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[ArkkAngel007]

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

heart again wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...
Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

Oh and that is a complete and utter load of ****.  Tons of CE's come with in game items, be it more aesthetic or not.  Many of them stay exclusive as well.

Do you know of any other games that have withheld main or secondary characters and main single player story missions?I have not. Yes you are right i Forgot about the bonus items that do not change the story or missions or anything like that. This is the first game that I know of that has gone so far as to withold Meaningful characters and missions that matter in the main part of the game.

Good thing the character and mission was designed to be inconsequential then, isn't it?

You want the Prothean to be meaningful based on that it's a Prothean, not on what the actual role of what the character is.  Which is a negligible one.  He does not matter in the main game.  You don't want to read the proof offered, fine.  But don't continue to back your reasoning with incorrect information.

A prothean squadmate dost not matter in the main game? Dose he do some stuff then reverse time or something so that his existence did not matter? Why would this squadmate not matter?

Because that was how the game was written.  You can ask Mac or the other writers why they wrote him that way, but that's the way it is.

[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

No. The full game is $60. The full game plus DLC is $70. DLC is entirely optional, and the game does not in any way force you to buy it. If you think it should be part of the main game, that's your concern, but the fact is that it is a separate addition to the game.

It's only a separate addition because Bioware says it is.  And the fact that they're saying that is the entire source of the controversy.

It is not required at all to beat the game. It's something to lengthen the game's life span, but it is not a requirement. If it were a requirement, it would have shipped with the game. Any argument saying it's a part of the full game that was excised is either looking at a very old leaked script, or else is being too thickheaded to consider for a moment maybe, just maybe, they're being too self-centered.

[Yuoaman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Some repost Casey's Tweet.

Yet again: lack of impact on the plot does not mean lack of impact on the universe's lore.

[Mathias]

Did they say anything about the Prothean being in the game regardless of the DLC? You just need the DLC to do his actual mission and recruit him?

[heart again]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
Huh?  Why would I register my game with EA or anyone else?

To be fair you clearly did register Dragon Age.

[SouzaNZ]

_symphony wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

A prothean squadmate dost not matter in the main game? Dose he do some stuff then reverse time or something so that his existence did not matter? Why would this squadmate not matter?

maybe because if it mattered, EA/BioWare couldn't sell it in a DLC.

They could, they shouldn't but I'm willing to bet that they would. Say that ten times fast.

[_symphony]

obie191970 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

I pointed this out a couple of pages ago and no one cared to comment on it, but the price of video games has remained at $60 since 2005 or even earlier while the cost to develop games has skyrocketed.  Name me another entertainment industry where this has happened?  So game companies are going to do everything in their power to get back some of that revenue.  It sucks, but it is the way the industry is run these days.  And least until the next generation and games cost $80 to $100.

that isn't valid unless the amount of sales has remained constant since 2005, and companies don't publish those numbers do they? and lets not forget about digital distribution.

Modifié par _symphony, 25 février 2012 - 02:19 .

[heart again]

Yuoaman wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Some repost Casey's Tweet.

Yet again: lack of impact on the plot does not mean lack of impact on the universe's lore.

Yet again every dlc has had an impact on the lore.

[ZX12r Ninja]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
The logical conclusion with that is that you didn't register it with your EA account which would mean either you don't have it or you have a pirated copy.

Huh?  Why would I register my game with EA or anyone else?  I do have it, and I don't have a modded Xbox, so it seems your logic must be faulty somewhere since it drove you to an incorrect conclusion.

And if I wanted to pirate this game, I wouldn't be on here criticizing their business model, would I.  Why?  Because the pirates don't care if you charge $70 for a full game or $700.

Uuuuuumm... For you to be able to activate the game you would've had to register your box key with your EA account... So still doesn't hold water.

[GuyIncognito21]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It is not required at all to beat the game.

Again, why is that the proper standard?  Commander Shepard isn't required to beat the game.  Does that mean it would be OK for them to make people who only pay $60 play as Alenko, while people who pay $70 get Shepard added back into the story?  You can beat the game either way!

That's crap.

[jpzgoku]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...






Making assumptions? What I really care about is consumer rights and how we are allowing companies to abuse them by fragementing our games and driving up the price. The full game Now costs $60 plus $10. Why would you assume that I don't care just because I don't own the game?

No. The full game is $60. The full game plus DLC is $70. DLC is entirely optional, and the game does not in any way force you to buy it. If you think it should be part of the main game, that's your concern, but the fact is that it is a separate addition to the game.

Why is it separate from the game? Because bioware and EA decided for it to be not included for the sake of making more money. The full game, the content available on the games release date, in not $60. It is $70. $60 is most of the game minus a squadmate and missions.

[ArkkAngel007]

nitefyre410 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

*snip*

Yep  - but hindsight is always 20/20... bioware is learning that now...

Casey: Hey, this Prothean didn't work out in the script, so let's just add him as DLC for the fans?
BioMarketing: *slow clap* what do you think EA?
EA: How much can we make off of it?
Casey: Well, I was hoping we could make it free...
EA:* No gusta face*
Casey:..or not.
EA: Good 

Seems legit to me 

[CommanderCoffee]

Guddamn. There is absolutely no reasoning with people who want shiny because they can't have shiny. Whatever. Boycott the game, miss out on an experience, whatever. I'm going to go have fun with my monetary investment.

It's just a game.

[GuyIncognito21]

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Uuuuuumm... For you to be able to activate the game you would've had to register your box key with your EA account... So still doesn't hold water.

I don't recall ever having to "activate" an xbox game before.  The fact that you continue to spin these theories while I sit here looking at my copy of the game is quite entertaining, do go on.

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It is not required at all to beat the game.

