in the same boat.

This, I always assumed that since it said nothing about being exclusive that this was going to be an incentive to buy new, along with the multiplayer portion.

But nope, that was not the case.

Well the backlash from this scheme is nothing new. Heck I expected it once they announced what their day 1 DLC would be. Mass Effect 3 is the fourth BioWare game to release like this and the "backlash" is exactly the same.

I think I am with you being upset about that incentive to purchase a new game.
EA project 10 dollar
http://kotaku.com/54...us-as-it-sounds
http://www.presstheb...nasty-turn.html

If that incentive is the online pass or accssess to multiplayer then I am unhappy. I would trade that for the Ashes DLC.

obie191970 wrote...

I was adding to your point with the specific example.

My bad then. 17 hours on a job and I get snippy.

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

I don't even see the relevance of whether it was to be CE exclusive. That would have just made the situation worse, as they would have been demanding essentially $20 (or 20 pounds for the Brits, which is outrageous in its own right) for it instead of $10.

If the prothean character and the mission contribute something tangible to the game, it should have been included in the game from the jump.

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

Welcome back.  Anyone, someone posted a Tweet from Casey Hudson that pretty much answers your question:

"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans. "

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 25 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[nitefyre410]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

*snip*

Yep  - but hindsight is always 20/20... bioware is learning that now...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[H1natachan]

Stealth3 wrote...

Thanks Bioware... you saved me 60$. I was going to give that to you but thanks to your marketing clowns I'll end up doing something else with that.

1) First day DLC.... No problem, go for it! If idiots are dumb enough to buy overpower **** and extra crap, that's fine, glad your taking advantage of them.
2) Taking **** from the first 2 games that is part of the lore and universe of those two games and making it a DLC is not acceptable however. Here's why:

The decision to add the prothean didn't just come out of the blue. It was a strategic marketing move to force people into paying extra for **** that should have either been out altogether or included in the original game. Why pick a subject that is so core to the lore and universe? Why not just do something random? Because otherwise people won't buy it, so you force them into buying it. Nice...you must think we are all ****ing stupid.

Most people don't play ME because of the shooting aspects, they quite suck by the way. They play and love ME because of the ME universe, lore, story, etc. So taking a part of that and making it a DLC is total bull**** and you are only screwing yourself...big time.

So you lose 60$ here....60$ more there...Hope you achieved your goal.

Probably some harvard marketing guy though of this neat idea. What a ****ing clown.

Very disappointed with this bull**** move. But like I said, all you did is just saved me 60$ which would have otherwise been yours. Way to go! And its not about those 10$, its about principle here. Should have made the game 70$ instead of using cheap tactics.

This is a disgrace to gaming. If Bioware gets away with this, it will set a dangerous precedent. What will stop other companies from purposely cutting content and reselling it as DLC on day one? Even if Bioware didn't do it on purpose like they claim, which is total bull**** by the way. Because like I said, such a big decision didn't just come out of the blue since its too important to the lore/universe/background story. Chances are, the decision to include this character was made before the ****ing story was even finished.

QFT .... So true :innocent:

[ebevan91]

330 pages.

Yikes.

[jpzgoku]

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Why are you rehashing everything that has been discussed 100 pages back... If you're so interested go back and read.

And why do you even care about Mass Effect... you don't even own ME2 so what's it to you anyway?

Why would i read 100 pages ago?
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Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

Modifié par jpzgoku, 25 février 2012 - 02:17 .

[GuyIncognito21]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You mean if EA couldn't charge separately for it.  BioWare has done free dlc before (Bringing Down the Sky) and I'm pretty sure they would again if that was their sole decision.

Well if a BW dev comes on here and says what you just did, I'll refocus my vitriol on EA (which is fine with me, because EA is right up there with Activision on the list of gaming evil-doers).

[_symphony]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...

The logical conclusion with that is that you didn't register it with your EA account which would mean either you don't have it or you have a pirated copy.

your logic is pretty bad.

[CommanderCoffee]

jpzgoku wrote...






Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

No. The full game is $60. The full game plus DLC is $70. DLC is entirely optional, and the game does not in any way force you to buy it. If you think it should be part of the main game, that's your concern, but the fact is that it is a separate addition to the game.

[Stealth3]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Quoted for those who are so fuming so much they are missing it.

or if you can  buy the game used and buy the DLC ...  so a former $60 sale  goes to a $10 sale

No, because you are supporting the DLC and playing into EAs hand of entrapping used-game owners 

Best option is to not buy the DLC if you don't support it.

Best option is not to buy ME3  or wait until its 10$ in the bargain bin.  They picked that DLC content for a reason, once you play the game you will go buy the DLC.  Thats what they want. 

[Dilos01]

ebevan91 wrote...

330 pages.

Yikes.

I can hardly believe it myself but...there it is.

One more week and this whole thing will be, I hope, forgotten.

...But I doubt that's going to happen.

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

Good thing the character and mission was designed to be inconsequential then, isn't it?

You want the Prothean to be meaningful based on that it's a Prothean, not on what the actual role of what the character is.  Which is a negligible one.  He does not matter in the main game.  You don't want to read the proof offered, fine.  But don't continue to back your reasoning with incorrect information.

A prothean squadmate dost not matter in the main game? Dose he do some stuff then reverse time or something so that his existence did not matter? Why would this squadmate not matter?

[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

And it was not taken out of the main game.  It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process. 

Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost?  No.  But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.

And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple.  It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter.  What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.

Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it. 

Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.

Part of the reason I know (not believe, know) is what I tried to have you look into.  Again, if you don't want to actually consider the evidence and educate yourself on the matter, then you have no place in this issue.

I'm not saying this DLC wasn't planned ahead; of course it was.  But there are reasons why it's DLC and not a part of the main game, mainly the fact that he was not in the main game and had no place in it.  Believe it or not, DLC is planned way ahead.  When the actual work takes place is up to the developers, while the price is controlled by EA.

And not purchasing the game doesn't solve the issue.  Not buying the DLC will.  No need for needless collateral damage.

[GuyIncognito21]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
The logical conclusion with that is that you didn't register it with your EA account which would mean either you don't have it or you have a pirated copy.

Huh?  Why would I register my game with EA or anyone else?  I do have it, and I don't have a modded Xbox, so it seems your logic must be faulty somewhere since it drove you to an incorrect conclusion.

And if I wanted to pirate this game, I wouldn't be on here criticizing their business model, would I.  Why?  Because the pirates don't care if you charge $70 for a full game or $700.

[Bad Sandwidge]

If the prothean squadmate doesn't matter that's almost less forgivable than charging 10 dollars for it. What kind of horrible writing would have a live prothean show up in Mass Effect and not mean a damn thing?

[_symphony]

jpzgoku wrote...

A prothean squadmate dost not matter in the main game? Dose he do some stuff then reverse time or something so that his existence did not matter? Why would this squadmate not matter?

maybe because if it mattered, EA/BioWare couldn't sell it in a DLC.

[GuyIncognito21]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

No. The full game is $60. The full game plus DLC is $70. DLC is entirely optional, and the game does not in any way force you to buy it. If you think it should be part of the main game, that's your concern, but the fact is that it is a separate addition to the game.

It's only a separate addition because Bioware says it is.  And the fact that they're saying that is the entire source of the controversy.

[Stealth3]

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

I don't even see the relevance of whether it was to be CE exclusive. That would have just made the situation worse, as they would have been demanding essentially $20 (or 20 pounds for the Brits, which is outrageous in its own right) for it instead of $10.

If the prothean character and the mission contribute something tangible to the game, it should have been included in the game from the jump.

If the prothean character and the mission don't contribute anything tangible, then they shouldn't exist at all. Give the CE people something like Zaeed and be done with it.

Welcome back.  Anyone, someone posted a Tweet from Casey Hudson that pretty much answers your question:

"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans. "

Oh thats right....the "reapers".  Well maybe they should get rid of everything else as well.  Get rid of the whole ME2 also because its ****ing useless.  Turn this whole game into crap because its all about the reapers now.  And you guys .....do you seriously believe everything Bioware ****ing tells you?  How stupid can you be?  Serious question

[RiouHotaru]

Some repost Casey's Tweet.

[obie191970]

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

kingsims wrote...

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

If enough people boycott the DLC it will go on sale for $5.

Quoted for those who are so fuming so much they are missing it.

or if you can  buy the game used and buy the DLC ...  so a former $60 sale  goes to a $10 sale

No, because you are supporting the DLC and playing into EAs hand of entrapping used-game owners 

Best option is to not buy the DLC if you don't support it.

nobody said I had to play the mutlplayer and pay the online pass to enjoy Mass Effect...
I played AC Revelations just fine and did not touch the muitiplayer... 

If that was what your were referenig to? 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 02:17 .

[kingsims]

Nope all CE users are automatically boycotting the DLC anyway because its free to them, that leaves just the SE users. If only 10,000 people buy the DLC thats only 100k directly to EA (Acutally it less because MS/Sony take a 25% Cut on DLC)

[GuyIncognito21]

Bad Sandwidge wrote...

If the prothean squadmate doesn't matter that's almost less forgivable than charging 10 dollars for it. What kind of horrible writing would have a live prothean show up in Mass Effect and not mean a damn thing?

Exactly.  The only thing worse than adding the protheans to the game only to charge extra to access them is adding them to the game, charging extra to access them, and making them pointless.