Again, why is that the proper standard?  Commander Shepard isn't required to beat the game.  Does that mean it would be OK for them to make people who only pay $60 play as Alenko, while people who pay $70 get Shepard added back into the story?  You can beat the game either way!

That's crap.

That's also a fallacious argument, and not related.  Commander Shepard IS required because Commander Shepard is the protagonist, and therefore a part of the core game.  The Prothean is not.

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

It is not required at all to beat the game.

Again, why is that the proper standard?  Commander Shepard isn't required to beat the game.  Does that mean it would be OK for them to make people who only pay $60 play as Alenko, while people who pay $70 get Shepard added back into the story?  You can beat the game either way!

That's crap.

Because the game was written and designed that way.  If you think your copy is subpar without DLC, that's a personal issue.  But the fact is that the retail copy is complete as is.

[ZX12r Ninja]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ZX12r Ninja wrote...
Uuuuuumm... For you to be able to activate the game you would've had to register your box key with your EA account... So still doesn't hold water.

I don't recall ever having to "activate" an xbox game before.  The fact that you continue to spin these theories while I sit here looking at my copy of the game is quite entertaining, do go on.

Yeah if you say so... nothing was ever activated on xbox... no EA game had a box key... You don't have a pirated game.. really you don't!

[GuyIncognito21]

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Boycott the game, miss out on an experience

What's going to occur to you at some point is that those are not the only choices.

[nitefyre410]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...
 If he wasn't the DLC, he would have remained as just concept art.  

Then he should have remained concept art, and this whole controversy could have been avoided.

*snip*

Yep  - but hindsight is always 20/20... bioware is learning that now...

Casey: Hey, this Prothean didn't work out in the script, so let's just add him as DLC for the fans?
BioMarketing: *slow clap* what do you think EA?
EA: How much can we make off of it?
Casey: Well, I was hoping we could make it free...
EA:* No gusta face*
Casey:..or not.
EA: Good 

Seems legit to me 

 

[CommanderCoffee]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Boycott the game, miss out on an experience

What's going to occur to you at some point is that those are not the only choices.

Because doing the P word is so much more acceptable than legally acquiring a game or deciding to skip it. Nice job with the implication.

[_symphony]

well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.

I can see the money coming.

[ArkkAngel007]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

CommanderCoffee wrote...

Boycott the game, miss out on an experience

What's going to occur to you at some point is that those are not the only choices.

I hope you're not talking about what I think you are.  This isn't an excuse for that...oh wait, yes it is just an excuse.

Like I said, forego the DLC and just watch the youtube videos and read the Wiki if you want the lore.

[jpzgoku]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

jpzgoku wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...

I wonder if those complaining about the DLC want the Comic free as well. It isn't listed as exclusive either.

No the Comic is legitamate for the CE, it is not part of the in-game content, perfectly accepatable to make that part of the CE. The SE is just the game. What is part of the game is missions and squadmates. Actual in-game content. Taking that away from the game is fragmenting the in-game content and is not acceptable. If you want all the in-game content the game no longer costs $60. It now costs $70. This it the first time that I know of in-game content, squadmates and missions, being withheld from the full priced retail $60 Standard edition game. Every other CE ever that I know of included only out-of-game content, such as comics and other art works. That is acceptable and should be for CE editions. You see?

And it was not taken out of the main game.  It was added as DLC after certain concepts were dropped in the pre-development process. 

Do I think content should be offered on Day 1 at an additional cost?  No.  But I also know I'm not losing the whole experience of the ME3 if I don't purchase it, because ME3 is complete as is in the retail disc.

And there are plenty of games out there that withhold SP content from their games, Assassin's Creed and Arkham City to mention a couple.  It's not a practice I approve of, though I understand the reasoning, and just like in this case, it is content that does not matter.  What is different was that this was developed to be DLC, unlike the two I mentioned which were actually locked out to the player unless they had a new copy and/or unlock code.

Why would you believe that? And even if that is true, why should it cost more money?
They annouced this content months ago so they defenitally planned it. 

Content that is ready and was planned before launch should be part of the main game. The company saying that it was meant to be DLC is not justification. This content was planned and is ready but they are charging extra for it because people will buy it. We are allowing this to happen. If we stop supporting these practices, make the developers know that we will not put up with this by not purchasing their games, then they would not be able to make their games cost $60 plus an addition $10 for meaningful important in-game content.

Part of the reason I know (not believe, know) is what I tried to have you look into.  Again, if you don't want to actually consider the evidence and educate yourself on the matter, then you have no place in this issue.

I'm not saying this DLC wasn't planned ahead; of course it was.  But there are reasons why it's DLC and not a part of the main game, mainly the fact that he was not in the main game and had no place in it.  Believe it or not, DLC is planned way ahead.  When the actual work takes place is up to the developers, while the price is controlled by EA.

And not purchasing the game doesn't solve the issue.  Not buying the DLC will.  No need for needless collateral damage.

That is completley wrong. It is not in the game so that the can cahrge you extra and make more money. That is their purpose for existing. To make money.

Quit saying you know? Are you part of Bioware and EA. Are you a part of their business meetings. You can claim to know something like that, have no proof, then expect everyone to believe you. They planned to make seperate DLC to make extra money, because thats why they exist. 

[kingsims]

You could follow my choice. You win. EA loses.

Boycott the DLC, Buy the game (or Buy it second hand, EA will not get any money this way). So you can enjoy the game while not giving EA a single cent and do it legally!

A fair compromise yes?

[RiouHotaru]

_symphony wrote...

well, you only need two squadmates for beat Mass Effect, lets leave Ashley and Kaidan in the game and put Garrus, Liara, Tali and Wrex in some DLCs.

I can see the money coming.

I love these kinds of posts because it shows how the anti-DLC crowd has no concept of how DLC works.